how to get ball pythons to lock up

So this is my first year breeding and I have a pastel X spider and a het pied X het pied. The pastel X spider pair are both younger, spider is 2010 800 gram male, and the pastel is 2009 1250 gram female, and they are locking up like crazy. However my het pieds haven't locked up yet.

The male het is 2008 950 grams the female is 2008 1350 grams. What are some things I can do to get them to lock up? I have a normal male thats about to shed and I've heard you can like put the shed in the females cage so the male like gets jealous? What else can I do to get these guys going? I was trying to get the sperm plugs out of the male normal to put in the female like ralph davis does but didn't have any luck getting them out.

Any tips, advice, or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. thanks guys

im not sure if this works for bp's but it does for scrubs, take away the hot spot so the entire enclosure is one temperature, hot spots are known to completly distract males while females stay at the cold end, therefore they never breed. other than that maybe just wait it out? if snakes dont want to breed, they wont, and if they do, they will, so i imagine that more time is your best bet.

that or you can duct-tape their cloaca's together lol, they'll figure it out eventually, right?

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Originally Posted by cmack91

im not sure if this works for bp's but it does for scrubs, take away the hot spot so the entire enclosure is one temperature, hot spots are known to completly distract males while females stay at the cold end, therefore they never breed. other than that maybe just wait it out? if snakes dont want to breed, they wont, and if they do, they will, so i imagine that more time is your best bet.

that or you can duct-tape their cloaca's together lol, they'll figure it out eventually, right?

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I agree did you do a cool down?
I know some people have luck with cool downs and some people dont use the method and are just fine.
I wont go into detail about cool downs im assuming you know about it. But just let us know if you need info on it.

Im in my first year as well and pairing will start for me on the 1st after a month of cool down.

I also think your pastel female is too young for breeding. IMO 3 years of age min no exceptions. Just because they CAN breed at 2 doesnt mean they SHOULD. They just dont reach full sexual maturity until 3 years of age. By waiting you reduce the risk of losing your female to egg binding. But this is just my 2 cents.

Good luck with those locks!

I didn't cool down because my room stays at around 70 degrees during the day and drops into the 65 range at night so I leave a heat spot at 93 for these guys since the room is so cold

Another good trick is to mist them with water from a spray bottle. This seems to turn things up a little. It gets the pharamones going.

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Originally Posted by cmack91

that or you can duct-tape their cloaca's together lol, they'll figure it out eventually, right?

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Awesome... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

A little love music won't hurt any either....

if they are ready they will go. If you had another female you could put the 2 females an male together and hell lock up with one of them. I use this trick when i get a picky girl and it seems to work about 80 percent of the time. But if she feels shes not ready she will not breed and or produce eggs for ya.

some will put another males\females shed in the tub with the pair there trying to breed,some will rub another males sperm plugs onto the females back to make the other male jealous.

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Originally Posted by bigmike

A little love music won't hurt any either....

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Play some Barry Whitesnake.

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Originally Posted by benwallage9

The male het is 2008 950 grams the female is 2008 1350 grams. What are some things I can do to get them to lock up? I have a normal male thats about to shed and I've heard you can like put the shed in the females cage so the male like gets jealous? What else can I do to get these guys going?

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First of all deep breath. :P

Not seeing locks this early isn't uncommon. Keep pairing them up..there are animals that take months or even years before they breed in captivity. Be patient and know that while a 1350 3 year old female can breed doesn't mean she will.. I have heard of females taking 4-5 years (i have one) before they breed..

Best of luck.

its early dont worry about it. the more you stree and mess with things the less likely you are at having success.
patience
adam jeffery

Marvin Gaye always does the trick.

Try misting them. "Rain" can make em frisky...Also, try pairing when there's a rainstorm moving through. Barometric changes are stimulating. Mmmmmmm

I agree with patience, breeding can take 6 months before anything happens.

Barry White?
Marvin Gay?

My snakes prefer some Disturbed or System of a down, get em revved a bit :banana:

Its still pretty early, none of mine have been locking yet, but I'm not pairing them very often since its so early. Give it some time!

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Originally Posted by snakesrkewl

i agree with patience, breeding can take 6 months before anything happens.

Barry white?
Marvin gay?

my snakes prefer some disturbed or system of a down, get em revved a bit :banana:

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lol

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Marvin Gaye always does the trick.

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Lets get it on. lol:D

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Originally Posted by benwallage9

So this is my first year breeding and I have a pastel X spider and a het pied X het pied. The pastel X spider pair are both younger, spider is 2010 800 gram male, and the pastel is 2009 1250 gram female, and they are locking up like crazy. However my het pieds haven't locked up yet.

The male het is 2008 950 grams the female is 2008 1350 grams. What are some things I can do to get them to lock up? I have a normal male thats about to shed and I've heard you can like put the shed in the females cage so the male like gets jealous? What else can I do to get these guys going? I was trying to get the sperm plugs out of the male normal to put in the female like ralph davis does but didn't have any luck getting them out.

Any tips, advice, or suggestion would be greatly appreciated. thanks guys

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There is no real answer for this one, snakes make up their own minds. They either want to or they don't. There are things you can do to maybe pursuade them a lil more but if they don't wanna, don't stress it will happen eventually.
On another note, I don't breed my females under 1500 grams thats just my own personal something I'm going to stick with, after the flop breeding that happened last year. I do believe it was because she was immature under the 1500 gram weight. She absorbed instead of producing. I did everything dropped the temps, power fed her, blah blah blah. She locked, she did the build, blah blah blah, pre shed blah blah. Absorbed them, to immature her body wasn't ready I believe she was too immature
I have 2 breeding projects going this season, the female i just spoke about well over the 1500 gram mark, and a 12 yr old female. Now the first female I dropped the temps did the power feeding and all the normal stuff and within 15 minutes had her and my male spider in lock for 2 days then in locks on and off for 2 solid weeks. Now she's in shed and he's uninterested and she doesn't even know he's there. After she sheds he's going back in with her and we will see what happens.
My other project with this 12 yr old normal, that I want to prove out she's rather strange looking, I didn't do any preps with her, I said hmm and dropped this same male spider in with her, in 5 minutes they were in lock for 2 1/2 days, and the same with locks on and off for 2 weeks, and now she is ginormous. So as far as the male keep him away from heat because he will go there instead of being with the female, um my male didn't even know there was a warm side in the tub :)
So relax, it will all fall together eventually, Good luck!