what can i buy with USD33,000?

i want to start breed bp.so my budget just USD33,000.please suggest me the best morphs that i have to buy and what is the best to produce?.and where can i get the best bp morphs?you can give the website or anything that can help me.

p/s:my biggest target is to breed killer blast.

$33,000?? You can basically buy anything you want...lol

Call up any of the big breeders and tell them how much your looking to drop. You will get stooooopid deals on ALOT of BP's.

Place a down payment on a nice banana ;)

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Originally Posted by psychophobia

i want to start breed bp.so my budget just USD33,000.please suggest me the best morphs that i have to buy and what is the best to produce?.and where can i get the best bp morphs?you can give the website or anything that can help me.

p/s:my biggest target is to breed killer blast.

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Hi and welcome,these are some breeders i have worked with and would recommend to anybody :gj:good luck

http://newenglandreptile.com/
http://www.bhbreptiles.com/
http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/
http://www.pkreptiles.com/

monster dodge:lol!

spitzu:what can i use banana to breed for?

ryan427:thank ryan,i will check all the link you give

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Place a down payment on a nice banana ;)

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thats not a very smart move to start off;) .first of all how many bananas are sold out there everyday? i would invest in pieds, lesser ,mojave , spiders,pastels,albino,and many base morphs ,and another part i would also invest would be in double morphs that so you can mix and match with the single morph to produce a triple combo and finely i would buy a couple quad morphs to mix and match to see if i can produce a whole new morph of my own:D

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Place a down payment on a nice banana ;)

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No need for DP on them as i seen them listed from 15k. But when starting a breeding facility you want to by ALL the base morphs in pairs.

Dont go blowing it all on the top morphs someone else produced that will not sell the cheap. 33k can go FAST in matter of 10 snakes if you buy big and then you got nothing to work with on breeding.

Hi,

I'd talk to the big breeders mentioned earlier in the thread - but I'd also say don't forget the housing.

So few morphs = less racking etc needed but if you shoot for a large number of the more common base morphs then your housing costs will rise.

I also think it depends a lot on where you want to take the hobby and what you personally like.


dr del

I would also start looking around for people selling entire collections. You could buy into a few smaller ones for that much, plus you might be able to get racks with them. You also want to have some money put aside for vet bills and feeders.

Not sure if this is a joke, but I'd get familiar with ball care and husbandry before you drop 33k on snakes. Your other posts suggests you are very fresh to snakes and I think you should relax and slow done if your serious about an investment.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by psychophobia

i want to start breed bp.so my budget just USD33,000.please suggest me the best morphs that i have to buy and what is the best to produce?.and where can i get the best bp morphs?you can give the website or anything that can help me.

p/s:my biggest target is to breed killer blast.

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yea i forgot the racks .here are 2 good company that make breeding racks

http://www.arscaging.com
http://www.freedombreeder.com

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Originally Posted by Johan

Not sure if this is a joke, but I'd get familiar with ball care and husbandry before you drop 33k on snakes. Your other posts suggests you are very fresh to snakes and I think you should relax and slow done if your serious about an investment.

Good luck

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i am new with bp,but i already have 7 burmese.my burmese is easy to handle n not like my bp.but i already learn more about bp now.i already make some practice at my friend shop.my friend already have a bp shop,but i dont want to take his business,so i want to open my own shop but with his help.he just have spider,pastel n normal for now and he still waiting for his bumblebee project.but i want to make another morph than bumblebee.n i am not joking.

ryan427,can u suggest me the best incubator?just want to count my budget.thank anyway for the suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Johan

Not sure if this is a joke, but I'd get familiar with ball care and husbandry before you drop 33k on snakes. Your other posts suggests you are very fresh to snakes and I think you should relax and slow done if your serious about an investment.

Good luck

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This is the best advise so far.

I don't know if im the only one who feels this way but why would you drop 33k on ball pythons when you are asking what incubator to buy? honestly, I hope this is a joke but in the off chance it's not, please do not go through with this plan. if you want to get into bp breeding by all means do but start relatively small and add more once you have gained the knowledge and experience required to keep such a collection that you are suggesting you want.

Just as an example of a breeder we all know, justin kobylka hatched out his first clutch of balls in his college dorm then capitalized on the industry and made an investment after taking the time to get to know the animals he was breeding.

just my two cents.

- xan


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I dont wanna sound rude here.

