Michigan buyers beware

I will not go into the full details, I will just say this man sold me a Spider with an infected tail at a show in Taylor.
I have sent him pictures and sent several e-mails to try and rectify the problem. I have called and well basically he has not responded to anything. Basically saying "It's your problem now" even though it was "oh she just had a bad shed" when purchased.
To me it is a cowardice move and also bad for business and the world of Reptiles.
Since it may be called slander or what not, I will only give the initials of the bum,
R.R. and something about a Cellar.... If your familiar with what I'm getting at, PLEASE think 4 times before buying from this bum. You will end up on the losing end.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball

I will not go into the full details, I will just say this man sold me a Spider with an infected tail at a show in Taylor.
I have sent him pictures and sent several e-mails to try and rectify the problem. I have called and well basically he has not responded to anything. Basically saying "It's your problem now" even though it was "oh she just had a bad shed" when purchased.
To me it is a cowardice move and also bad for business and the world of Reptiles.
Since it may be called slander or what not, I will only give the initials of the bum,
R.R. and something about a Cellar.... If your familiar with what I'm getting at, PLEASE think 4 times before buying from this bum. You will end up on the losing end.

Good luck!

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Thank you so much for the heads up. I am currently looking for a good breeder around me. Saying that, I'll keep those initials in mind and put 2&2 together when I come across the BP I'm looking for!
Thank you:)

This should have gone in the inquiries and feedback area

And you need to name the individual

You didnt suspect anything when you purchased it besides a bad shed?

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball

Since it may be called slander or what not, I will only give the initials of the bum,
R.R. and something about a Cellar.... If your familiar with what I'm getting at, PLEASE think 4 times before buying from this bum. You will end up on the losing end.

Good luck!

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slander is only slander if its untrue

and people wonder why I don't go to taylor show... there more than one bad person there I can tell you that.

I sent a PM to 8-Ball, he said the guy's name is Russ Renbarger calls his "Business" the "Reptile Cellar"

Wow a cellar, no wonder

Got pics? And was this a regularly priced animal or was there a discount for the "bad shed"?

You did inspect it before purchase, did you not?

I'm pretty sure I remember your thread with the pictures of its tail.. that's terrible, just goes to show that they are a breeder who is in it for the money and not for the animals' welfare. If it had been a snake I had sold (even though I'm not yet a breeder), I'd have done everything I could to right the wrong.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Got pics? And was this a regularly priced animal or was there a discount for the "bad shed"?

You did inspect it before purchase, did you not?

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Already posted them on here awhile back asking for help as to what it may be.
Yes a wooping $20 off.

Yes of course. Read my original post.

I am not a ultimate experienced bp owner (little over a year). So this is new to me and many others did not know what it was either. I have a vet appointment for her this Friday. Then I will be able to put a name on what this is that is "Wound":confused:

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Already posted them on here awhile back asking for help as to what it may be.
Yes a wooping $20 off.

Yes of course. Read my original post.

I am not a ultimate experienced bp owner (little over a year). So this is new to me and many others did not know what it was either. I have a vet appointment for her this Friday. Then I will be able to put a name on what this is that is "Wound":confused:

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Well, let me just go search through thousands of posts to see if I can find the one you're referring to; after all why should you bother to post a link or, heaven forfend, repeat posting the picture for those who just may have, somehow, poor pitiful fools that we are, missed your initial thread about this.

Yeah, not.

Buyers remorse?

27 seconds. :P :P :P

Ok I cheated and used the "threads started by" bit in his profile page. :oops:


dr del

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27 seconds. :P :P :P

Ok I cheated and used the "threads started by" bit in his profile page. :oops:


dr del

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Yeah, thought about that after I posted but, I still don't have time for it, which, as we know, is merely me.

This should go to the BOI. Unless the buyer has not been completely forthcoming. And we all know that's never happened before.

Well for one, looking at the pics. Thats not a bad shed, You can tell by looking at it.

Bad sheds are where the skin does not come off. A "bad shed" does not look like rotting scales. I mean just looking at it before you bought it and seeing the skin/scales are rotting off should of turned you away. Iv bought snakes before that had a bad shed, but thats just simply a stuck shed, not rotting scales.

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Well, let me just go search through thousands of posts to see if I can find the one you're referring to; after all why should you bother to post a link or, heaven forfend, repeat posting the picture for those who just may have, somehow, poor pitiful fools that we are, missed your initial thread about this.

Yeah, not.

Buyers remorse?

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Your done. You are no help and only want to create an argument as I suspected.

