Really cheap bumblebee

Just wanted to start by saying, I have no intention of purchasing this snake. My friend just texted me and said that a local reptile store has a bumblebee for sale for $125. I asked if she'd gotten any pictures of the snake and she said no, but that she had seen it in person and held it. His reason for selling it at such a low price....he has too many he says. I'm still floored. Bumblebees normally sell for a few hundred. He breeds them and says he's selling a few for really cheap because he has too many and wants to sell them.

So your thoughts? Do breeders sell their animals for really cheap to move them faster if they have "too many"?

I would, when I start to fully produce BELs I plan to sell them at dramatically low prices simply because I'm not in it for the money.

Just because you are not in it for the money, does not mean you have to cut your prices like crazy. I'm not into breeding snakes for the money either but I will sell my snakes at normal market price. And also, when you slash the prices like that you tend to help bring the market down for those who are trying to make a little money to help support their snake habit.

I would think that her may be "in a bind" one way or another. Either he needs more cash flow or more space? It would be worth looking at;)

If I brought in one more snake, my husband would kill me. I've already bought my dinker, and rescued a corn snake. Not to mention, I need to buy more racks so I have space for more snakes, otherwise, I might consider sneaking him home. But I just feel like there might be something wrong with him. $125 just seems so cheap.

Wouldnt hut for you and hubby to "go check the place out":D Then decide from there.
I'm sure you could convince him to let you have just one more:cool:

on the other tread we where just talking about cheap bee. I would wonder what kind of color it is going to have as it grows up. It seems fishes to me. always trust your gut. How old is it and does it eat ect. Flags are flying with me

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by rdoyle

How old is it and does it eat ect. Flags are flying with me

---

That is one reason I never "meet" anyone anyplace other than their breeding area, be it their home or where ever. I want to also see the conditions their animals a kept in. If they dont want me in their (home) then they dont want my money in their wallet.

I agree, that does help bring the market price down for morphs!

I wasn't planning on buying him and I'm going to pass on him. If I want a bumblebee I'm going to go out and find one that is stunning. I have asked for a picture of the snake since I can't go to the store to see it, so If I get a picture of it, I'll let you guys know how it looks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by boyyoyo

I would, when I start to fully produce BELs I plan to sell them at dramatically low prices simply because I'm not in it for the money.

---

You do realize it does cost money to breed right? Not many of us are in it just for the money, but what's the point in selling them for "dramatically" low prices??? If you're just into giving away money, I'd be glad to send you my address and you can send me all that extra cash you have lying around...

Keep in mind it's gonna cost for incubators, thermostats, tubs, racks, feeders, substrate, electricity to run it all...your time...etc...

For that price I don´t want to see the bees...
It´s a shame what some people do!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

That is one reason I never "meet" anyone anyplace other than their breeding area, be it their home or where ever. I want to also see the conditions their animals a kept in. If they dont want me in their (home) then they dont want my money in their wallet.

---

I don't agree with that 100%.... A lot of people keep small expensive collections in their home. If they invite you in, you know what they have and where you live. A lot of people don't offer home tours for that reason. I'm one of them. If I've got animals to sell or trade I meet in a neutral location. I don't want strangers in my house, I'm sorry.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by cinderbird

I don't agree with that 100%.... A lot of people keep small expensive collections in their home. If they invite you in, you know what they have and where you live. A lot of people don't offer home tours for that reason. I'm one of them. If I've got animals to sell or trade I meet in a neutral location. I don't want strangers in my house, I'm sorry.

---

That is where I dont worry, between the security system, video system, dogs, and the fact that all my neighbors know I'm the crazy neighbor. Trust is a big thing to me but I dont trust people in my house. They will get caught. On the flip side, I dont trust people I buy things from either. I have seen and been in too many horror stories. I tend to trust a little if someone doesn't mind me knowing where they live (or location of items for purchase). You know what I am getting at. To add, with animals people can say they live like kings but I want to see it for myself.;)

Perhaps it has a severe wobble? Last show I was at someone was selling a proven male spider at 1000 grams for $100 due to a severe wobble. He was beautiful, but his wobble was ridicules. It was almost inhumane to watch it live like that.

I'd be really, really wary of that. That deal just seems a little too god to be true.

He says he has "too many". To many bees ? If so, how many bee producing pairs does he have and if he can't sell them why breed them ? Too many babies in general ? So, why not sell the cheap stuff first ?

I just would not trust this at all. And if, by some long shot, it is just what he says it is, knowing he is driving good breeders under by cutting his prices so low would make me not want to buy from him anyway.

Gale

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl

That is one reason I never "meet" anyone anyplace other than their breeding area, be it their home or where ever. I want to also see the conditions their animals a kept in. If they dont want me in their (home) then they dont want my money in their wallet.

---

Then you are severly limiting yourself to animals that are available by doing that. Very few people are allowed into my home that I don't know. And I also don't know whether the person I'm allowing into my home has sick animals at home and what they may be carrying in on their clothes. Mites are just ONE of the worries, airborne diseases are others. Protection of the health of my collection comes first and foremost.