But for one if you have 33k you plan on investing and your coming here to ask what you should buy i highly doubt you have even looked into really what your investing into.

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBalls

I dont wanna sound rude here.

But for one if you have 33k you plan on investing and your coming here to ask what you should buy i highly doubt you have even looked into really what your investing into.

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yup.i already made up my mind.i know what i want to buy,but i just want another suggestion.maybe some of the item i want to buy or there are many other thing is better than what i want to buy.about the morphs,i still study about it.still confused me but my friend willing to take care of my bp when i already own them.n if anything goes wrong,i have vet near my house.i already released all my 7 burmese to the wild where i caught them just to concentrate on bp.

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ryan427,can u suggest me the best incubator?just want to count my budget.thank anyway for the suggestion.

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there are many good incubators out there but when u say the best this is what i call the best. but your probably better off making your own out of an old fridge.

http://www.pro-racks.com/prohatch.html;)

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Originally Posted by psychophobia

yup.i already made up my mind.i know what i want to buy,but i just want another suggestion.maybe some of the item i want to buy or there are many other thing is better than what i want to buy.about the morphs,i still study about it.still confused me but my friend willing to take care of my bp when i already own them.n if anything goes wrong,i have vet near my house.i already released all my 7 burmese to the wild where i caught them just to concentrate on bp.

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may i know from what country you are from??

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i already released all my 7 burmese to the wild where i caught them just to concentrate on bp.

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yeah I'm pretty concerned about the 7 Burmese that he just released


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I think were be trolled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

Must be a joke..

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I think were be trolled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw

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lol I agree with you sir. boxxy needs to stop meddling in prescription drugs lol.


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Here ya go.... best site I know of for ordering amazing Ball Pythons;)

http://lol.escoflip.com/

Regardless on if you are trolling or not, this is precisely why bills like HR669 are proposed.

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Regardless on if you are trolling or not, this is precisely why bills like HR669 are proposed.

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well since he posted USD33,000 its a pretty random number, im guessing he not from around here and wouldn't have any effect on our laws

Hi,

Just to say the IP being used corresponds to a country in which the burmese python is native.


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Just to say the IP being used corresponds to a country in which the burmese python is native.


dr del

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Thanks Dr.Del :gj:

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Just to say the IP being used corresponds to a country in which the burmese python is native.


dr del

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good. least it's not the glades.


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I'll sell you my collection. You pay for all permits and shipping and my snakes are yours. $33k plus permits and shipping. I think I can live with that! ;)

Jim Smith

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Hi,

Just to say the IP being used corresponds to a country in which the burmese python is native.


dr del

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The fact that he just releases animals into the wild at a whim tells me he should not breed any animals especially not humans... Sickening stuff :(

Hi,

That's kind of a blanket statement though.

For all you know these were wild collected burmese who have never been exposed to any other reptile pathogens.

It's not something I would have chanced but, without knowing even the basic facts, I'm not going to condem someone out of hand.

If I did I would have to condem everyone who takes in garters and corns at reptile rescues, gets them back to health, and then releases them.


dr del

lots of female normals that are ready to breed and lots of base morphs and visual recessives pretty much thats wat i would get

From the questions Ive seen you ask it seems to me anyways that you are still learning with your first. I don't suggest going out and spending a ton of $ and getting all these beautiful morphs. I
Just answered a thread by you yesterday were you've had your snake for a couple of weeks, it's stressed and not eating and you were trying to figure out the problem. Imagine that on a much larger scale. Breeding is so much more than putting 2 snakes together. Everything is involved. Start slowly. Get your frist snake going and on a schedule before really stressing yourself out. And learn as much as you can before hand. That being said..... Please don't be offended that's just my take on things and if you are interested is breeding I suggest doing as much research as possible on the subject. If your goal is killer blasts then get what you need to make killer blasts. Get one pair Going really well and add on to that. Incubating is another tricky thing that causes Many people stress every year. Try incubating with one or two clutches and see how your first clutch goes. Just my .02 c start slow and aim for the stars!

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Hi,

That's kind of a blanket statement though.

For all you know these were wild collected burmese who have never been exposed to any other reptile pathogens.

It's not something I would have chanced but, without knowing even the basic facts, I'm not going to condem someone out of hand.

