Is CB70's to big for Ball Pythons?

Here is my thoughts I know lots of people switching over to 32 qt. as there Adult sized ball python tubs and getting rid of there CB70's what are your thoughts on this?

Lance

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Originally Posted by lance

Here is my thoughts I know lots of people switching over to 32 qt. as there Adult sized ball python tubs and getting rid of there CB70's what are your thoughts on this?

Lance

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I know more people who keep their adults in 41 qt tubs. The 41 qt tub is pretty much the gold standard when it comes to adult ball pythons.

I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on this.........they were promised but never came.

I keep all my females over 1500g in CB-70's. I can't imagine keeping the big girls in anything smaller.

I keep all sub adult females and adult males in 32 qt sweaterbox racks.

I have kept adult females in both 32 and 41 quart tubs. I prefer 41 quart tubs over 32 quart tubs personally, but believe that the balls do not care one-way-or-the-other. I have successfully bred them in both, and did not notice them becoming stressed in either.

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Originally Posted by lance

Here is my thoughts I know lots of people switching over to 32 qt. as there Adult sized ball python tubs and getting rid of there CB70's what are your thoughts on this?

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What are the reasons for the downsizing? I have some 7-800 gram (and growing) bps in my cb70s and they're doing perfectly fine.

Mark

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I know more people who keep their adults in 41 qt tubs. The 41 qt tub is pretty much the gold standard when it comes to adult ball pythons.

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Yup! :gj: Amazon even has it in their description of the product.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/...20b83e811b.jpg

All my females are kept in 41 quarts only my males are kept in 32 quarts and I have not intention if changing this.

I use 41q tubs for my female breeders that are over 2,000 grams. My sub-adults, breeder males and breeder females under 2,000 grams are in 26q tubs. Works great for me.

A cage that a snake thrives in is the right size for it.. no more complex of an answer needed. You probably already know that plenty of people use 32qts as well as 41qts. Despite all online suggestions to the contrary, you can keep ball pythons in 55 gallon screen-top aquariums if you do it right, and they will be happy and live long lives.

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Originally Posted by MarkieJ

Yup! :gj: Amazon even has it in their description of the product.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/...20b83e811b.jpg

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Well look at that!

My question is, is CB70 too SMALL for adults? We tell everyone starting out that 20 gallon tanks are too small for adults, but 70 liters isn't even 20 gallons. 41 liters is closer to 10 gallons.

I have kept babies/subadults in CB70's with no real problems. Sure they have a tremendous amount of clutter and hiding material in each tub since...well they are far to big. But I always say it's better to go a little to big than to small especially for adults who can get decently big.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

My question is, is CB70 too SMALL for adults? We tell everyone starting out that 20 gallon tanks are too small for adults, but 70 liters isn't even 20 gallons. 41 liters is closer to 10 gallons.

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But correct me if I am wrong here a 20 gallon tank has far less floor space than a sweater box because it's sides are so high.


I certainly hope a CB70 isn't to small for adults that would really throw off my plan.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

My question is, is CB70 too SMALL for adults? We tell everyone starting out that 20 gallon tanks are too small for adults, but 70 liters isn't even 20 gallons. 41 liters is closer to 10 gallons.

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The amount it holds isn't as important as the floor space needed for ball pythons.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

My question is, is CB70 too SMALL for adults? We tell everyone starting out that 20 gallon tanks are too small for adults, but 70 liters isn't even 20 gallons. 41 liters is closer to 10 gallons.

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It's 41 quarts. Plus we don't get as concerned as much about volume as we do about area when it comes to ball pythons.

Keeping that in mind:

Floor space of a 41 qt tub is about 578 square inches.

A 28 qt tub is about 352 square inches.

The floor space of a 20 gallon aquarium is about 288 square inches. It's the width on the 20 and 29 gallon aquariums that's tight form adults - 12" or so.

A 30 gallon breeder aquarium is 18" wide and has floor space of 648 square inches.

I keep my breeder females in my cb70. Works great and I've never had any issues with it.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

My question is, is CB70 too SMALL for adults? We tell everyone starting out that 20 gallon tanks are too small for adults, but 70 liters isn't even 20 gallons. 41 liters is closer to 10 gallons.

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It's all about floorspace, and not total volume.

1 US quart = 0.946352946 liters, silly person.

So it's all about the floor space then? Okay.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

1 US quart = 0.946352946 liters, silly person.

So it's all about the floor space then? Okay.

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Yes, unless you have flying BP's.... :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by garweft

Yes, unless you have flying BP's.... :rolleye2:

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Has anyone produced them yet?

The total floor space is what I go by.

I admit I am weird, but I positively HATE how shallow most tubs are that are used for balls. Now, I am not saying people who use them are doing anything wrong, but for me personally I don't like them one bit.

So, after much research and hunting and trouble, I located suitable tubs with nearly identical floorspace but taller by a bit to make me happy. My adult male and sub adult female tubs are actually drawers made by Sterilite that I removed from the stackable frames and fitted to my rack.

They are roughly 24" X 18" X 9" high instead of the standard 6". My snakes all do well in them, and I like them really well. I recently moved my four biggest breeder females into Sterilite 90 quart tubs. They carry the same floor space as the 70's, but are 12" tall. I really would have preferred something not quite as tall, but given the choice between smooshing them into 6" or building a bigger than planned rack for the 12", I went with 12".

Now, I know there are dozens if not hundreds of people who use the 6" tall tubs and there is nothing wrong with that, but for myself and my snakes, I like the taller tubs. :) The point I'm aimlessly trying to make is, by going with floor space measurements, I decided that the almost square drawers I use are basically the same as rectangular 41 quart tubs, and that even though my 90 quarts are taller, they have the same floor space as the 70's.

Gale

it sounds like the majority of u all are digging the 41 quarts guess thats what I will use I want to find something that is what will keep the snakes happy and have sufficient room to live and thrive and get some loving lol.

Lance

OK I went and looked on Amazon, I didn't see anything in the description about it being used to house snakes!

Seems like snakes would be able to get out of this unless you had them in a tight fitting rack. I use the 41 qt boxes with the latches and a metal rack from Lowes.

http://www.wax32.com/cornsnakes/gear...t_adultbin.jpg

http://www.wax32.com/gear/2010_racks2.jpg

That's mostly corns.... the balls sit ON the shelf so they get under belly heat. I actually have TWO of those racks now. One balls, one corns. :D