What to do????

I am trying to decide which male to keep as a breeder based on their color.
So far I have a solid white female and 3 males, 1 solid black, 1 solid white, and 1 white with a brown stripe down his back.

I really want to keep the solid black and find a black female.
So I am trying to decide to between the white and the white/brown. Which of these two should I keep?


Although they are feeders some cool looking offspring would be awesome!

Stripey boy sounds prettier and more interesting to look at.

what ever you prefer its all food anyways like you said.... i prefer black rats myself

Personally I'd go with the brown/white boy (which sounds like you may be describing an Agouti Hooded, if I'm picturing it right).

Solid black. If you plan to breed for flashy rats take into consideration that mega-colon has been connected to rats with high amounts of white in their coat. Breeding a solid black line will allow you to avoid that. :P

If you want more factors for your decisions try finding out if your rats are agouti or black based.
http://www.raffinhouse.com/basic_genetics.htm

Agouti and black are both genes found on the a locus. If you want black rats, breed the black and agouti, because you will get more black and agouti. The solid white one, if it is albino, may also be hiding black or agouti (likely if the parents were either of those colours) so you may also breed that one, depending like i said, on the parents. :)

Thanks everyone! And even though they are snake food its still cool to watch them and learn about them.

I took a few pictures of them tonight.


Males I want to keep

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...s/P7300527.jpg

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...s/P7300537.jpg

and the female that may be pregnant. I have to keep an eye on her and her weight.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...s/P7300534.jpg

Im hoping that this one is a female

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...s/P7300544.jpg

and this is all of them in their dirty cage till tomorrow night or monday

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...s/P7300548.jpg

Solution, keep both males. Unless you are planning on doing a harem style breeding, the other male will need a friend while he's waiting on the ladies to be ready again. Even if you are doing a harem style breeding, keeping both males is a good idea for genetic diversity.

First male is a Beige Hooded, second is an Agouti (appears to be Irish or Irish/English marked).

Female is a Pink Eyed Albino, next female is an Agouti Hooded.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Female is a Pink Eyed Albino

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All albinos are pink eyed :P

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

All albinos are pink eyed :P

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Duh.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

Duh.

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Just saying it doesn't make sense to qualify albino with pink eyed.
It's also possible it's not an albino.

to be more accurate, it should be called a pink eyed white.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Just saying it doesn't make sense to qualify albino with pink eyed.
It's also possible it's not an albino.

to be more accurate, it should be called a pink eyed white.

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Doesn't it make more sense to describe to someone who doesn't know much about the genetics what the animal ACTUALLY is. It is a Pink Eyed Albino. I usually call them "PEW", but with someone who has no idea about rat genetics, you think that means anything to them? I've seen them called Pink Eyed White, Pink Eyed Albinos and just plain old Albinos.

I'm not seeing where you are correcting anything. It seems to me like you are just rephrasing things.

FYI, for all you know, the rat in question might be a creamy beige according to your own thought process. So, calling it a PEW might also be incorrect. Who knows how much of the color is being washed out by the camera. Without seeing a genetic pedigree, all of the "What is this color?" answers are just very educated guesses (to a few of the "rat people" on this forum).

That being said, I see no additional modifiers on the animal in question. It's an albino.

It doesn't make sense to say 'pink eyed albino' in any situation, is my point.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

It doesn't make sense to say 'pink eyed albino' in any situation, is my point.

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It's honestly not worth debating. A Pink Eyed White Rat is indeed a Pink Eyed Albino. There is NO difference, because in fact a Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino with Pink Eyes. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

It's honestly not worth debating. A Pink Eyed White Rat is indeed a Pink Eyed Albino. There is NO difference, because in fact a Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino with Pink Eyes. :rolleyes:

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No. . .
A pink eyed white rat is a rat whose phenotype shows a white rat with pink eyes. This can be caused by more than just the c/c gene combination.


An albino, is c/c and will ALWAYS be pink eyed, and white. Therefore there is no reason to call an albino a 'pink eyed albino' since there are no other types of albinos.


Albinos are always PEW, but PEW are not always albino.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

No. . .
A pink eyed white rat is a rat whose phenotype shows a white rat with pink eyes. This can be caused by more than just the c/c gene combination.