Are you the Coward RUSS RENBARGER who sold this snake to me hiding behind a screen name.

Either way, kick rocks

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Well for one, looking at the pics. Thats not a bad shed, You can tell by looking at it.

Bad sheds are where the skin does not come off. A "bad shed" does not look like rotting scales. I mean just looking at it before you bought it and seeing the skin/scales are rotting off should of turned you away. Iv bought snakes before that had a bad shed, but thats just simply a stuck shed, not rotting scales.

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I'm new to all this. Have of known what it was, no I would not have burdened myself and forked over $200 for her. I mistook it for a bad/stuck shed and the coward who sold it to me took advantage of my inexperience.

WTF anyways this was meant for people to beware of this guy. I only intended to help.

So as my Grandmother always told me "If you don't have nothing nice to say don't say it at all"

I'm done with this thread.

Hell with it, let everyone get screwed over by RUSS RENBARGER

Well, we've heard your side.

I still have my doubts about whether you were taken advantage of, though it may have happened, however, without his side of it, your word, being unknown, is not of any great value.

You may be legit, you may not.

This should go to the BOI.

Unless all is not as you say. Should that be the case, well, what would granny say about that? Don't cry over spilled milk? Or maybe, look before you leap? Or maybe something clever about not trading cows for beans. Doubtless there would be some words of wisdom. Or if not wisdom, at least words of amusement.

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This should go to the BOI.

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I really hope you dont mean funas BOI..... They tear people a new one over there for bad guy threads like this one. Where someone comes on post a bad guy thread with little to no evidence, then bashes everyone who replies. He wouldn't last.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Well, let me just go search through thousands of posts to see if I can find the one you're referring to; after all why should you bother to post a link or, heaven forfend, repeat posting the picture for those who just may have, somehow, poor pitiful fools that we are, missed your initial thread about this.

Yeah, not.

Buyers remorse?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Well, let me just go search through thousands of posts to see if I can find the one you're referring to; after all why should you bother to post a link or, heaven forfend, repeat posting the picture for those who just may have, somehow, poor pitiful fools that we are, missed your initial thread about this.

Yeah, not.

Buyers remorse?

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i'm sure ill get ripped for this but you sure had the time to write this post and a few others. i get where youre coming from but if you didnt have the time or energy to take the "27 seconds" to see what he was talking about the you should have just moved on. why do so many people insist on creating drama? im sure when the OP has had as much experience as you with his animals and with this forum his posts will be more clear and consise and more to your liking. all im saying is you could have got your point across with acting like that. maybe you should write a guideline for how to write posts on BP.net.

thank you for your time

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball

I will not go into the full details, I will just say this man sold me a Spider with an at a show in Taylor.
I have sent him pictures and sent several e-mails to try and rectify the problem. I have called and well basically he has not responded to anything. Basically saying "It's your problem now" even though it was "oh she just had a bad shed" when purchased.
To me it is a cowardice move and also bad for business and the world of Reptiles.
Since it may be called slander or what not, I will only give the initials of the bum,
R.R. and something about a Cellar.... If your familiar with what I'm getting at, PLEASE think 4 times before buying from this bum. You will end up on the losing end.

Good luck!

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Sry but this sounds like a case of buyers remorse too me. Bad shed is one thing
but an infected tail and you don't spot it at the show? It sounds to me you did NOT give the animal a good going over before you bought it. This ones on You:gj:

I saw the snake right after the show. When he showed it to me the tip of the tail was covered in a few layers of old shed. When he soaked the snake and removed the shed you could see the problem with the tail. He did not want his money back he was just asking the seller for help in determining what was wrong with the tail.... Only after the sell wouldn't return any calls did he get upset.

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I saw the snake right after the show. When he showed it to me the tip of the tail was covered in a few layers of old shed. ...

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This is not a knock against the OP at all...I know we all start somewhere and we all have to learn our lessons along the way. This is just to point out a specific lesson that hopefully others can learn from the easy way rather than going through it themselves.

A snake at a show currently having a flaky shed is one thing...the travel and the unusually dry conditions of being on display can easily cause a bad shed and is easily remedied without any lasting harm. But when you find a snake at a show that has "a few layers of old shed..." that is a HUGE red flag to walk away and not buy any snakes from that vendor. Sheds left around the tail are particularly dangerous as they can cut off circulation and cause all sorts of trouble, as the OP has discovered. Old stuck sheds on any animal is a strong indication that the seller has no particular care for the health of the animal and your risk of encountering additional more serious health issue with any purchase is very high.

