Cool Female Rat

Not sure what she is but she has a awesome coat with pink eyes. Father is a Rex that carries siamese,pink eye and im sure others ive yet to uncover.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._5635214_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._3948357_n.jpg

She is pretty! :gj:

She's a molting Siamese. Since she's pretty dark, she should end up with some nice points. :)

By the way, she has Ruby/Red eyes.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

She's a molting Siamese. Since she's pretty dark, she should end up with some nice points. :)

By the way, she has Ruby/Red eyes.

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How common is her genes. Ive never produced one of her ever. When she came along i knew i had to hold onto her

Siamese aren't rare, but they are a must in every colony, in my opinion.

It's unfortunate, but when Siamese were first discovered, they were over bred and it not only ruined how dark their points used to be, people started having problems with them being aggressive and unhealthy. Their temperament and health are less of a problem now that they are so genetically diverse though.

If you want to make your line have darker points/more attractive, breed her to a self (solid colored) black rat. It should be void of any markings, even feet and belly. In the litter she throws, hold back some of the self black rats (which will all be het. Siamese). At that point, you can breed them to each other (or another Siamese line) and it will darken the line's points.

Good luck, she's a very pretty girl. :)

I could swap her out to another tub as all my breeder males are solid black rexs that carry her genes. Rather breed her back to the dad i can help keep her blood line stronger and longer in the collection.

Ive just never produced a Siamese like this girl with her coloring. Most of mine were white right off the bat and that was how i knew. Now that i know what she is ill have to work with her as she freaks when held and begins to poop.

Ill work with her when im working my my double rex female.

Himalayans start out white and develop their points after their first molt.

Siamese (depending on the grade of Siamese) will start out creamy and have a dark grey rear and either a creamy or brown shoulder area.

http://www.rmca.org/Articles/himalayan.htm

What do you all do with your special rats? Do you breed specials to sell in addition to your feeders?

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What do you all do with your special rats? Do you breed specials to sell in addition to your feeders?

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I'm glad you asked this. I was wondering the same thing. Are these colonies kept as pets or sold as feeders? My reason for asking is because if they are being sold as feeders, what importance is the coat marking? I could understand if they are being kept as pets why they would be bred for a certain trait. Just curious :)

All the siamese type rats or pet quality ones are kept here to breed and sell as pets locally.

Standard fancies and what not are fed off.



On side note this video is 4 months old, but the 2 rats you see in the beginning with red/pink eyes. What would they be as i kept one and shes now a white rex siamese pink eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pASqwVRh-6o

Here she is from video.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net..._8219926_n.jpg

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On side note this video is 4 months old, but the 2 rats you see in the beginning with red/pink eyes. What would they be as i kept one and shes now a white rex siamese pink eye.

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They appear to be non-agouti based Siamese. Which is good, agouti Siamese have more diluted points. Meaning, you are working with some decent Siamese genetics! If you have a line of Blues, you can breed them into the Siamese and have Blue Point Siamese Rats.

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What do you all do with your special rats? Do you breed specials to sell in addition to your feeders?

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I'm glad you asked this. I was wondering the same thing. Are these colonies kept as pets or sold as feeders? My reason for asking is because if they are being sold as feeders, what importance is the coat marking? I could understand if they are being kept as pets why they would be bred for a certain trait. Just curious :)

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Personally, I breed pets only. I used to breed for feeders, but I started liking the rats too much and switched over to f/t.

As for feeder breeders leaning towards wanting the really fancy rats, I guess I can understand that too. It adds an interesting aspect to the hobby and with most people into Ball Pythons, one of the things that is fascinating is the genetics. Which is on turbo speed mode with rats. You get to mess around with genetics at a much more rapid pace. Just my thoughts anyway.

I have a female blue but she passed away during winter. She was about 4 years old and developed a tumor. Sadly she never produced another of her kind in the 2 years she bred for me.

This is the female i picked up that was labeled blue line. She produced some awesome babies but when she was breeding i didnt have the new rex blood i got now.

http://i577.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/100_3274.jpg

Cool. I thought that was how it worked. I really enjoy my rats as well and I have a couple of rex and I believe a blue spotted. I am still learning about the genetics part of it but I think I would have a really hard time working so hard for a litter then just feeding them off. I am trying really hard not to look at the babies more than I have too. I got way to attached to the first litter.

Do those eyes look like these Rich?
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT9104.jpg

Yes they do.

