1st breeding attempt

ok so i have 22 ball pythons but only 3 are big enough to breed but only one female. so i was paring my pastel male with my female but also lending him to my friend, how many days of a brake should i give him between girls?

So your snake breeds your female and than goes breed with your friends snake and no quarantine?

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Originally Posted by deborah

so your snake breeds your female and than goes breed with your friends snake and no quarantine?

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Oh my!!!!!, first off if your friend wanted his female bred, he should have sent her to to your place, she should be put through quarantine. It really isn't good practice to send your animal off like that :colbert:

I always give them 3 days together unless I see a lock then I seperate after and I give them 4 days off as it works with my weekly feeding schedule.

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Originally Posted by seeya205

I always give them 3 days together unless I see a lock then I seperate after and I give them 4 days off as it works with my weekly feeding schedule.

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thanks

why would the female come to me? with every other animal except dogs you send the male to the female?

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Originally Posted by Steveoo

why would the female come to me? with every other animal except dogs you send the male to the female?

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Because the male is breeding in your house to your snakes and shouldn't be exposed to anyone else's collection and then your collection again without quarantine.

I think with the constant moving of your male, to different tubs, with different temp, he has to be a real stud to get both females gravid.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Because the male is breeding in your house to your snakes and shouldn't be exposed to anyone else's collection and then your collection again without quarantine.

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Apparently you have 22 BP and what amazes me is that you are willing to jeopardize every single one of them by not practicing any quarantine procedure :confused:

Not sure if you are serious about breeding not sure practice your plans are in the future but proper quarantine practice must be learned and used for the sake or your collection and if you want to be taken seriously.

I have a female on a loan right now and I can tell you that for 3 months she was in quarantine before being moved to my snake room.

Is it I do not trust the person? No this person is a dear friend and I trust her however this is just how I roll :cool: no snake come near my collection before at least 90 days.

Does it offend the person who has her female on a loan with me? I don't think so it's proper practice and I know she would do the same if things were reversed and I would not expect any less.

Learn now before you end up learning the hard way :gj:

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

I think with the constant moving of your male, to different tubs, with different temp, he has to be a real stud to get both females gravid.

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are you saying he wont lock, or he'll lock and not have anything happen?
because he has had no prob locking

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Originally Posted by Steveoo

are you saying he wont lock, or he'll lock and not have anything happen?
because he has had no prob locking

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More of a health issue to the rest of your snakes than anything.:O

ok i understand the proper resting is needed for the snakes, and i can understand keeping them sepraret but i don't have the place to keep a snake other than the one room, and what types of things are you preventing by keeping them away for 90 days?
im not trying to be a smart :tp: or anything just trying to learn why you do the things you do

Super huge bad things like IBD which could kill an entire ball collection in a matter of months. As well as Mites which sucks to get rid if if they get into your collection. Getting things in could be as easy as touching one snake and then touching another wo washing hands. Things like that require careful qt

ibd can only be spread by mites and i alway use P.A.M on the enclosure before bring a new snake into the room, or when i get them back. so ok one snake gets ibd i try to always wash my hand between animals anyway so again tell me the reasoning for quarantine
and if an animal has ibd dose it always show in 90 days or less or could it be "sleeping" on the animal for a year or so?

IBD is not just spread by mites…It’s a communicable disease that can be spread a lot of different ways…Breeding being one of them…Pythons cannot live very long with IBD.

You also need to quarantine to make sure there is no RI, which could also spread to your whole collection.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

It could be very stressful shuffling your male around and he may not breed for you at all…IMO it's not worth the risk to the animal(s).

IBD doesn't sleep in balls like in can in boas. As well as there are many ways it can spread mites included. A whole ball collection would be dead in a matter of a couple months. I think IMHO that no animal is worth dying over being impatient. Qt is important I learned that myself when I first started keeping different herps. And it really sucks to learn the hard way. Parasites is also spread in possible breeding conditions. Males will scent and sometimes pee or defecate in the presence of a female and let's not forget they poop whenever they want. Boom potential parasite infestation if a new animal gives your male parasites and you not being careful give it to the rest of your collection. You could have a lot of $ in vet bills and potential loss of animals. Do you think your 22 balls want to go through that? Not everyone is aware or cares of the health issues these animals can potentially have. Protecting yourself is protecting your collection. It's not a bad thing or even pointless to qt. IMHO it's one of the most important things of having a strong healthy and successful colony. Even though you may get away with not qt-ing for now it will catch up with you eventually. Whatever disease gets in just might take everything with it.