If I did I would have to condem everyone who takes in garters and corns at reptile rescues, gets them back to health, and then releases them.


dr del

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Maybe so, but someone that barely knows how to take care of one ball then decided to make a business out of it in a few days makes me think my original statement is correct. He was using the Burmese pythons as an example that he had knowledge about snakes. I used to catch about 50 garter snakes back when I was 12. I am pretty sure, I wasnt ready to start breeding ball pythons at that point. The fact that he used these snakes as an example of his knowledge and then the same day tosses these animals in the bush is probably one of the most moronic things I have seen posted in quite some time. But I respect your stand to be respectful to the OP, I am not quite so PC with certain individuals :)

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The fact that he just releases animals into the wild at a whim tells me he should not breed any animals especially not humans... Sickening stuff :(

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so what do you want me to do?sell it?lolz!we can catch or keep as pet as many as we want,we dont need license or permit to catch n keep them.nobody want to buy it because there are too many of them.u can get them for $1 n some of asean people catch burmese python as a food.n if u have in my place,u only have 2 ways to let go your burmese in my country,just release it to the wild or sell it to the chinese restaurant.

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so what do you want me to do?sell it?lolz!we can catch or keep as pet as many as we want,we dont need license or permit to catch n keep them.nobody want to buy it because there are too many of them.u can get them for $1 n some of asean people catch burmese python as a food.n if u have in my place,u only have 2 ways to let go your burmese in my country,just release it to the wild or sell it to the chinese restaurant.

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Heres an idea, total shot in the dark, but how about keeping YOUR PET that you agreed to keep and care for. You knew how big they get now accommodate yourself or sell it. Dumping it will ruin your rep with real hobbyist and be hard if not impossible to sell other snakes your hatching

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so what do you want me to do?sell it?lolz!we can catch or keep as pet as many as we want,we dont need license or permit to catch n keep them.nobody want to buy it because there are too many of them.u can get them for $1 n some of asean people catch burmese python as a food.n if u have in my place,u only have 2 ways to let go your burmese in my country,just release it to the wild or sell it to the chinese restaurant.

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No, I want you to leave wild animals in the wild. If you do take them out of the wild, keep them as pets. You dont grab wild animals, keep them until your bored and then release. You show absolutely no compassion for animals. You treat them like bloody rocks for your garden. As such, I will be honest and I think you should move away from animals and collect something else. Animals deserve respect and care, they arent beanie babies. They are not simply collectables. If you are getting into them for money alone, I think you should move on because that is not fair to the animals.

The reason I speak up is because I love ball pythons and all snakes. It really sadens me when people dont respect them, an give them the time, patience and care they deserve. If your offended, I understand. All I want is for you to really think about the animals.

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Originally Posted by Johan

No, I want you to leave wild animals in the wild. If you do take them out of the wild, keep them as pets. You dont grab wild animals, keep them until your bored and then release. You show absolutely no compassion for animals. You treat them like bloody rocks for your garden. As such, I will be honest and I think you should move away from animals and collect something else. Animals deserve respect and care, they arent beanie babies. They are not simply collectables. If you are getting into them for money alone, I think you should move on because that is not fair to the animals.

The reason I speak up is because I love ball pythons and all snakes. It really sadens me when people dont respect them, an give them the time, patience and care they deserve. If your offended, I understand. All I want is for you to really think about the animals.

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x2. he should be offended.


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I think this situation is compounded by the cultural differences between countries. It's difficult to understand how a person from another country stands on animal (snake) right issues. I also believe that the OP use of the English lanuage is furthering some resentment. Lastly, I also believe that someone coming into this forum with such a grandiose scheme with what appears to be limited experience tends to throw a flag for most of us.

We have all seen this before and most of the time it's a scam or spam. so we throws up our defenses whenever we hear this kind of story.

If the OP is in fact real and has this kind of money to put out for these animals, we should help him. However, I know of very few breeders with the international shipping experience that can help this person.

Maybe some of the breeders that are more knowledgeable on these matters could jump in and give some insight.