Pink eye Siamese :)

This is how my Siamese start out. I produce Siamese from a bunch of female Siamese and male Black-Self. This picture doesn't show how dark her feet, nose, and back/tail base area are. But it does show her overall color pretty well.
Cute little Siamese dumbo girl
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n.../P6070164a.jpg

First Siamese posted is without a doubt a ruby/red eyed Siamese, the other (rex) is a Pink eyed Siamese. I have both in my colony. I prefer the Ruby eyed Siamese.

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First Siamese posted is without a doubt a ruby/red eyed Siamese, the other (rex) is a Pink eyed Siamese. I have both in my colony. I prefer the Ruby eyed Siamese.

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I have a ruby eyed seal point siamese with very good coat and markings. What would I breed her to so that I would get a black eyed seal point siamese?

Thanks

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I have a ruby eyed seal point siamese with very good coat and markings. What would I breed her to so that I would get a black eyed seal point siamese?

Thanks

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I would also like to know how to produce a black-eyed Siamese.
I'm wondering if I just have to find a breeder that has one and buy it from them...or if I can make my own somehow.
I know I've seen rat breeders on here post pictures of them. How did you guys do it?

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I have a ruby eyed seal point siamese with very good coat and markings. What would I breed her to so that I would get a black eyed seal point siamese?

Thanks

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I would also like to know how to produce a black-eyed Siamese.
I'm wondering if I just have to find a breeder that has one and buy it from them...or if I can make my own somehow.
I know I've seen rat breeders on here post pictures of them. How did you guys do it?

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You would need to have a rat carrying the Black Eyed gene in your colony. This is not the same as the high white/spotting BEW (Black Eyed Whites) that you see. With these animals you can breed them into Siamese, Himalayans, Albinos, etc.

You'll need to acquire one from a local rattery or bum one from snakesRkewl. :D While it isn't a super rare gene, it's not one you can make or find just anywhere.

Sadly, I don't have any rats carrying the Black Eyed gene, I only have Black Eyed Whites.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

You would need to have a rat carrying the Black Eyed gene in your colony. This is not the same as the high white/spotting BEW (Black Eyed Whites) that you see. With these animals you can breed them into Siamese, Himalayans, Albinos, etc.

You'll need to acquire one from a local rattery or bum one from snakesRkewl. :D While it isn't a super rare gene, it's not one you can make or find just anywhere.

Sadly, I don't have any rats carrying the Black Eyed gene, I only have Black Eyed Whites.

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Are you saying breed to any rat that has black eyes or to a specific type like a black eyed siamese?

Info about BE siamese, and BE himilayan on this link: http://www.spoiledratten.com/breedingrats5.html

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Are you saying breed to any rat that has black eyes or to a specific type like a black eyed siamese?

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No, there is a certain Black Eyed gene that shows through even in Albinos, Siamese, etc. They are not commonly seen in the pet trade yet. Go to the link Rhasputin provided, maybe that will help you understand it a little better than I can explain it.

In order to make a BES (Black Eyed Siamese), you will need to find someone who carries one of the Black Eyed lines, not just any Black Eyed rat will work. It is a certain line.

Black eyes seen on normal rats are just the default eye colour. The black eyes seen on black eyed siamese, and black eyed himilayan, are caused by a specific gene (Be/*).

Most rats don't have this gene at all and would be considered (be/be) meaning they do not have the gene what-so-ever.

An animal with Be/be (one copy of the black eyed gene) would show it as well as, I'm pretty certain but correct me if i'm wrong, and animal with Be/Be (two copies of the black eyed gene).

It's similar to the pink eyed gene, but Black eye is dominant, and pink eye is recessive. :)

well this female molted and her points are faded. Not the best looker unless she molts again and they get darker.

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Originally Posted by Michelle.C

You'll need to acquire one from a local rattery or bum one from snakesRkewl. :D While it isn't a super rare gene, it's not one you can make or find just anywhere.

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:P Michelle

I didn't realize how hard it was to get the black eyed Siamese ratty's, I feel lucky to have them in my lines of Siamese.

On a side note my rat breeding partner just had a litter of all Black Eyed Whites, I'll be sure to get some pics as they fuzz up some :)

Thank god I bummed my entire colony from Jerry :) Good info. Thanks for sharing everyone.

Regards,

B

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

well this female molted and her points are faded. Not the best looker unless she molts again and they get darker.

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Siamese rats are acromelanism :Siamese color & points are temperature sensitive, so winter coats are always darker than coats which come out during warmer weather, regardless of point colour.

@Michelle,
I work with both seal points and russian blue points with ruby eyes. I am aware of the BE gene, but was just curious if you've ever heard of anyone having success introducing the BE into a siamese line while playing with some burmese genetics that didn't have the BE in its pedigree?