Read this... It'll make you think twice about qt.
http://www.anapsid.org/deanne.html

ok so than how or where do you keep your bps when in quarantine? theres only one room in my house that stay about 65 all year around, and keeping a ball python in those temps it just asking for ri or death?
so my question is how would i go about keeping a bp in one of those rooms? make a small rack with heat tape on every side?
how do you guys keep your quarantined bps?

Tanks w/UTH and lights if needed;)

I've got a whole room dedicated on the first floor of my house for only qts. No room temp house is ever going to be warm enough without extra heat. So I use tubs and uth's and thermos for any balls that are in qt. Easy clean easy to heat. My qt room doesn't have any other herps in it so it doesn't stay as warm as the other rooms. It's probably around 65 we try and keep our heat down bc oil is outrageous. But that just means all have 24 hr heat. Hence why I like uth's and heat cord.

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

IBD is not just spread by mites…It’s a communicable disease that can be spread a lot of different ways…Breeding being one of them…Pythons cannot live very long with IBD.

You also need to quarantine to make sure there is no RI, which could also spread to your whole collection.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=220629

It could be very stressful shuffling your male around and he may not breed for you at all…IMO it's not worth the risk to the animal(s).

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Wow that is scary. I never new such a bad RI existed. I don't have a separate building for quarantine, only a different room. It makes me afraid to add anything to my collection:O

You'll be okay as long as you follow the qt rules. Having a separate room is great. That's how I do it. I do my collection animals first and then go to the qt room. After that I sterilize my hands. If anyone has touched my clothes I change those too. Adding animals to the collection is a great thing. But it's important to remember that there's things that can truely hurt them if the careful qt measures arent taken.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

Read this... It'll make you think twice about qt.
http://www.anapsid.org/deanne.html

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I have a new collection and this almost made my heart stop. This should really be stickied if it isn't already.

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Originally Posted by Homegrownscales

Read this... It'll make you think twice about qt.
http://www.anapsid.org/deanne.html

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I cried just readind this....


Hope you have better luck with your 22 balls with out QT.... :colbert:

I honestly think that if you aren't sure of proper QT procedures, or even how diseases travel between animals, you really should back up and make sure you have these things down cold before you begin breeding. Proper knowledge of the animal is a must when raising youngsters. What if you have a hatchling that won't feed? What if you have a youngster get RI and you don't know how it gets passed around? What if the dreaded IBD makes its way into your collection, and not only does it wipe out your 22 ball pythons but also the babies you've produced? You're taking a huge risk by doing this the way you are. A minimum of 30 days quarantine should be practiced at least, if not the 90 day quarantine that's truly recommended. Even 30 days would be better than nothing though.

I've got some animals loaned out to a friend for breeding projects, but I know her and know how she cares for her collection, or I wouldn't have even considered it. Did she quarantine my animals before breeding? Absolutely, and I am not the slightest bit offended. I would do the same for her or anyone else, despite the fact that I trust her. I have even flat out told my customers who are still relatively new to snakes to quarantine the ones they've bought from me before introducing to any others in their collection. Do I think I sold them an unhealthy animal? Absolutely not, but quaratine is always the best habit to practice, regardless of who the animal comes from. Would I quarantine aniamls from the little guy selling a few animals online? Yep. Would I quarantine animals from any of the big breeders? You betcha. Everything that comes in gets quarantined.

That is how you protect yourself, your animals and any potential buyers. One who doesnt practices qt and sells animals could wipe out others' collections as well. Just from emotional and financial damages you could have serious lawsuits. Plus the fact one could literally loose everything. It's a safety measure to protect your animals and the community. If you do plan on breeding this is something that you already should have been practicing. If you haven't it's smart and necessary to start now. Dealing with exotics comes exotic viruses and disease and having a large collection means alot of ways these can be transferred. Not only is qt extremely important but it's the sign of a good and serious breeder that cares for their collection and had respect for the rest of the community. It's important to keep up and research diseases that can potentially cause alot of damage as well as the medical issues that may not. An educated breeder is a good breeder.

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Originally Posted by SnakeGirl3

I honestly think that if you aren't sure of proper QT procedures, or even how diseases travel between animals, you really should back up and make sure you have these things down cold before you begin breeding. Proper knowledge of the animal is a must when raising youngsters. What if you have a hatchling that won't feed? What if you have a youngster get RI and you don't know how it gets passed around? What if the dreaded IBD makes its way into your collection, and not only does it wipe out your 22 ball pythons but also the babies you've produced?

