? breeding bumblebee X spider?

wanting to breed a bumblebee to a spider female?
difference between killer and bublebee?
What is the best cross right now with a spider female--as far as dynamic coloration morphs go?
thanks, "J"

Make a spinner blast :)
http://newenglandreptile.com/nerd/in...ner-blast.html

A killer bee is a super pastel x spider, and a bumble bee is a pastel x spider.

as far as coloration, I agree with Lgray, Spinner blasts are hot

so what will the bumblebee X spider create?

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Originally Posted by pastorj

so what will the bumblebee X spider create?

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so what will the bumblebee X spider create?

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You can get a mix of bumblebees, spiders, pastels, and normals from that pairing. You can't get killerbees because you would need a pastel allele from each parent in order to have the shot at super pastels (killerbee = super pastel spider). For your other question, pretty much any cross with a spider is nice. What males do you have in mind to pair her to?

Tee-hee -- I like "Mythical Homozygous Spider." :) Does it sparkle, I wonder?

Right now i either am planning on breeder her to a bumblebee or a regular pastel.
Which of these would you recommend? And whats a good cross with a bubblebee male? I am buying another female.

Well whats best is what you believe on the whole homozygous spider issue. feel free to read up on it here. I would do the bumblebee personally and keep careful notes on what goes on and report them back to the community.

"A good cross" is opinion, i would suggest you look at crosses and decided for yourself so you are happy with your project. You really can't go wrong with breeding him to anything.

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Right now i either am planning on breeder her to a bumblebee or a regular pastel.
Which of these would you recommend? And whats a good cross with a bubblebee male? I am buying another female.

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Obviously 2 genes are better than one so Bee over Pastel.

A good cross with a Male Bee would be a female Pinstripe or a Pinstripe combo depending on your budget.

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Obviously 2 genes are better than one so Bee over Pastel.

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Well if you believe the homozygous spider to be lethal, then you lower your chances of pastels and normals.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Well if you believe the homozygous spider to be lethal, then you lower your chances of pastels and normals.

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Just thinking something doesn't make it so. It either is or it isn't, and there doesn't seem to be enough information out there to say whether it is or isn't.

To answer OP's question though, I agree with the others that I'd pair the bumblebee male to the spider. If you are buying another female, any dominant or incompletely dominant mutation would be a good choice. It really would come down to your budget and personal preferences though. It's hard to go wrong when plugging bumblebee into other mutations.

dont do it. from what i have heard/remember a spiderXspider is fatal kinda like the whole pearl project nerd had

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Just thinking something doesn't make it so. It either is or it isn't, and there doesn't seem to be enough information out there to say whether it is or isn't.

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Well obviously, but he asked which pairing is best? well its a matter of opinion to answer that.

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dont do it. from what i have heard/remember a spiderXspider is fatal kinda like the whole pearl project nerd had

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NERD has living pearls, I held one at tinley and I haven't seen any hard facts about it being lethal, it just a theory

Personally I would breed the spider with the Pastel to make Bees. Then I would breed the separate bees together to get the Killer Bee.

Spider x Spider is not lethal.

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wanting to breed a bumblebee to a spider female?
difference between killer and bublebee?
What is the best cross right now with a spider female--as far as dynamic coloration morphs go?
thanks, "J"

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If you have a bumblebee you can breed it to a pastel to get killer bee's. It will be a small percent chance since you can also get: Bee's, Spiders, Pastels, and Normals.

Don't know what kind of budget you have or even if you are in the market for a new snake, but I recommend getting a lemon blast. Its a Pastel Pinstripe. You'll get some amazing combos out of it. I have 2 Bee's and that will be the next project I look forward to.

On Rafael Martinez's youtube page he goes through an entire interview with Kevin McCurley of NERD. In that video Kevin explains his whole experience with breeding spider x spider, including the pearl project. From what I remember the overall outcome was not very good and he advises against it. I believe the youtube page is Massachusettsballs or something of that sort? I subscribed to it on my youtube channel. The link to my channel where it can be found is below if you are interested. He also goes through his numerous experiences with "failed" projects. It's a very interesting video for sure. If I were to take anyone's advice about it all it would be his.

Hi,

Pearl is the homozygous form of woma not spider. They did indeed mention spider x spider breedings but Kevin said there was no truth it it being a lethal combo. :gj:

This is Ralphies youtube page and the video you want is Lethal Ball Python combos Part 2


dr del

Yep! That's it...and what I remembered was wrong lol. Thanks

not to hijack but what is the diffrence from a killer to a normal bee i understand the super for the killer but is color or pattern or something that would make you go oh now this is a killer

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not to hijack but what is the diffrence from a killer to a normal bee i understand the super for the killer but is color or pattern or something that would make you go oh now this is a killer

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Killerbees hatch out with a light grey pattern and appear hypomelanistic, whereas bumblebees hatch out with bold black pattern.

Personally I would pick up another male to breed to your spider female. You have a bumblebee (pastel & spider) male so sell the pastel male and pick up a pin or mojave or fire and breed that to your spider female then you could keep any double gene females you produce and breed those to the bee. You have the possibility of some super crazy stuff down the road with that option.

But what ever you decide do so because you like the cross and have fun!

Would a spider X butter be a good cross?....make butter bees?

I bred a bee x bee and bee x spider this year and both girls are currently gravid. I didnt know it at the time but a 'super spider' if you will, is a fatal gene combo so you're throwing out a certain percentage (25%) of your clutch by taking a spider combo to a spider. Im replacing my male bee this year with another male, he'll be down on the table in Indy on the 27th. Thinking about getting a pastel butter pin!

And id just like to say that genetics calculator is SWEET!:D

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I bred a bee x bee and bee x spider this year and both girls are currently gravid. I didnt know it at the time but a 'super spider' if you will, is a fatal gene combo so you're throwing out a certain percentage (25%) of your clutch by taking a spider combo to a spider. Im replacing my male bee this year with another male, he'll be down on the table in Indy on the 27th. Thinking about getting a pastel butter pin!

And id just like to say that genetics calculator is SWEET!:D

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Nerd said he has had several spider x spider clutches with no ill effect! He didn't make a super spider either!

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Would a spider X butter be a good cross?....make butter bees?

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Here is a pic of a Sputter(SpiderXButter): http://www.ballpython.ca/images/coll.../sputter-L.jpg