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  • 01-29-2011, 10:47 PM
    Bellabob
    Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    I volenteer for a zoo in my area and once they get this reptile house up for the reptile collection I'm going to be the one to clean, feed, and disinfect the enclosures of all the non venomous snakes. There are a lot of enclosures, and I don't really have time to take each one, go the the hose, clean it, put it back, put everything back in the cage...etc. Is there any cleaning solution that would go in a spray bottle? As in put it in the bottle, spray the cage, wipe it down, and thats it.

    Thanks.
  • 01-29-2011, 10:56 PM
    Strange_Evil
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    You could use zoo med wipe out 1, that is what i use to clean my enclosures and it works really good. Just spray wait 5minutes and then wipe out. The only down side to it is that to clean out a multiple amount of enclosures it might get a bit pricey. You prob should go with something a bit stronger though if it is for bigger snakes like retics and Burms.

    Here is a link to it
    http://www.petmountain.com/product/t...m-cleaner.html
  • 01-29-2011, 11:03 PM
    Bellabob
    I have more of a home made solution in mind.
  • 01-29-2011, 11:03 PM
    2kdime
    For something on a large scale like that

    Go for F10 disinfectant or Trifectant

    Or about as "home made" as it gets....

    10% Bleach and 90% water seems to work too
  • 01-29-2011, 11:16 PM
    Bellabob
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2kdime View Post
    For something on a large scale like that

    Go for F10 disinfectant or Trifectant

    Or about as "home made" as it gets....

    10% Bleach and 90% water seems to work too

    The 10 percent bleach and 90 percent water is ok to spray and wipe down right?
  • 01-29-2011, 11:20 PM
    RichsBallPythons
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bellabob View Post
    The 10 percent bleach and 90 percent water is ok to spray and wipe down right?

    Yes depending if the bleach smell is still strong when left behind.

    I use chlorohexidine and its safe to use on the snake as well.

    F10 i have used and personally think it dont do well at all. Doesn't relieve the cages of its odor very well at all. For its price NOT WORTH IT.
  • 01-29-2011, 11:46 PM
    j_h_smith
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bellabob View Post
    I volenteer for a zoo in my area and once they get this reptile house up for the reptile collection I'm going to be the one to clean, feed, and disinfect the enclosures of all the non venomous snakes. There are a lot of enclosures, and I don't really have time to take each one, go the the hose, clean it, put it back, put everything back in the cage...etc. Is there any cleaning solution that would go in a spray bottle? As in put it in the bottle, spray the cage, wipe it down, and thats it.

    Thanks.

    I think I would ask whoever will be in charge of the reptiles, what they want you to do/use. That would be my advice to you.

    Jim Smith
  • 01-29-2011, 11:49 PM
    steveboos
    Yeah use whatever the Zoo recommends, not what a bunch of different people on here say.

    If it was me, i would buy Chlorhexadine by the case and just use it. I've only used maybe 1/32 of my gallon in the last 3 months and i have a good amount of snakes! I just love the fact that it smells good and cleans up everything very well.
  • 01-30-2011, 01:49 AM
    BPelizabeth
    I use cholrohexadine personally but I agree you need to ask the staff.
  • 01-30-2011, 02:19 AM
    kitedemon
    There is no magic, spray it on and poof it is clean. It just doesn't work that way to disinfect a cage it needs to be clean first. No dirt, poo, pee, crud, or anything thing else it must be spotless. Then the disinfectant kills the microbes on the surface you can't see. Elbow grease and then after things are done spray wait and wipe out, there are no short cuts. Having a hose handy sound easy enough to me!

    I personally can empty everything put it to soak in hot water, vacuum the enclosure, then go scrub the cage furniture (lots of plants hides and stuff) then steam clean the cage wipe it down repeat that and then go back to the sink and rinse the cage furniture, spray it with Chlorohexidine. Back to the enclosure one last steam clean, and wipe down, spray with Chlorahexidine. Wipe off the cage furniture and squeegee the glass off, return everything to the cage wipe it down dry everything off and refill with new substrate and replace everything, and add the snake and lock it back up.

    IN 35 MINETS and the sink is a stupid bathroom one. Get a system and find a rhythm and go for it, tunes help but I look forward to it.
  • 01-30-2011, 08:33 AM
    sho220
    Chlorhexidine! :gj:
  • 01-30-2011, 08:43 AM
    2kdime
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    The thing is, how much of a disinfection do you want to do?

    Chlorhexidine is good stuff, but it doesnt kill hardly anything.