This guy (the seller) sounds like a real piece of work, and I'm glad his name is out there for others to watch out for. This is not the BOI and while it would be nice to have a more thorough accounting from the OP, it is not something we demand when someone is just issuing a heads-up sort of warning. I'll say, though...that anyone posting a thread like this should be prepared to have questions thrown at them, and not all of them softly padded with consummate diplomacy. :P

I'll explain CTurtle, something I almost never do.

Almost NO ONE gets the benifit of the doubt. This lesson was well learned. This guy's story isn't quite right. My method is not always "nice" but it is VERY effective.

I smell fish on this one. Don't you?

absolutely!

just sayin if you "dont have time" then why waste it?

To the OP...you got screwed..it seems..and that sucks...but it was also kinda your fault for not being cautious enough. Research, Research, Research, then you know what the red flags are...and NEVER!...EVER!! assume someone who you've never met is your friend...ESPECIALLY if they're trying to sell you something.

And also, this thread gets an A for being one of the more amusing threads I've read today...thank you for that wilomn! :rofl::rofl:

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absolutely!

just sayin if you "dont have time" then why waste it?

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Not having time to search for something that really should be there, then mentioning it, does not mean time has been wasted.

You may have thought so. Your way of thinking is not be universal.

Now, to my question. You don't think there's something a tad fishy here?

i think its just an inexperienced keeper who got a less than perfectlly healthy snake. sounds like the guy he bought from is either shady or inexperienced himself.

i dont need your explanation. you are quite clear on your intent.

but i would like to know why "no one gets the benefit of the doubt." and how has your "method" been effective?

so the guy forgot to post some some relevant info in his post. thats not where he was going. itd be like me pointing out you mispelled the benefit. i wouldnt because your obvious typo didnt matter to me.

im not saying the OP is right. im saying hes inexperienced. if that guy had experience he wouldnt have sold that snake without an explanation of what is wrong. simply because you are, or at least seem to be, very experienced that doesnt mean all of us here are.

it still irritates me that you whined about not having the time to go through all his posts to find out what he was talking about. i doubt he was asking you for help personally. if it was such a waste time for you then why bother to post? just makes you sound like a jerk.

i dont care if you dont like what i have to say. but you obviously do. im done with this. if you want to pm me then fine. this drama is not what this site is about and im not going to perpetuate the cycle.

I'm not much for PMs. Nor PMS.

You also failed to answer the only question I asked of you.

You keep talking about wasting time. Your thinking is that time spent, by me I guess, would be wasted looking for information that should have been provided BUT that is not MY issue. It's not a WASTE of time, I DON'T have to to put into it. There is a difference. He may be inexperienced. He may be a big fat whiner who thought he got one over on a vendor and got took instead. That is something I've seen play out more than a few times. Suppose that's the truth of the situation. Do you know it isn't?

You're fairly new to the scene so you'll either have to trust me or base your decision not to on something other than fact. Something is not as the op would have us believe. Or not.

Until we hear from the seller we'll never know for certain.

i did answer your question.

if you have some time, look back to when you 1st asked. i responded "absolutely".

as far as experience goes if you go by sitting in front of a computer talking about snakes then youre right. not too much experience. If you mean hands on experienced ive worked with animals, mainly reptiles, for 25 years. some of that professionally. and even i dont claim to know everything. must be nice though.

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i did answer your question.

if you have some time, look back to when you 1st asked. i responded "absolutely".

as far as experience goes if you go by sitting in front of a computer talking about snakes then youre right. not too much experience. If you mean hands on experienced ive worked with animals, mainly reptiles, for 25 years. some of that professionally. and even i dont claim to know everything. must be nice though.

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Your point of view is both narrow and lonely.

I did not connect your abosolutely with the answer I was looking for proving, once again, that I am inperfect.

You seem to be trying to prove something, your worth or knowledge or something here. No one has questioned that.

What I thought, and you obviously missed, which is most likely my fault, you being the champion speller you are and all (and what if, just maybe, I misspelled that on purpose, as bait if you will, to see who would bite) was that you were new to the 'present your case online' part of buyer seller disputes, miscommunications and other mishaps frequently seen in the reptile world.

Was I wrong in my thinking that you are new to this online he/said she/said? If you are, that explains much. If you're not, that does as well.

Oh, and if I point out that being done with something means you are no longer involved with it,which you have said you were and yet you most obviously are not, would that make us even for my spelling error or would one of us be one up on the other?

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Your point of view is both narrow and lonely.