Most breeders I know are very protective of there homes, they simply do not want people coming over to chat it is too intrusive in the home life. I also know breeders that get into a bind and need to reduce the available animals quickly, like 2010s to make room for the new hatchlings in the incubator. Or a new baby and just can't spend most of a day a week cleaning and want to reduce the numbers so they have to go. They also could be selling bad feeders, snakes in contact with IBD or something else. It isn't a red flag for me but it all comes down to the reputation of the breeder. A breeder with a good reputation is very unlikely tying to scam anyone and has some reason for reducing the collection, ask them. A poor reputation breeder I personally will not buy from period, there is too much that rests on simple trusting the breeder and if you have a rep for being untrustworthy I am not going to risk my animals health on that ever.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Just because you are not in it for the money, does not mean you have to cut your prices like crazy. I'm not into breeding snakes for the money either but I will sell my snakes at normal market price. And also, when you slash the prices like that you tend to help bring the market down for those who are trying to make a little money to help support their snake habit.

---

I care more about the people receiving the babies that I produce than I care about those who are trying to turn a profit.

I've given away every single crested gecko baby I've produced. I don't plan on selling any until I produce trophy animals.

A few years back I had someone come over to pick up a snake I was selling. Deal went smoothly and I went about my day.... Later that night he showed back up, drunk, with a few friends who were interested in getting snakes too. They were harmless, but situations like that can get ugly.

I quickly adopted the meet somewhere routine.

It an each his own thing.
Do I expect to be invited on first meet?
Will I buy on first meet?
No I do not and will not.

Will I buy from someone (small breeder) that doesnt have a business location or a place I know I can find them IF something goes wrong?
NO.

As stated I trust no one and I expect the same in return.
This is just the type of person I have become.

***long story short.........I use to deal guns on a daily basis (not a lot of the cheap junk you can buy in a store) and I almost got screwed into federal time because I wanted this Colt Combat Commander. I bought it without getting my buddy to run the numbers. I was hot to trot for it because I have 2 that are one serial number apart and believe it or not this gun was the one in the middle!! Yeah me, till I had the numbers run and found out it was way hotter than anything I ever touched! Ballistics came back on 9 different bodies as a POSITIVE MATCH. Guess what, not one print anywhere but mine. Also the ID I got copied from the guy was fake. (Yes we met at a kinkos so both IDs could be copied on the spot if I wanted the gun.) Needless to say, this guy was nowhere to be found and I am out a little over 5k for something I wanted to add to my collection. I know the gun was destroyed because I was the one in the armory that cut it in half.***

Since then my trust in people changed and my gut always comes first. If I cannot see and feel it for myself. I dont need it.

Honestly, I never trust low prices again. If it's low like that, it might be too good to be true. That happened to me once and it sucks when stuff happens.

At the Tucson show I bought a female Pinstripe. She was a picky eater, kind of skinny, but a beautiful example of a Pinstripe. No picture I took could capture her color so she just looks dark in most pictures. At the show I held her and checked her out thoroughly. She seemed just fine and I've dealt with so many picky eaters of different species. Her husbandry was perfect, too.

I only got her to eat once, by assist feeding. After that she never ate anything. Two months after I got her she died. I've been wanting a Pinstripe for a REALLY long time and I was so excited to have her. I got her for $180 and female Pins, if I'm not mistaken, are still worth about $300 more or less.

So I'd think about this one if I were you. If it's tempting, then I guess take a good look at it. But you never know:(.

"Cheap snakes usually aren't good, and good snakes usually aren't cheap!" :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AGoldReptiles

"Cheap snakes usually aren't good, and good snakes usually aren't cheap!" :D

---

This is not always true. I got my female woma for 150 and in my opinion she is one of the best looking womas I have ever seen.

you have to earn trust, that comes over time. people i dont trust are not allowed in my home. i dont need or want the money that bad. as stated quality animals arent cheep.

I would take a look at it and ask if you can see the parents to see how browned out the pastel is since he is the breeder. If the pastel looks good then I would buy the bee because it is a store and you can always go back to the store if you have problems!

I got a response from my email and I won't be doing business with this store anymore. He replied that it was a joke. He was teasing his friend who produced the bumblebee by stating he was "going to sell it at a ridiculous price" and that $125 was not the real price for the python. In my opinion this is not a good way to do business. He was also making sexist comments in the store in front of many female customers the last time I was there. Well at least now I know how NOT to conduct business.

Well, at least it has come to light. Like everyone else said, if a deal is too good to be true, it probably is. People who think others are dumb are indeed the dumbest themselves.

Good thing to know.. I wouldn't buy from that guy either..

There are threads here and elsewhere that show how bad your rep can be hurt when you corner the market and sell lower than everyone else. It makes no sense anyway. I have a couple 2010 babies I haven't even listed yet because they are such picky eaters. If I really wanted to harm myself I could just sell them rock bottom and say oh well..

Not good business.