An albino, is c/c and will ALWAYS be pink eyed, and white. Therefore there is no reason to call an albino a 'pink eyed albino' since there are no other types of albinos.


Albinos are always PEW, but PEW are not always albino.

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You are seriously debating with yourself at this point, it's getting humorous. You've just debated yourself on both sides of an issue. First saying that the correct term is PEW and then saying, "but they aren't always albinos". lol

I will acknowledge there is only one type of albino. It's an Albino with Pink Eyes, or as they are more commonly referred to Albinos or PEW.

I'm done, but please carry on with the debate yourself. It seems you don't need another individual to be present, you've got both sides of the issue covered. :)

You're obviously not reading what I'm saying. :confused:

Let me try again.
Albinos are always PEW.
PEW is NOT always albino.

Does this make sense to you at all?
All squares are rectangles.
Not all rectangles are squares.

Do you get it at all? :(

When you don't know what gene causes the animal to have a phenotype of PEW, then you just call it a PEW. If you -know- the animal is PEW because it has c/c in it's genotype, it is albino.

A white rat with pink eyes is not always an albino.
I don't know what part of this you're not understanding, or listening to, but please clarify what you're missing?

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

You're obviously not reading what I'm saying. :confused:

Let me try again.
Albinos are always PEW.
PEW is NOT always albino.

Does this make sense to you at all?
All squares are rectangles.
Not all rectangles are squares.

Do you get it at all? :(

When you don't know what gene causes the animal to have a phenotype of PEW, then you just call it a PEW. If you -know- the animal is PEW because it has c/c in it's genotype, it is albino.

A white rat with pink eyes is not always an albino.
I don't know what part of this you're not understanding, or listening to, but please clarify what you're missing?

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Lol. And to that I say, learn to read. For the past however many post you've been attempting to gain attention to yourself, I've said the same thing over and over. We aren't actually disagreeing, you are deluding yourself into thinking I am disagreeing with you. But, continue arguing with yourself. You've really shown your true colors to most of this forum within the past few weeks.

For clarities sake, yes. All Albinos are Pink Eyed (Thus making them Pink Eyed Albinos, because they are Albinos with Pink Eyes). Not all White APPEARING Pink Eyed Rats are Albinos (which was never a point I was arguing, this is one you were fighting with yourself). You've won the battle of word manipulation, want a cookie?

To the OP, sorry your thread is being hijacked. It's extremely inconsiderate. I hope some of the previous posts helped you.

Turning it on me? You said yourself that albinos and PEWs are the same thing, and that's what I'm arguing against.

Albinos with pink eyes are not pink eyed albinos. . . since all albinos are pink. My point on that is, that calling them pink eyed albinos is completely useless, and confusing, and doesn't help anyone. :cool:

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Turning it on me? You said yourself that albinos and PEWs are the same thing, and that's what I'm arguing against.

Albinos with pink eyes are not pink eyed albinos. . . since all albinos are pink. My point on that is, that calling them pink eyed albinos is completely useless, and confusing, and doesn't help anyone. :cool:

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I said A "PEW" is what I usually call them. And that a Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino. Yes, I said these things, because they are true. A Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino. Can a Pink Eyed White Rat carry other genetics and not be considered an Albino? Yep. I actually have one in my colony that's outward appearance is a PEW, yet it is a dilution of Pearl. Thus making it a Rat that appears White with Pink Eyes yet it's not an Albino. :O

You've taken an entire page thread to add more confusion to something that wasn't originally stated in the way to cause any confusion.:rolleyes:

You're repeating something that's incorrect. . . A PEW rat is not necessarily albino.
An albino can be, underneath the albino, any colour, but it is still an albino. It doesn't matter what colours it carries.

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I think the main problem here, is your misuse of terminology.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

All Albinos are Pink Eyed (Thus making them Pink Eyed Albinos, because they are Albinos with Pink Eyes). Not all White APPEARING Pink Eyed Rats are Albinos

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

A Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino. Can a Pink Eyed White Rat carry other genetics and not be considered an Albino? Yep.