I did not connect your abosolutely with the answer I was looking for proving, once again, that I am inperfect.

You seem to be trying to prove something, your worth or knowledge or something here. No one has questioned that.

What I thought, and you obviously missed, which is most likely my fault, you being the champion speller you are and all (and what if, just maybe, I misspelled that on purpose, as bait if you will, to see who would bite) was that you were new to the 'present your case online' part of buyer seller disputes, miscommunications and other mishaps frequently seen in the reptile world.

Was I wrong in my thinking that you are new to this online he/said she/said? If you are, that explains much. If you're not, that does as well.

Oh, and if I point out that being done with something means you are no longer involved with it,which you have said you were and yet you most obviously are not, would that make us even for my spelling error or would one of us be one up on the other?

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sweet dreams :)

To be honest, what's fishy is the fact that Wilomn keeps asking and expressing that he thinks something is fishy. I don't understand why you're being so dramatic over this Wilomn, are you perhaps involved some how? I mean, you're making some big accusations, and also saying extremely rude things to this guy, calling him a big fat whiner and what not. Not only is it disrespectful, but it also makes me wonder what caused you to be so upset.

To All,

This is Russ Renbarger from Reptile Cellars who sold the animal in question. A good friend of mine, Brad Boa, saw this thread and brought it to my attention.

To date I have recieved 1 call from Jeromy about this animal and the condition metioned in this thread.

He was to send me pics the next day to show the condition of the tail, I never recieved any pics. Nor have I recieved or been ignoring any calls from him or his partner.

My email address is rci_russ@yahoo.com if you have pics of the animal and my cell # is 810.333.9980 in case you lost it.

Please get in touch with me so we can continue to move forward with this. I wish you would have contacted be like you said you would without going to the web to discuss this matter. I am willing work with all of my customers and am not in this for the short haul.

I have Tens of thousands of dollars and over 5 years into this business and am not selling anything that would intentionally hurt or "screw over" anyone.

So Jeromy or Kenneth Lucy, please call me and we will work this out.

One reason why i tell Michigan reptile keepers stay clear of shows in Michigan. Too many flippers picking up snakes on the way to shows from metro airports to only see them first time while setting up and labeling morph/price

Lesson learned, stay away from Taylor

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To All,

This is Russ Renbarger from Reptile Cellars who sold the animal in question. A good friend of mine, Brad Boa, saw this thread and brought it to my attention.

To date I have recieved 1 call from Jeromy about this animal and the condition metioned in this thread.

He was to send me pics the next day to show the condition of the tail, I never recieved any pics. Nor have I recieved or been ignoring any calls from him or his partner.

My email address is rci_russ@yahoo.com if you have pics of the animal and my cell # is 810.333.9980 in case you lost it.

Please get in touch with me so we can continue to move forward with this. I wish you would have contacted be like you said you would without going to the web to discuss this matter. I am willing work with all of my customers and am not in this for the short haul.

I have Tens of thousands of dollars and over 5 years into this business and am not selling anything that would intentionally hurt or "screw over" anyone.

So Jeromy or Kenneth Lucy, please call me and we will work this out.

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wait a minute!! same spelling errors as Wilomn?? hmmm...fishy? indeed!!

ROTFWL,

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wait a minute!! same spelling errors as Wilomn?? hmmm...fishy? indeed!!

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I can assure you that is not Wilomn posting under another name. :rofl: :rofl:


dr del

Awwww Doc, you should have let him go a little longer, dig a little deeper, prove himself out of his depth a little more.

Shucks even.

Sarcastic wilomn may be, but a liar and a fraud he is not. That is not him posing.

First off I would like to say I have known Russ for over 15 years and have been to his facility and seen how he takes care of his animals. His place is very clean and he puts a lot of time in his collection.

As far as this Spider I don't know this whole situation, but I do know Russ and he would have taken care of the problem.

I would like to see the pics of the Spider if you could repost them here.

Also how is the Spider doing now??

I am sure you guys can work this out.

All the best, Brad Boa

Rich, I think that you are way out of line there are MANY good breeders that vend the Taylor Michigan show. It is a good show.
Kevin

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One reason why i tell Michigan reptile keepers stay clear of shows in Michigan. Too many flippers picking up snakes on the way to shows from metro airports to only see them first time while setting up and labeling morph/price

Lesson learned, stay away from Taylor

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I am with Kevyn, I think it is a good show!!:gj:

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Then after I call him and he gives me his e-mail to send the pics (you know because he's never heard or seen anything like this)

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I have called and well basically he has not responded to anything.

