can anyone tell me if these are good deals?

hi, someone that ive bought from before.. see my other post asking if they were gravid, the females i bought from him.. hes offering me a pastel adult breeder male for 250, an adult spider het pied male for 450, a pinstripe juvenile for 450, a black pastel juvenile for 400 and a pastel female juvenile for 350, ill try to get pics but they arent the best, and any het he has no proof of

To be honest some of the prices confuse me. Pastel seems like a good deal. Havent seen too many adult male spider het pieds for sale, but that seems like a good deal. But 450 for a pin, 400 for a black pastel, and 350 for a pastel, all which are babies seems to be a bit much, regardless if theyre male or female. Thats just my opinion though... I havent seen the snakes, so thats the best I can answer for you.

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To be honest some of the prices confuse me. Pastel seems like a good deal. Havent seen too many adult male spider het pieds for sale, but that seems like a good deal. But 450 for a pin, 400 for a black pastel, and 350 for a pastel, all which are babies seems to be a bit much, regardless if theyre male or female. Thats just my opinion though... I havent seen the snakes, so thats the best I can answer for you.

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well i dont know if the het pied is worth it, i mean you have to have another het pied for anything to come out pied to know for sure if he is accually het for pied, right? or am i wrong?
and he showed me the pics they all look kinda plain to me, ill get them off my phone and post them

Hi,

Honest advice?

Don't buy any more until you have the housing sorted out for the ones you already have.


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you need to learn to properly care for the ones you have already before you go an get more. its only going to be harder to care for them. and it seems like you are pretty new to BP's and only care about breeding already. you are going to learn a lesson the hardway my freind. and your animals will pay for it

and yes i have read your other threads

Do you need to buy those animals, and if so why?

I would think given your latest thread http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...=1#post1508946 that you might want to hold off on any new addition and concentrate on your current problems and husbandry issues.

Research, research, research be a successful owner with what you already have and than consider other animals, do not buy animals just because you might get a good deal (which is not really anyway)

Not picking on you making sure you are getting a good start and a successful experience as a keeper.

Reading both your threads, I would relax and just stop buying snakes. Seems to me like your new to this and your trying to go WAY to fast. Just relax and get what you already have sorted out.

Good thing about snakes is they live a LONG time, and this hobby/profession whatever you want it to be is going to be around a LONG time, so you reallllly don't have to have to build a whole collection in a week, haha snakes aren't going anywhere! :D

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Reading both your threads, I would relax and just stop buying snakes. Seems to me like your new to this and your trying to go WAY to fast. Just relax and get what you already have sorted out.

Good thing about snakes is they live a LONG time, and this hobby/profession whatever you want it to be is going to be around a LONG time, so you reallllly don't have to have to build a whole collection in a week, haha snakes aren't going anywhere! :D

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I would have to agree I mean you really need to make sure you have the funds first. I saved up for about 3-4mons then started researching asking alot of questions getting a general base. I have everything all my snakes need money set aside for them incase of an emergency.

I currently have 5 right now and I could go out and buy 2-3 more but I wouldn't it would be to fast and then it would be less time away from each of them.


Just please really taking into consideration what everyone is saying because this board has so much knowledge you just need to be open minded.

Ok here's my .02 :D. I have been lurking your posts for the last few days and I would like to start off by saying that I'm pretty noone here is trying to discourage you from keeping or breeding ball pythons. I know it seems some people have come down on you hard in response to some of your posts but something you should understand is that most of us here have a true passion for these animals and we want to make sure they are cared for correctly.

We all understand the addiction and the desire to own every morph out there but it's way worse to buy that beautiful morph and have it die in your care then to simply hold off on purchasing it until you have it's new home set up and environment spot on.

If you can afford to spend 400+ on a snake then go to Lowes or Home Depot and for around 200 you can build a rack to hold several with heat and a thermostat. If you need help figuring it out there are some great stickys on the DIY forum or you can ask here or just PM me and I will help you all I can.

I love this hobby and I want encourage new people to get involved in it but not at the expense of the animals lives or health. I will be happy to help in anyway I can and answer any questions I can. I hope this helps. Have fun and good luck! :)

You want to buy 2 more snakes? And put them in the take wit the other 3? 5 snake tank? *facepalm*

im not taking any advice badly, wether its a bit harsh or not, im taking it all in and i wasnt asking so i could buy them i was asking to know if this guy is giving me any good deals at all, hes the same one that sold me the skinny snake, wich is why im asking.

I appreciate everyones help and the first thing im doing when i get paid is buying housing, ive been doing research the entire time im on the computer on getting the rite humidity and heat for the snakes in tubs, i still think the heat tape will melt the plastic, no one ever replied about that part, and i am trying to get the best for these snake, yes im new to ball pythons and semi new to snakes in general but i do love them, im not here just to breed them, if it happens it happens, it would be a beautiful thing if they were gravid, and if they were i already have my eyes set on incubators and hatch rite.