    I like the F10 and Trifectant because it kills the really nasty stuff

    Not even the more expensive Nolvasan aka Chlorhexidine Diacetate will kill the ever popular Pseudomonas infections which are a typical bacteria found in Respiratory Infections.

    Long story short, Chlorhexidine Gluconate, the cheaper stuff, will work in between your heavy cleanings, but for my own piece of mind, Id use something tougher every once in a while.
  • 01-30-2011, 09:17 AM
    sho220
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2kdime View Post
    The thing is, how much of a disinfection do you want to do?

    Chlorhexidine is good stuff, but it doesnt kill hardly anything.

    I like the F10 and Trifectant because it kills the really nasty stuff

    Not even the more expensive Nolvasan aka Chlorhexidine Diacetate will kill the ever popular Pseudomonas infections which are a typical bacteria found in Respiratory Infections.

    Long story short, Chlorhexidine Gluconate, the cheaper stuff, will work in between your heavy cleanings, but for my own piece of mind, Id use something tougher every once in a while.

    Weird...I've been using it for years with no issues....everything I've read and heard seems to jive with what's posted here: http://www.edmontonreptiles.com/foru...ad.php?t=18489

    Do you have any links that contradict that info? I've searched and haven't been able to find much info...or at least info I could understand...

    This seems to be the general consensus..."Chlorhexidine Gluconate, exceptionally persistent and broad spectrum antimicrobial properties have led to its recognition as the most effective agent available for surgical scrubbing, hand washing, patient pre-op prepping and skin wound cleansing." Seems like it would clean a tub fairly well...?
  • 01-30-2011, 10:01 AM
    TheWinWizard
    That's mighty expensive for it. I get it for 13 bucks a gallon.
  • 01-30-2011, 10:51 AM
    OhhWatALoser
    I just use white vinegar
  • 01-30-2011, 10:52 AM
    sho220
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    I just use white vinegar

    mmmm...NC BBQ!
  • 01-30-2011, 12:31 PM
    kitedemon
    Re: Is there anyway to disinfect a reptile cage without moving the cage?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2kdime View Post
    The thing is, how much of a disinfection do you want to do?

    Chlorhexidine is good stuff, but it doesnt kill hardly anything.

    I like the F10 and Trifectant because it kills the really nasty stuff

    Not even the more expensive Nolvasan aka Chlorhexidine Diacetate will kill the ever popular Pseudomonas infections which are a typical bacteria found in Respiratory Infections.

    Long story short, Chlorhexidine Gluconate, the cheaper stuff, will work in between your heavy cleanings, but for my own piece of mind, Id use something tougher every once in a while.

    Sorry for the small bit of a hijack here...

    Can you give me a reference to this? I can't find anything that supports your statement. I am well aware of the importance of the CHGs concentration but my understanding is that even at lower concentrations it was effective against a grab bag of nasties (why it is use in many hospitals as a surgical scrub)

    I can find lots of references where it is used in products but little when used on its own.

    I would be very very interested in your information sources. (chem geek sorry)

    Here is things I am finding...
    http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retri...95670195901523
    that is at 4% which is hard to get and makes it wicked expensive... 70$ a gal.

    http://www.ecolabhealthcare.com/docs/Endure_400_PSD.pdf
    This is actually the soap I use. during my monthly cleaning again 4%

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15655906
    This is a Japanese study that is at very low % but the time is a big factor.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8486975
    another Japanese study about developing resistance to CHG which seems low.

    This is far from solid support but it leads me to feel that CHG is actually fairly good but that is an assumption based on incomplete information I am not arguing with you at all, I just don't have enough information to make any kind of informed statement, I hope you can pass along a reference so I can read more on the matter.

    Alex
  • 01-30-2011, 12:42 PM
    kitedemon
    TheWinWizard that is a canadian price it is a controlled product here so you can't just buy it off the shelf it needs to come from lab supplies or medical supplies and you need to be from an institution to buy from them. Exclusive is the only place in the country that I have found where you can just buy it. I think they are a dealer for a vet supply line. That is why it is so much here and if you order it from the USA it can get seised.

    OhhWatALoser vinegar isn't that bad it works but it is slow it needs some time 10 min of contact to do a lot but it is fairly effective and works well against salmonella. If the surface can be heated it is even better. I use it in water dishes sometimes.
  • 01-30-2011, 12:51 PM
    TessadasExotics
    You can find Chlorhexidine for as low as $9-13 per gallon on amazon.com
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