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I'm confused - has he or has he not responded? In one post you claim he responded asking for pics. In another you claim he has basically not responded. Either he has or he hasn't.

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball

Just bought this spider at a reptile show and noticed she had a bad shed, she was almost completely shed though just a few spots here and there. Well a couple of days later after allowing her time to get comfy with her new home I inspected her closer to find this:
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore006.jpg
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore005.jpg
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore004.jpg
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore003.jpg
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore002.jpg
http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/...dowsore001.jpg

Let me know what you think please and thank you all.

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Already posted them on here awhile back asking for help as to what it may be.
Yes a wooping $20 off.

Yes of course. Read my original post.

I am not a ultimate experienced bp owner (little over a year). So this is new to me and many others did not know what it was either. I have a vet appointment for her this Friday. Then I will be able to put a name on what this is that is "Wound"

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I'm trying to understand the nature of the complaint. Please correct me if I'm unclear on anything here because I have had a hard time putting everything together after reading what seem like contradictions in your posts.

It appears as if you knew about the tail when you bought if and received a $20 discount on the animal - correct? Then after a few days in your care the tail apparently took a turn for the worse - right?

See, your post in the wound thread makes it seem like the seller hid something from you, when if fact it appears as if he gave you a discount (albeit a small one) for the tail.

If so, did the tail get worse under your care or is it in the same condition as it was when you bought it? If it is in the same condition, why was this not a concern at the time of your purchase?

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To All,
To date I have recieved 1 call from Jeromy about this animal and the condition metioned in this thread.

He was to send me pics the next day to show the condition of the tail, I never recieved any pics. Nor have I recieved or been ignoring any calls from him or his partner.

My email address is rci_russ@yahoo.com if you have pics of the animal and my cell # is 810.333.9980 in case you lost it.

Please get in touch with me so we can continue to move forward with this. I wish you would have contacted be like you said you would without going to the web to discuss this matter. I am willing work with all of my customers and am not in this for the short haul.

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So the seller is admitting that he got the one call from you but never received your pics. He has come onto this forum to publicly address your complaint and has expressed a desire to work towards a resolution. This after a bunch of yahoos have now piled on your "Bad guy" thread and have made all sorts of snarky comments about him, the name of his business, etc.

So if I have everything lined up here correctly, you knowingly bought an animal with a retained shed on it's tail. You inspected it at the time of purchase and received a small discount for the imperfection. The tail worsened under your care and you contacted the seller about it. Something the seller openly has admitted to.

The seller asked you to send some pictures which you claim you sent but he says he never got, so you came here to warn all of us to stay away from him.

He then joins this forum to address your concerns, openly expressing his intent to make this work.

Seems like you jumped the gun and this guy is displaying an unnatural level of patience with you. My advice is to back away from the keyboard and call him.

Keep this in mind - the reason why some people smelled fish is because it didn't take an idiot to figure out that you probably knew about the tail at the time of the sale.

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Keep this in mind - the reason why some people smelled fish is because it didn't take an idiot to figure out that you probably knew about the tail at the time of the sale.

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LOL.

Indeed.

To date I have not heard back from Jeromy or his partner about the snake I sold them. Please, Jeromy and Ken, get in touch with me and we will get this issue straightend out.

To all of the folks that supported me in this thread I thank you very much. I appreciate you kind words.

To all of the members who put me down without knowing me, I invite you to stop by one of the Taylor shows and say hi, meet me face to face and then make up your minds about me. I am here to enjoy our hobby and build a happy customer base.

Thanks again,

Russ
The Reptile Cellar

Ok Russ you and I will discuss this as men face to face at the next show. I did call once you gave me your e-mail, I sent you pics of it and continued to try to contact you through email. You have not responded to one email I have sent. I have sent you PM's on yahoo when ever I seen you were online to try to contact you. NOTHING.

Now everyone who thinks I'm fishy, There it is. Thats how it went down. Yes inexperienced I admit. Ignorant I am not.

It was not a discount for the tail or bad shed it was just an overall chunk of change off, It's a reptile/trade show ya know????

I have already resolved the problem on my own after taking the snake to a vet.
I gave up any hope after not receiving any response back from you.

Her tail is fine now, just some scarring.

This whole thread was blown way out of proportion by people with either no lives, no jobs, or just love to argue.

See you the 14th.

You know, threatening someone like that is really a rather pudly thing to do.

YOU were asked for information you did not provide.

YOUR story does not match the sellers.

