Crap Odds

So my six egg clutch of spider x normal just hatched a few days ago and from the day I cut I couldn't wait for these babies to come out because they looked amazing! Even the normals had super clean and light patterns and I planned on holding any of the females back because they looked like they would make some incredible babies of their own someday. The spiders are also among the brightest I have seen (My picture was taken with a cell phone and probably doesn't do justice). It turned out to be 2 spiders and 4 normals, which obviously wasn't stellar but only one off the odds so I couldn't complain. Like I said I figured the quality made up for the missing spider. Then after they crawled out of their eggs I started sexing and snake after snake turned out male until ALL SIX snakes were out and MALE. Grrrrrr :mad: looks like I won't be holding any back (although the lighter of the two spiders might replace one of my spider breeders). I better get great odds on my het albino clutch now! P.S. As bitter as I sound I am very grateful to have hatched six beautiful, healthy snakes.

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/..._7342946_n.jpg

Great looking babies
The plus side is they will all be ready to breed in a year or so:rolleyes::D

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Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

Great looking babies
The plus side is they will all be ready to breed in a year or so:rolleyes::D

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Ha thanks for the optimism but I don't think many people are looking for normal males for their breeding projects. :P

Hi,

I'd Loooove to see better pics of the spider who's body is at the bottom of that pic. :please:

I'ts killing me you are an ocean away if the rest of his pattern looks like that. :tears:


dr del

true, but they make GREAT pets.
Help me out here, try to make someones day better than mine:oops:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

I'd Loooove to see better pics of the spider who's body is at the bottom of that pic. :please:

I'ts killing me you are an ocean away if the rest of his pattern looks like that. :tears:


dr del

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Gotta keep the moderators happy :) http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...0627-00010.jpg

Also here is proof that these normals look abnormally bright and clean. Pictured on the left is one of this clutches' babies (looks like junk because it still hasn't had its first shed) next to one of my average babies from another clutch (shed yesterday).

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...0630-00012.jpg

Well they may all be male, but they're all fantastic looking! I agree, that really reduced spider is going to give me grief now because of how far away it is lol! And the two reduced normals are great looking! (What can I say, I like normals :P)

Nice clutch.

Don't feel bad about the odds...it happens to everyone. I had a het.-to-het. g-stripe breeding. 'Got 7 eggs. Hatched 6 possible hets. and one g-stripe...which never made it out of the egg. However, the 6 normals are all doing great...go figure.

Dang it!!

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Originally Posted by A&Jsnakes

Gotta keep the moderators happy :) http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...0627-00010.jpg

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He's gorgeous. :taz:

Stupid Atlantic ocean. **kicks planet**


dr del

I have a question.

Does incubation conditions effect sex ratios in ball Pythons?


I seem to remember a study with pine snakes that concluded that genetics and humidity temp of incubation effected sex determination but I am not sure any more. Has anyone else heard this too. I know the breeder I usually buy from says that if things are off you get mostly boys. I can't recall exactly anymore.

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Originally Posted by dr del

Dang it!!


He's gorgeous. :taz:

Stupid Atlantic ocean. **kicks planet**


dr del

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haha swim over and I'll cut you a deal for your efforts

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Originally Posted by kitedemon

I have a question.

Does incubation conditions effect sex ratios in ball Pythons?


I seem to remember a study with pine snakes that concluded that genetics and humidity temp of incubation effected sex determination but I am not sure any more. Has anyone else heard this too. I know the breeder I usually buy from says that if things are off you get mostly boys. I can't recall exactly anymore.

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I was wondering that too because the odds of all six being male was only 1/64 but I was reading a different thread on here where someone asked the same question and there were quite a few NO WAY answers from pro breeders.

I was told sex determination is due to genetics, not incubation. Humans have x and y. I can't remember what snakes have, but I think those determine sex, at least in ball pythons.

I remember that as well. I can't recall who it was but I remember something about lower temps yielding higher number of females. Our first was a spiderXnormal and we had all 8 eggs hatch ...6 female 2 male... So it's all luck with genetics. Also you have a nice reduced spider . Post some pics after he sheds.

still some great looking animals...congratulations!

I was going to ask for a better pic of that spider too! GORGEOUS!!! The normal babies are really nice too, congrats!

As promised here is a post-shed picture of the male spider.

http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...0706-00042.jpg

Sorry on the sexing odds but thats a sweet spider :gj:

your 1/64 odd calculation is wrong. Each individual egg had a 50/50 chance. Just because one is male it doesn't affect the odds of the others. Nice looking clutch. That spider is beautiful.

Sorry about all the males. They all look nice:) I love the reduced patterns!

Stellar spider...congrats! :gj:

I know each egg is a 50/50 chance but the odds of all 6 being one way or the either is still 1/64. It's like flipping a coin and getting heads 6 times in a row.

Awesome Spider! Congrats!