Another breeding weight question

Would you expect a well feeding (rats) 800g female to go next season? Assuming of course she stays on track feeding wise.

It's next season already... do you mean the fall/winter of 2012? She'll probably be big enough by then.

BP's have a season?

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Originally Posted by Clear

BP's have a season?

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I'd say you could ;)

Feeding frequently (small rats every 5 days) Should bump her up to weight and she Should be ready for January/February breeding... Of course You need to remember about her being minimum two years old.. Weigh is not everything.. sexual maturity play it's role here as well :gj:

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Originally Posted by Clear

BP's have a season?

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haha "technically" its the late fall/winter nov-feb ish but nobody i knows follows that.. its just whenever they will go. you can breed them year round

Yeah if the snake is not ready power feeding is not really worth the risk. Best to aim for another year and get her to 1500 plus, then reap the rewards of a better clutch.

Weight means nothing at all. If female is 2000g at 1 year old dont mean they will take.

If they take then it means they are ready. Period. I have females at 800g and 1000g that will go this year no problems. If they take then they were ready

I'm also wondering if you mean next breeding season as in fall 2012.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Weight means nothing at all. If female is 2000g at 1 year old dont mean they will take.

If they take then it means they are ready. Period. I have females at 800g and 1000g that will go this year no problems. If they take then they were ready

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I thought the minimum for females was suppose to be 1200g?

There is no minimum weight written in stone, 1200 grams is simply the most widely accepted minimum weight for female. Remember, females can breed at lower weights, however you increase your chances of slugs, smaller clutches and even ending up with an egg bound female. It's best to follow the best practices and breed females with enough size to support eggs, some clutches can weigh as much as 600+ grams can your female afford to loose that much weight?

I would say take your time and get her up to weight, you can try early next "season".

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

There is no minimum weight written in stone, 1200 grams is simply the most widely accepted minimum weight for female. Remember, females can breed at lower weights, however you increase your chances of slugs, smaller clutches and even ending up with an egg bound female. It's best to follow the best practices and breed females with enough size to support eggs, some clutches can weigh as much as 600+ grams can your female afford to loose that much weight?

I would say take your time and get her up to weight, you can try early next "season".

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In bold is the most misconstrued rumor ever put out. Females of ANY age and ANY size sill trow slugs and or become egg bound. No one really knows why females slug out. Was it heat/cool related, health genetics and so on.

Most females that are egg bound ive seen are either too LEAN for their length, not best feeders even though of what some say are PROPER weight. Or poor genetics, this i cant verify but egg binding isnt a common occurrence so hard to fully say genetics play a role. But i would say its there for a reason.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

In bold is the most misconstrued rumor ever put out. Females of ANY age and ANY size sill trow slugs and or become egg bound. No one really knows why females slug out. Was it heat/cool related, health genetics and so on.

Most females that are egg bound ive seen are either too LEAN for their length, not best feeders even though of what some say are PROPER weight. Or poor genetics, this i cant verify but egg binding isnt a common occurrence so hard to fully say genetics play a role. But i would say its there for a reason.

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And where did I not say ANY female could not be egg bound, throw slugs, etc? I simply stated the exact thing you later qualified.

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Most females that are egg bound ive seen are either too LEAN for their length

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You can argue your point but please don't put words in my mouth.

Meant to quote your entire post but failed on my phone. We all know you can breed smaller females, that's great, should we breed females at 800 grams because you have? No. Every female is different, immature and under weight female CAN face complications..

You're free to have your own opinions and experiences. This is not an attack nor a basis for an argument, I'm simply expressing my point.

Your putting words in your own mouth. Im stating in my years of WHAT I HAVE SEEN.

And where the HELL did i say i breed females at 800g.:colbert::colbert:

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

And where did I not say ANY female could not be egg bound, throw slugs, etc? I simply stated the exact thing you later qualified.



You can argue your point but please don't put words in my mouth.

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You stated females that are small are more prone to it which is FALSE.

In my original reply I gave my advice, I wait till my females are 1500g, have hatched 87 royals this year, and had 9 slugs, two of those in a ten egg clutch. I would not try to lock a 800g gram female, because I would not risk the health of one of my pets, this is still a hobby to me and my breeders are still my pets. If you want to breed at 800g then that's up to you, but please don't tell me it's good advice that should be offered in this forum.

Again where the HELL is this 800g breeding females coming from. Never did I or anyone in this thread state to breed 800g females.

Rich,

I apologize, I misread your original post, no need to get all wound up, I see now you stated you have an 800 gram female who WILL be ready to go. I hope you can accept my apology. However, to the original poster, I still stand by my statements.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Weight means nothing at all. If female is 2000g at 1 year old dont mean they will take.

