Twins? Different dads?

In a who's your daddy clutch could twins have different fathers?

I just found this. My eggs were getting tuff, so I cut the holes bigger.

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...h/img_2015.jpg

Both seem weak, and I don't think they will make it, but it got me thinking. Has anyone ever produced twins that were proven to be from different fathers?

Thanks,
Steph

Hm, I suppose it could happen but will need to know more about your pairings first.

Also, don't be so sure they won't make it as tons of twins do make it. Just give them more time, keep them hydrated, and watch em closely. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Jessica Loesch

Hm, I suppose it could happen but will need to know more about your pairings first.

Also, don't be so sure they won't make it as tons of twins do make it. Just give them more time, keep them hydrated, and watch em closely. Good luck!

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Thanks for the encouragement:)
The pairing was my Het Albino girl to a Spider ph ghost and 66% ph Albino pied. I would not be able to tell unless the normal made it and I bred it down the road.

A clutch can have two sires, but eggs only one. What you see is an egg in which one baby got the spider gene and the other did not. I've seen eggs with one albino and one normal. Congrats and good luck.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Osborne

A clutch can have two sires, but eggs only one. What you see is an egg in which one baby got the spider gene and the other did not. I've seen eggs with one albino and one normal. Congrats and good luck.

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Thanks Brandon! This is my first egg with twins and it really confused me:confused:

Why wouldn't they make it? They look fine to me. How would you know they are weak if they are in the egg still? They will come out when ready just don't bother them or try to coax them out too soon. They will be small and if they both make it, will need some tlc but they look good from here.

I agree with the above.,

Also thanks to brandon as I was certain it wasnt possible but you never know since they are fraternal; I was a bit unsure.

Oh wow that is too cool! Congrats and good luck with them!

Congrats on the twins :), wonder if the norm het will have a complex :P

Thanks everyone! I'm a little paranoid because I had a baby die in the egg in my last clutch during the last few days after I cut. That's probably why I cut everyone a bigger hole. There on day 58, so they should be out soon. I thought they were both dead because they would not move. I think they were just a little shocked to see daylight. I have seen them both move since, so there is still hope. They are going to need lots of care because the average weight of these eggs were 72.25 grams. They are going to be tiny. It was their moms 1st clutch and she laid 8 eggs! She was only 1200 grams when she locked for the first time.

They are fraternal twins meaning there were TWO eggs inside ONE shell. Each baby was fertilized individually which means they COULD have different fathers. If the babies were identical twins, they could only have ONE father because there was only ONE egg inside ONE shell.

Congrats on the twins, and don't give up on them yet! :)

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Originally Posted by Ladybugzcrunch

They are fraternal twins meaning there were TWO eggs inside ONE shell. Each baby was fertilized individually which means they COULD have different fathers. If the babies were identical twins, they could only have ONE father because there was only ONE egg inside ONE shell.

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see that's what I was not sure on. So...

What confuses me here is that I was under the impression that in-egg twins only occurred from an identical twinning. neat stuff.

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Originally Posted by koloo921

Thanks everyone! I'm a little paranoid because I had a baby die in the egg in my last clutch during the last few days after I cut. That's probably why I cut everyone a bigger hole. There on day 58, so they should be out soon. I thought they were both dead because they would not move. I think they were just a little shocked to see daylight. I have seen them both move since, so there is still hope. They are going to need lots of care because the average weight of these eggs were 72.25 grams. They are going to be tiny. It was their moms 1st clutch and she laid 8 eggs! She was only 1200 grams when she locked for the first time.

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I once had a ball python clutch with two eggs with twins. All four were very small when they first hatched, but all did just as well as their other clutch-mates.

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Originally Posted by Ladybugzcrunch

They are fraternal twins meaning there were TWO eggs inside ONE shell. Each baby was fertilized individually which means they COULD have different fathers. If the babies were identical twins, they could only have ONE father because there was only ONE egg inside ONE shell.

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This.

To say it another way, they are different morphs, so you know that there must have been two separate fertilization events. So, I think it's entirely possible that two different fathers could have sired them. (I don't know that they did, in this case, but if you bred two males to the same dam it should be theoretically possible.)

Thanks everyone for the input:) They are doing good so far! They both have their heads pointed up. I hope that they will be sticking them out soon! I'm wondering now if they will be the same sex.

It should not be long now:D

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...h/img_2019.jpg

woop woop its twins lets hope you get a boy and girl :P

They are still not out, but i could not resist posting this pic!

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...h/img_2045.jpg

There is one spider and one normal which means that even if there was only one dad the event could still be possible. One egg could have gotten the spider mutation and the other egg not. W/E happened its very exiting to see these events take place under our care. That last picture is priceless!

I believe twins can have different dads. I don't think people have proof but it doesn't mean it's not possible if you think about it.

They are finally out! Both are boys.

Normal (26 grams)

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...hGnP50Aft1.jpg

Spider (21 grams) Top view

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...SphG50Aft1.jpg

Side view

http://www.dailybulldogs.com/message...hG50Aft1_1.jpg

I really like his reduced pattern. He is 50% het Albino and possible het ghost. If I have room, I might hold onto him to breed back to his mother.

WOW!
Love the spider
hope they do well for you

They are cuties!!