YOU tucked tail and ran.

Nothing was blown out of proportion.

While a good back in forth is enjoyable, you simply NEVER proved anything except your inexperience.

Maybe you'll do better next time. So long as the seller you're trying to buy from doesn't know about this thread.

Hi,

I have to say it is partly because you have not made your case very well - you seem to contradict yourself many times which makes people think something is not quite right.

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Ok Russ you and I will discuss this as men face to face at the next show. I did call once you gave me your e-mail, I sent you pics of it and continued to try to contact you through email. You have not responded to one email I have sent. I have sent you PM's on yahoo when ever I seen you were online to try to contact you. NOTHING.

Now everyone who thinks I'm fishy, There it is. Thats how it went down. Yes inexperienced I admit. Ignorant I am not.

It was not a discount for the tail or bad shed it was just an overall chunk of change off, It's a reptile/trade show ya know????

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Got pics? And was this a regularly priced animal or was there a discount for the "bad shed"?

You did inspect it before purchase, did you not?

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Already posted them on here awhile back asking for help as to what it may be.
Yes a wooping $20 off.

Yes of course. Read my original post.

I am not a ultimate experienced bp owner (little over a year). So this is new to me and many others did not know what it was either. I have a vet appointment for her this Friday. Then I will be able to put a name on what this is that is "Wound":confused:

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Those two posts directly contradict one another - the earlier post says you inspected it at the show and the use of the word "yes" when answering Wiloms question about money off seems to confirm it was for the bad shed.

Now compare the apparent fact you saw it and got money off for it ( from our readings of your post ) with this post - especially the highlighted part.

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I really hope it don't last long! poor girl. What's worse is the so called reptile breeder/expert says he has never heard of this before and didn't notice it. Shows he really cares for his snakes. Then after I call him and he gives me his e-mail to send the pics (you know because he's never heard or seen anything like this) He don't even have the decency to write back with any response.
Tells me he don't care is what I get from all this. Well I'm giving him till this afternoon to reply, rectify, or respond to something before putting an alert to buyers in Michigan to beware of this guy.
Thank you once again:)

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Did you mean he didn't notice it before you drew his attention to it at the show or that he hadn't noticed it when you called him about it later?

It's very confusing from our point of view the way it has been written.

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball

I have already resolved the problem on my own after taking the snake to a vet.
I gave up any hope after not receiving any response back from you.

Her tail is fine now, just some scarring.

This whole thread was blown way out of proportion by people with either no lives, no jobs, or just love to argue.

See you the 14th.

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Should you be unlucky enough to find yourself in a similar situation I would advise sitting down and writing down the timeline of who said/ saw what when to help explain it better.


dr del

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Originally Posted by wilomn

You know, threatening someone like that is really a rather pudly thing to do.

YOU were asked for information you did not provide.

YOUR story does not match the sellers.

YOU tucked tail and ran.

Nothing was blown out of proportion.

While a good back in forth is enjoyable, you simply NEVER proved anything except your inexperience.

Maybe you'll do better next time. So long as the seller you're trying to buy from doesn't know about this thread.

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It's not called a threat, it's called being a man. Don't want to be on here acting like I'm that guy or portraying that I'm a typing tuff guy in anyway. So I'll speak with him face to face as REAL MEN should do.
I'm not going to start with you all I've seen is you going back and forth with people trying to be witty.

Yes he knows about the thread and I don't care if it's the president of this great country, I have a voice

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It's not called a threat, it's called being a man. Don't want to be on here acting like I'm that guy or portraying that I'm a typing tuff guy in anyway. So I'll speak with him face to face as REAL MEN should do.
I'm not going to start with you all I've seen is you going back and forth with people trying to be witty.

Yes he knows about the thread and I don't care if it's the president of this great country, I have a voice

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And, not only that buy you have a right to use that voice and continually prove the old adage that it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Congratulations, you have done one of the finest jobs of doubt removal it has been my pleasure to personally witness.

Thank you from the deepest darkest depths of my peanut butter filled heart.

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Thank you from the deepest darkest depths of my peanut butter filled heart.

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[off topic]I love peanut butter. [/off topic]

If it was something noticeable upon the first initial inspection of the animal before purchase it should have been brought up right then and there. At which point I would have walked away from the deal.

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Originally Posted by KMS

Rich, I think that you are way out of line there are MANY good breeders that vend the Taylor Michigan show. It is a good show.
Kevin

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I agree. There is some variety, a little "something for everyone".
I am sure Russ will take care of any problem.