I am in no way intentionally trying to hurt these animals, i enjoy holding them and seeing them calm and never hiding their heads, im learning and im searching for the supplies i will be getting, yeah i wasnt prepared money wise, since i spend 200 on tanks and 400 on the 3 snakes, i understand i could have gotten them much more comfortable housing for that much, but before i didnt know that. Wich is why i found this site.

Think about it, if all i thought about was breeding them i wouldnt have posted that i was worried about my snake, i wouldnt have changed their housing with hides when i was advised to, i wouldnt care that my snake feels guilty for biting the other, i wouldnt even be posting after some things that have been said, but i am here, im still posting, and im not yelling and being irrational about whats being said to me, im accepting it because its true, i would rather ask experienced people like everyone here then believe something the shop owner tells me the first time im told.

He also told me its a good thing to feed ball pythons quail, is that true? i mean, there are only a couple reptile shops around where i live and so far both are BS apparently.

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You want to buy 2 more snakes? And put them in the take wit the other 3? 5 snake tank? *facepalm*

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no, im accually looking into a 10 tub high freedom breeder snake rack before i look at more, read my reply before this for more info on the snakes

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i still think the heat tape will melt the plastic, no one ever replied about that part, .....

He also told me its a good thing to feed ball pythons quail, is that true? i mean, there are only a couple reptile shops around where i live and so far both are BS apparently.

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Heat tape will not melt plastic tubs if the heat is controlled by a proper thermostat.

Also, I was just reading that smaller Ball Pythons do eat birds in the wild but I have never heard of any keeper (at least not yet) that feeds birds to a captive BP. Mice/Rats/ASFs seem to be the norm.

I wouldnt spend to much money on a premade rack there are alot simpler ways n cheaper.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...5/DSCN0956.jpg

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He also told me its a good thing to feed ball pythons quail, is that true? i mean, there are only a couple reptile shops around where i live and so far both are BS apparently.

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You will find this is the case with most animal shops. Animals are usually treated as just items, money, etc. They will do whatever they can to make a sale. Can't afford two cages? Don't worry they love to be social of course~! ;) Other times they are simply given bad information, and then the cycle continues as they give new owners bad information etc.

I don't suggest feeding ball pythons quail. The problem is, if they decide they like quail....They might never eat rats again. And quail will be a lot more expensive and difficult to find than rats. You don't want your bp to be spoiled on a difficult food item to get!

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You will find this is the case with most animal shops. Animals are usually treated as just items, money, etc. They will do whatever they can to make a sale. Can't afford two cages? Don't worry they love to be social of course~! ;) Other times they are simply given bad information, and then the cycle continues as they give new owners bad information etc.

I don't suggest feeding ball pythons quail. The problem is, if they decide they like quail....They might never eat rats again. And quail will be a lot more expensive and difficult to find than rats. You don't want your bp to be spoiled on a difficult food item to get!

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yeah your right, i hadnt thought about the picky eater thing, i really wouldnt want that to happen, rats are much easier to get, even though the shop who told me about them has a constant supply of them.

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I wouldnt spend to much money on a premade rack there are alot simpler ways n cheaper.

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that is a very nice set up, sadly even if i want to do that i dont know where to start, i have shelves and a white plastic shelf like thing but nothing i would think would be able to handle heat.

your heat source will be controlled so everything will only be exposed to heat in the low to mid 90's. and it will not melt anything or cause ny issue, atleast not for a long time. also make sure the rack you are looking at are not too big for your snakes, they need appropriately sized tubs

I understand your addiction. I started with one snake that my boyfriend bought me cause his parents wouldn't let him have one at their house. He bought one and he bought me one. We started with aquariums that housed multiple baby snakes. We never had a problem. Each snake had its own hide and we fed in a different enclosure. Aquariums are a pain to clean. Racks are much easier. Eventually we got a rack. He built a rack that will hold 32 41Qt tubs for around $350. The reason why it was so expensive is because it is set up with 2 thermostats. (One as a back up in case one goes bad) Well long story short. He bought lots and lots of snakes than lost interest. We broke up. I bought everything off of him. I took care of them all from the start. I knew what I was getting into. I'm a proud owner of 26 ball pythons and over 100 rats. LOL. I might have started with different mutations, but I love all my snakes.

The only thing that you can do is learn as much as you can! 2 great books that are a must have are VIP book and Kevin McCurleys book! They are great to read!

The rack that I posted costed 70$ for the rack at homedept. I moved the shelfs to the heights I wanted. Only thing with a metal rack is your just need to buy everything that is grounded. Other then that I have had no problem. I use belly heat and front heat on the ceiling of each shelf. I set the back at 87-90 range while I keep the top to make it so it never drops below 75. I did that to help with the temp drops I deal with in Maine. I cant wait to see a really shed in my rack with the right temps and humidty.

Also cleaing a tub I cant even explain how easy they are. I used to own 3 50 gallon and switching to tubs really lets you put the full care that is needed for these creatures.