If they take then it means they are ready. Period. I have females at 800g and 1000g that will go this year no problems. If they take then they were ready

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Hey I'm not trying to say anything or take sides I'm just showing you where he is getting that from. I don't have any experience breeding this will be my first year and I found this post very informative. Thanks for helping the newbies out you guys made alot of good points

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Originally Posted by fredanthony

Rich,

I apologize, I misread your original post, no need to get all wound up, I see now you stated you have an 800 gram female who WILL be ready to go. I hope you can accept my apology. However, to the original poster, I still stand by my statements.

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Me too, I have just reread and now see the same thing, she will be ready and not that you would breed her at 800g, my appologies mate.

Thanks for the replies guys. This particular snake is an early 2010 model. I was thinking next fall (2012) as "season". I would also like her to be at least 1500 grams if not heavier. She has been taking a 50-70 gram rat every five days pretty consistently and gained 150 grams this past month. She hates to be handled though so I leave her be. She is super fast for a bp also. She is a spider and has a moderate wobble when I handle her and while feeding but no other time. The male I want to pair her with is about the same size and is my garbage can man and eats all the left overs :) This is my largest female and really am excited to see my first bp eggies.

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Originally Posted by Ladybugzcrunch

Thanks for the replies guys. This particular snake is an early 2010 model. I was thinking next fall (2012) as "season". I would also like her to be at least 1500 grams if not heavier. She has been taking a 50-70 gram rat every five days pretty consistently and gained 150 grams this past month. She hates to be handled though so I leave her be. She is super fast for a bp also. She is a spider and has a moderate wobble when I handle her and while feeding but no other time. The male I want to pair her with is about the same size and is my garbage can man and eats all the left overs :) This is my largest female and really am excited to see my first bp eggies.

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With Breeding right around corner for some, Most including myself are moving females feeding to every 3 days to bulk them for winter before they go on their fast once they ovulate.

The male i would yield caution to feeding him the leftovers. Fat large males i notice are lazy breeders. This time of year males here are fed once every 10 days from their regular 7 day schedule.

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Originally Posted by Aes_Sidhe

Feeding frequently (small rats every 5 days) Should bump her up to weight and she Should be ready for January/February breeding... Of course You need to remember about her being minimum two years old.. Weigh is not everything.. sexual maturity play it's role here as well :gj:

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There is A 2 year rule? Or is this just a preference? I have a female who is a August 2010. She is growing like a weed. I am gonna wait till she hits 1400 grams before pairing her up. I think she will hit there by new years and wont be 2 years. Is that bad?

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

With Breeding right around corner for some, Most including myself are moving females feeding to every 3 days to bulk them for winter before they go on their fast once they ovulate.

The male i would yield caution to feeding him the leftovers. Fat large males i notice are lazy breeders. This time of year males here are fed once every 10 days from their regular 7 day schedule.

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Hmmmm, something to think about there. However, this male is not fat and is not lazy. He would try to kill me if I did not feed him for 10 days lol. At 4 days he is pacing the tub and when the rats come out he goes bonkers lol. Do you have your males and females in different rooms? How can I feed only the females and watch the males pace?

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Originally Posted by Lopezxx2

There is A 2 year rule? Or is this just a preference? I have a female who is a August 2010. She is growing like a weed. I am gonna wait till she hits 1400 grams before pairing her up. I think she will hit there by new years and wont be 2 years. Is that bad?

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No its not bad, if female becomes gravid then she was sexually mature and ready.

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Originally Posted by Ladybugzcrunch

Hmmmm, something to think about there. However, this male is not fat and is not lazy. He would try to kill me if I did not feed him for 10 days lol. At 4 days he is pacing the tub and when the rats come out he goes bonkers lol. Do you have your males and females in different rooms? How can I feed only the females and watch the males pace?

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Snakes can go months without food. Just need to ignore them as they are opportunistic feeders. They smell food they want it whether their hungry or not.

I have few males that will pace right after eating and some that will pace while im feeding the females. Every 10 days is perfectly fine for males.

I have to agree with rich on the weights. Do you honestly believe a large breeder will wait an extra year if they have a lot of money tied up into a female? I doubt it!

this year proved alot for me i breed any girl that was above 1200g.... not thinking they would all lay i had girls that where 1200g lay 6 good eggs... big eggs.... then i have my 2000g het albino lay 4 big eggs.... had a proven spider (1800g) lay all slugs..... every one has there own ideas on breeding.... nothing set in stone i agree with rich 100%