Should I Get This Cinny ?

Just wondering what typical prices are on Cinnamon Males ? There is one Im considering buying for $125 from a breeder that I know, 2011 hatchling. Super pretty too. (either that or I can get a male & female 100% het for albino 2011's for $200 from the same guy)

Heres a pic that he sent me:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3628/cinny.jpg

I am looking to start breeding in a few years, and I thought this would be a good addition. If I were to acquire a female as well in the near future I could breed for 25% Black Balls, right? Is this a good beginner project?

I wouldnt have to spend much more money for the time being, since Im moving my girl from her 20 gal into a pvc enclosure. I would just have to invest in an incubator, a rack system, and probably another herpstat, when i decide to start breeding. This is all new to me, just iso your 2 cents ^^ Thanks guyss

Yep! It's around that price. I was going to buy a pair of Cinnamon for $275 + shipping, but then I would have to wait 2 years to breed them to make Super Cinnamon (8 Ball)..That's IF you hit the odds...Not always will you end up with a Super Cinny.

You'll also have to think about the possible kinks, time, effort, money used in feeding them for 2 years to hit the odds of a Super Cinny. Just saying....lol

I like his pattern, with cinnies the dark the better IMO. If you can get a pair of cinny het albinos for $200 total, I would have to go that route. Cinnamon albinos are one of the coolest combos around.

If you like him go for it, I personally avoid cinnamon and stick with black pastel, I like them better. A big mistake I made getting started was buying single gene males, I wish I would have purchased a few good 2 gene animals and left the singles alone

I think my intention with this cinnamon was more for pleasure than profits and making unique breeds. That can come later when I am more experienced, right? I wanted something simple to try my hand at breeding, before I go and buy some ridiculously priced morphs, just to find out I have no idea about breeding :confused: Haha, Im rambling.

In terms of eel's comment about the $200 for pair of cinny het albino. Where would I start looking for such a deal lol ? I guess I may have to resort to going online. Theres a local Reptile Expo in Ajax on Nov 6 (close to where I live), would that be a good place to start looking ? All of the breeders I know (I only know three) only seem to have the most basic single gene morphs, or the most expensive rare morphs. I think I still have a lot of researching to do :P

If your goal is supers then i would go black pastels. Better looking super and stronger gene. Cinnys have a reputation for tail kinkers and duck bills

just be careful when it comes to shows, if your for a particular something you might not find it, with those you have to keep a more open mind. i just went to one here with the intention of buying a heat pad for my BP, but instead, i actually ended up coming home with a Red tail boa lol

I just picked up a new cinnamon male. I do really like black pastels, because their combos tend to be darker, but that maroonish purple color is cinnamons is cool too. I bought mine because he has an almost complete black back and I was thinking about pewters and how that would look. Whether its hereditary or not, who knows? Its going to be one of my first projects though. I say, if you can find a project for him, if that's the route you want to take, do it. Its not that much money at all and he could make you some cool snakes. :gj:

Personally, I'd make an offer on the trio!

That is a really nice Cinny! I preffer Cinnamons over Black Pastels, but there are instances with duckbilling in some Supers. However, as far as I know, duckbilling does not harm the snake and lives just fine with it. If you are in it for the experience, then I doubt having to discount the price for "deformed" animals wouldn't bother you.

Kinks on the other hand can be ugly, but that can happen with any morph. I have only seen a few instances where Super Cinnamons were involved.

I'll most likely be vending at the November Expo if I don't sell out by then, maybe I'll to see you there. :)

I'd go with whatever you think is the best idea. There isn't really a right or wrong way to do it. However, if you are just getting into breeding and are buying hatchlings I would buy females first. They take longer to get up to weight and males (for the most part) are easier to buy when close to breeding weight. Just something to think about.

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Originally Posted by mschmied

I'd go with whatever you think is the best idea. There isn't really a right or wrong way to do it. However, if you are just getting into breeding and are buying hatchlings I would buy females first. They take longer to get up to weight and males (for the most part) are easier to buy when close to breeding weight. Just something to think about.

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Hmm makes enough sense to get a female first I guess. My normal girl is 3 years old right now but shes extremely small for her age. I dont have a food scale yet, but shes only about 31 inches long. Will she ever be able to reach the correct size to breed ? She has to be at least 1500 grams right ?

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Originally Posted by Sarin

That is a really nice Cinny! I preffer Cinnamons over Black Pastels, but there are instances with duckbilling in some Supers. However, as far as I know, duckbilling does not harm the snake and lives just fine with it. If you are in it for the experience, then I doubt having to discount the price for "deformed" animals wouldn't bother you.

Kinks on the other hand can be ugly, but that can happen with any morph. I have only seen a few instances where Super Cinnamons were involved.

I'll most likely be vending at the November Expo if I don't sell out by then, maybe I'll to see you there. :)

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I'll keep an eye out for you! Im definitely going, whether I buy a bp before that or not. Nice to finally meet someone from ontario here! :)

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Originally Posted by Reakt20

Personally, I'd make an offer on the trio!

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Haha, trust me, If i could afford supporting all 4 of them I would! I think Im addicted.. is this normal ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mattchibi

Hmm makes enough sense to get a female first I guess. My normal girl is 3 years old right now but shes extremely small for her age. I dont have a food scale yet, but shes only about 31 inches long. Will she ever be able to reach the correct size to breed ? She has to be at least 1500 grams right ?



I'll keep an eye out for you! Im definitely going, whether I buy a bp before that or not. Nice to finally meet someone from ontario here! :)



Haha, trust me, If i could afford supporting all 4 of them I would! I think Im addicted.. is this normal ? :rolleyes:

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very normal haha. it seems I'm buying a new ball python every couple months now trying to buy pieces to projects and get them completed ;)

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

If you like him go for it, I personally avoid cinnamon and stick with black pastel, I like them better. A big mistake I made getting started was buying single gene males, I wish I would have purchased a few good 2 gene animals and left the singles alone

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+1 on that man