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Learn. To. Read.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

There is NO difference, because in fact a Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino with Pink Eyes. :rolleyes:

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:cool:

Make mine pink eyed blue :P

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/PICT3822.jpg

Throw the white one to a snake then it can be a POO instead of a PEA or a PEW

I personally like color and head markings in all my breeders so I don't ever keep totally white rats I would say keep the one that gets to your hand first and let fate choose

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Lol Krmn! :D

good thing I have my albino blue rat to play with :rofl:
food my :b0x0rz:

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Originally Posted by krmn22

Throw the white one to a snake then it can be a POO instead of a PEA or a PEW

Sent from my DROIDX

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:D

Is everyone is debating now??? lol Thanks for all the replies

After reading replies and doing some research online it's hard to figure it all out! Guess I will just try to keep cool colors before the snakes hug them.

The only solid white I have left is a female that should be pregnant by the brown hood since I seen them getting frisky over the past few days.

Hoping to find some females at the Hamburg show this weekend.

I have a tank waiting for the female when she starts to bulge or 14 days or so. Can you place two females say one that is nursing and one that is about to drop in the same tank or even two nursing moms?

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I have a tank waiting for the female when she starts to bulge or 14 days or so. Can you place two females say one that is nursing and one that is about to drop in the same tank or even two nursing moms?

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As long as they have been in together for a while. If you take two females that are "strangers" and pop them in together, you might have fighting between the females. If they've been in together and made "buddies" they will usually do just fine raising the litters together. Just watch out for one female hoarding the babies and if a problem does occur, split the females up.

That being said, I prefer one nursing female per tub. They seem to do a better job.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

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:giggle: You are once again manipulating words. This does not win a debate or prove your point, it makes you seem like you are grasping onto an argument for attention purposes (or just so you don't have to "lose"). I never said the ONLY Pink Eyed White Rat is an Albino.

You can't back peddle out of that one.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

You can't back peddle out of that one.

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Yeah, because clearly Albino rats aren't Pink Eyed White rats, or almost always referred to as PEW (which, fyi, if you didn't know..it's an acronym for Pink Eyed White).

Do I smell a troll? Could I have been wrong in a previous posting defending the fact you weren't trolling this forum?

Your continued attacks are off topic, and irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Your continued attacks are off topic, and irrelevant. Please stay on topic.

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Not a personal attack at all, I'm simply stating the truth. You seem to do nothing but troll this forum. Continuing on debates that are senseless just for the attention, even when you are wrong. This would make you a troll.

Well to hopefully end this less than intelligent debate. . .
My only points are this:

Saying a rat is 'PEW Albino' is beyond redundant, and possibly even incorrect depending on your understanding of the terms.

A PEW and an Albino rat are not always the same things.

If you agree to those 2 points, then this discussion is over. :)

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Originally Posted by Rhasputin

Well to hopefully end this less than intelligent debate. . .
My only points are this:

Saying a rat is 'PEW Albino' is beyond redundant, and possibly even incorrect depending on your understanding of the terms.

A PEW and an Albino rat are not always the same things.

If you agree to those 2 points, then this discussion is over. :)

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Well, I'm glad you think this utterly ridiculous discussion is over. That being said, ending it with a lie (or manipulation of words) isn't cool. I never said a Pink Eyed White Albino. I simply said a Pink Eyed Albino, to clarify to the OP he had an albino. At the most, I will admit stating that an Albino having pink eyes is redundant IF someone knows their genetics. If you are explaining it to someone with limited understanding of rodent genetics, it was meant to be descriptive.

Anyway, I'm glad you corrected me on something that wasn't needed. I don't know what I would have done if you hadn't, because I just didn't know what an albino was. Meanwhile, you should learn the difference between Berks, Irish, and Irish/English markings. Just about every post you make is incorrect. Oh and definitely work out that whole Mink/Agouti confusion. Seems like someone with your knowledge should be able to figure out if an animal is ticked or not. :)

Anyway, good luck. I hope you feel fulfilled with the attention you received.

lmfao, this thread is hilarious. Ive read the same sentence/statement/opinion multiple times since the first page! Its like a name calling battle, that isn't getting any better! LOL :rage:

All rats are POW, but not all POW are rats.

Oh the irony.