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This is my thought exactly.

You seem to be lacking alot of simple knowledge that anyone breeding snakes should already undserstand. Some of the questions you have asked should be considered common sense once you begin the breeding process. I'm not trying to deter you in anyway (this is my first season too), but I have read tons of websites and books and feel I am ready for just about anything thrown at me. I would suggest doing a little more research :gj:.

now iv already read a lot and done my research my questions aren't because i don't know what "some" people say i want to know what ppl on here think, iv already had young ball pythons that wouldn't eat and iv had mites and iv seen ri and this isn't my 1st year owning a ball python. im sorry you think im not supposed to be breeding or owning these snakes but i do know more than your make me out to be, so though i asked a question don't treat me like i don't know anything. no afence but everyone will always have more to learn and even the big breeds learn new things all the time. im on this forum for knowledge not because i don't know enough to have a "pet" snake. so though there was a question you should jump to conclusions to how much someone might know

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Originally Posted by Steveoo

now iv already read a lot and done my research my questions aren't because i don't know what "some" people say i want to know what ppl on here think, iv already had young ball pythons that wouldn't eat and iv had mites and iv seen ri and this isn't my 1st year owning a ball python. im sorry you think im not supposed to be breeding or owning these snakes but i do know more than your make me out to be, so though i asked a question don't treat me like i don't know anything. no afence but everyone will always have more to learn and even the big breeds learn new things all the time. im on this forum for knowledge not because i don't know enough to have a "pet" snake. so though there was a question you should jump to conclusions to how much someone might know

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You act like you are being attacked us (not my intention anyway). We are only making some points based on info provided in this thread. People here are very helpful/knowledgeable and we only know what you tell us about yourself.

BTW...having mites and RI's isn't a good thing. These things can happen to anyone (thank god they have never found there way into my collection)...Proper knowledge and QT may have prevented this though? Just saying.

Best of luck in your future breedings.

i haven't had ri, but iv seen it, a larger breeder i know has had it, a long with mites, even with good QT. it doesn't always mean you wont get it. im just trying to say that though you all have good points i wasn't asking for people to yell at me for a question. i understand the reasoning and when i can i do qt but its not always a possibility for me because of locations, and just because you qt it docent mean that the animal you bring in isn't going bring something into your collection ether theres always a risk when keeping a # of animals in close surroundings. and i just don't want people treating me or anyone else like they don't know anything just because they ask something

What I personally saw from the info provided and I wasnt trying to attack you either. But based on what I read you have 22 balls and you planned on lending your male to a friend while breeding him to your female. People on here asked you why you were going to be breeding your male to 2 different females without any qt procedures. You asked what things are you trying to prevent by keeping them separate for 90 days. I'm sorry of people misgrasped the concept but what that said to me was you didn't know of things like IBD and antibiotic resistant RIs. So people told you about them. You had also said that IBD was only passed by mites and you spray p.a.m and you wash your hands in-between so why should you qt. IMHO all anyone on here was trying to do was reeducate what misinformed views you had on certain things. That's not attacking it's helping a new breeder that's may not have the knowledge. I speak generally here but I don't think anyone was just assuming for no reason. You gave us the premise for thinking you didn't know about these things, from what you were saying. You asked for help so you got it. I think what we all were getting at is if you are serious about breeding and you want to do it the right way this is a practice you need to start now. You're right everyone will always have more to learn, but getting the practices down is first thing first. I said before just because you dont doesn't mean nothing will happen. And just because you do doesn't mean nothing will happen. But that one time you don't and something does you could loose them all. I feel like I have the responsibility to my animals and my buyers of the offspring to make the time and make the space to do it.
Best of luck.

This may well make me sound like the arse in this thread, but may I ask how you managed to find yourself with over 20 (mostly young) ball pythons and not know about basic quarantine procedures and why it's so important to follow through with qt?

its not that i didn't know, i asked later what types of thing because i knew of a few but i don't know everything and wanted to see what else is out there, and so far no one had said anything new.

If you know the reasons behind quarantine, I don't understand why you haven't been quarantining your animals. Lack of a qt room is no excuse if you've already committed yourself to caring for 20+ animals. You're putting every one of them at risk (as well as your friend's collection upon their snake's return) by not quarantining.