Jim Smith

ok,1st i want to say sorry if i make some of you mad at me.but, i am not joking about what i said earlier just today i already set up my mind.i will spend money on something that i want.no more $33k or 7 burmese that i release to the wild or something like that.i will start again but in small,i already know how to handle bp n all about husbandry.i already ask many thing with my local vet,n i think i am ready to start.after long discussion with my friend,he suggest to me to start with bumblebee n black eye leucistic.so i just need 1 spider,1 pastel n 2 fire + 1 albino to pair with my normal.i already find a rack with ryan help(thank ryan).about the incubator,it too early i think to buy it now or i can learn how to make one myself.

but i still need ur help.if u know any breeder that give good price of the snake that i list below.please inform me.(i try to check the link that ryan give but some of them sell het or they dont have stock right now)

-albino(male)
-spider(male)
-pastel(female)
-fire(male n female)

You do not need an albino to make a bumblebee or Black Eyed Leucistic... And If you had your heart set on a BEL, I'd buy 1 male Fire and 2-3 Fire Female.

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You do not need an albino to make a bumblebee or Black Eyed Leucistic... And If you had your heart set on a BEL, I'd buy 1 male Fire and 2-3 Fire Female.

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Ge doesn't need to buy these, he's got USD$33,000. He should buy what he wants. No need in waiting for a 2nd and 3rd gen breeding program.

Jim Smith

Well he said he wanted to start from the ground up.

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Originally Posted by psychophobia

ok,1st i want to say sorry if i make some of you mad at me.but, i am not joking about what i said earlier just today i already set up my mind.i will spend money on something that i want.no more $33k or 7 burmese that i release to the wild or something like that.i will start again but in small,i already know how to handle bp n all about husbandry.i already ask many thing with my local vet,n i think i am ready to start.after long discussion with my friend,he suggest to me to start with bumblebee n black eye leucistic.so i just need 1 spider,1 pastel n 2 fire + 1 albino to pair with my normal.i already find a rack with ryan help(thank ryan).about the incubator,it too early i think to buy it now or i can learn how to make one myself.

but i still need ur help.if u know any breeder that give good price of the snake that i list below.please inform me.(i try to check the link that ryan give but some of them sell het or they dont have stock right now)

-albino(male)
-spider(male)
-pastel(female)
-fire(male n female)

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did you ask yourself to who you are going to sell these snakes to in the future ? is there a large enough market out there where u are from to be able to make profit ? one thing is for sure is that nobody here is going to buy a bp from a breeder in asia having hundreds of breeders here .shipping cost would cost more that the snake its self .i can already tell you one thing and thats that i think the bp market over there is not enough for you to see profit .

i already mentioned earlier that the albino is to pair with my female normal.not for BEL or bumblebee.so i need to add 1 more female fire on my list.tq.

smith:i dont know if u hate me or not,but please dont start it over again,i just want the opinion from expert.maybe u r the greatest breeder in the world,but please give a new breeder a change to learn something new here n not said something like that.if u dont want to teach me or help me anything,that fine.maybe another breeder will help me.

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i already mentioned earlier that the albino is to pair with my female normal.not for BEL or bumblebee.so i need to add 1 more female fire on my list.tq.

smith:i dont know if u hate me or not,but please dont start it over again,i just want the opinion from expert.maybe u r the greatest breeder in the world,but please give a new breeder a change to learn something new here n not said something like that.if u dont want to teach me or help me anything,that fine.maybe another breeder will help me.

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I'm just trying to figure you out. If you have USD$33,000 why would you want to start from the ground up? Too much time, too much to go wrong. Why not buy what you're interested in breeding and be done with it?

Jim Smith

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did you ask yourself to who you are going to sell these snakes to in the future ? is there a large enough market out there where u are from to be able to make profit ? one thing is for sure is that nobody here is going to buy a bp from a breeder in asia having hundreds of breeders here .shipping cost would cost more that the snake its self .i can already tell you one thing and thats that i think the bp market over there is not enough for you to see profit .

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i know about the market potential here.it not like other country,but it still active.but for limited morphs(cheap) like pastel,spider,albino n fire.not many seller in my country try to breed bp.they just buy from oversea n sale with higher price here.normal bp here is around $100.but when i see normal bp in constrictor unlimited,it just $25.another example,bumblebee is around $1300.i think it must be the reason why no one want to buy bp in asia.

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Originally Posted by psychophobia

i know about the market potential here.it not like other country,but it still active.but for limited morphs(cheap) like pastel,spider,albino n fire.not many seller in my country try to breed bp.they just buy from oversea n sale with higher price here.normal bp here is around $100.but when i see normal bp in constrictor unlimited,it just $25.another example,bumblebee is around $1300.i think it must be the reason why no one want to buy bp in asia.

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if i where u i would use 13000 and leave the rest in my pocket :gj: