very importent can some1 help me asap plz

i have a wood viv with slideing glass doors 4 foot long 2 foot high 2 foot deep. and i need a under tank heater but i dont know the best one to get ? and do put it under the tank on the out side ? and do you put it on the warm end of viv ? my cool end is 27c and my warm end 32c what temp is this in 90s ?

you put it on the warm end on the outside. i think 90F is 30-32C somewhere in there. the only ones ive used is zoomed

that is not warm enough! 32c is more 90's like. The uth should be outside.

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

i have a wood viv with slideing glass doors 4 foot long 2 foot high 2 foot deep. and i need a under tank heater but i dont know the best one to get ? and do put it under the tank on the out side ? and do you put it on the warm end of viv ? my cool end is 27c and my warm end 32c what temp is this in 90s ?

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Undertank heaters are all around the same quality, so it's just up to you to make sure you regulate it with a thermostat.

Yes, undertank heaters ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS go on the outside of the tank, on the bottom. You would put it on the warm end to make it warm, yes.

Your cool end would be about 80 F, which is perfect, and the warm end is 89 F, which is also good, so I don't believe you'll need an undertank heater to supplement your heat.

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

that is not warm enough! 32c is more 90's like. The uth should be outside.

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41 C is more like 105 F. 32 C is pretty much exactly 90.

why dont you put it inside the tank and put something to cover it to safely defend your snake from burns like plastic or thiner piece of wood? would be easier to control tank temps i had to do that with my vision tank. or get a radiant heat panel

so do you think my temps are ok ? if not why ? and i really wanted to under tank heater so my bp digusts his food betta cuz he only poohs like once a month . an i heard that bps need under heat ? and roughly how much are under heaters ? hes just over 3 foot and 985 grams i feed him 2 gaint mice a week is this ok ?

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

why dont you put it inside the tank and put something to cover it to safely defend your snake from burns like plastic or thiner piece of wood? would be easier to control tank temps i had to do that with my vision tank. or get a radiant heat panel

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everybody else say to put outside iv heard its not safe inside ?

Your teps are pretty good 32C = 89.6 F and 27C = 80.6F. I know some people are big proponents of belly heat but there are others that think it does not make that big a difference. I think for a snake that size only having 1 movement a month does not sound that abnormal to me.

i thought once a month was bad do you think his feeding his right?

Hi,

If you can get the temps to those levels in your wooden viv I'd say you are golden - assuming you are measuring with a good digital thermostat inside the hides where the snake actually is. If you are measuring half way up the wall with those little dial analogue junkers then notsomuch. :rolleyes:

UTH's really can't get the heat through 1/4 inch of melamine very well so if you were forced to use on I would put it inside then put some kind of covering over it like glass or tile with a spacer of some description so the mat isn't completely sandwitched tight between the surfaces. You will need a hole to put the cable in anyway and enough space for the thermostat probe so add a few extra holes for airflow to the outside of the viv and then silicon seal it so it is completely watertight (or pee tight to be blunt ) from the inside.

Bit of a hassle really and the silicon would need at least 24 hours to cure before the snake could be put back in.

So, if your temps are fine 24/7, I probably wouldn't recommend it. :)

I kept royals in viv's with ceramic heaters for years before I moved to tubs - though it does murder the humidity. :taz:

Tubs win every time though - they suit the snakes natural behaviour and needs a lot better.


dr del

Well snakes go when they want to go. Heck my Chondro might only poop once ever 5-6 weeks, so no big deal. I also have younger snakes that defecate every 3-5 days like clockwork.

Your temperatures sound fine, but if he is 985 grams, he should be eating a small or medium rat once ever 10-14 days.

i glad my temps are fine its 33c in warm hide ? i like to only feed mice is this bad ?

plus glad my snakes toilet worrys are ok was a bit worried but feel betta now

heat sencor is in the hide some times he comes over from cool end and sits on it an sets it off.

ok I saw this on my corn snake forum they but a uth heater in the inside and then but 18 inc x 18 inc tile ontop of it and then sealed it in with silicone so the snake cant get to the the UTH just a idea

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

If you can get the temps to those levels in your wooden viv I'd say you are golden - assuming you are measuring with a good digital thermostat inside the hides where the snake actually is. If you are measuring half way up the wall with those little dial analogue junkers then notsomuch. :rolleyes:

UTH's really can't get the heat through 1/4 inch of melamine very well so if you were forced to use on I would put it inside then put some kind of covering over it like glass or tile with a spacer of some description so the mat isn't completely sandwitched tight between the surfaces. You will need a hole to put the cable in anyway and enough space for the thermostat probe so add a few extra holes for airflow to the outside of the viv and then silicon seal it so it is completely watertight (or pee tight to be blunt ) from the inside.

Bit of a hassle really and the silicon would need at least 24 hours to cure before the snake could be put back in.

So, if your temps are fine 24/7, I probably wouldn't recommend it. :)

I kept royals in viv's with ceramic heaters for years before I moved to tubs - though it does murder the humidity. :taz:

Tubs win every time though - they suit the snakes natural behaviour and needs a lot better.


dr del

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wont the viv be too heavy to sit on top of the under tank heater ?

Hi,

As I said I don't recommend it under the viv - but if you are determined to try then get some little feet from B&Q to lift the viv up off the floor and then tape the UTH to the underside.

That way there is no pressure on the mat and also a little airflow.


dr del

DON'T put a UTH in the tank. Your bp could get some nasty burns that way, or get too hot. That's why it's called an "under-tank heater"; it goes on the underside of the tank on the outside. :)
The one I got for my 40 gal. tank was about $25. Yeah, they're more expensive than heat bulbs/lamps but they're wonderful for a nice, regulated temperature. I use mine on the cool side and it keeps it exactly between 80-83F 24/7. Definitely worth the cost. (be sure there's space under your tank/tub to allow air flow so it doesn't trap heat and cook your snake by accident!!)

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Originally Posted by xFenrir

DON'T put a UTH in the tank. Your bp could get some nasty burns that way, or get too hot. That's why it's called an "under-tank heater"; it goes on the underside of the tank on the outside. :)
The one I got for my 40 gal. tank was about $25. Yeah, they're more expensive than heat bulbs/lamps but they're wonderful for a nice, regulated temperature. I use mine on the cool side and it keeps it exactly between 80-83F 24/7. Definitely worth the cost. (be sure there's space under your tank/tub to allow air flow so it doesn't trap heat and cook your snake by accident!!)

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if i got 1 it would be going outside the tank . your temps sound a bit to cold ?

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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

if i got 1 it would be going outside the tank . your temps sound a bit to cold ?

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his temps he was referring to where his cold side temps ;)

and those are pretty good, I keep mine at 82-83 and hot at 92.


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Originally Posted by kasmiraross

i glad my temps are fine its 33c in warm hide ? i like to only feed mice is this bad ?

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The reason it's better to feed rats than mice (when possible, of course) is because rats are actually a lot more nutritious than mice are. I'm not sure of the exact reason, but it's my understanding that rats will give a much more balanced diet and pretty much supply everything your BP needs. The guy who suggested feeding one rat instead is right on.

UTH's won't heat up the inside through wood.....
With lots of work as Dr Del mentions it can be put on the inside safely, but it's a hassle to do it safely.

Tubs, tubs and more tubs for ball pythons :P

Rats VS Mice

Adult rats have on average 62% protein and 32 percent fat
Adult mice have on average 55.8% protein and 24% fat.

Not much difference.
The difference comes when a rat eater takes down a 100 gram rat, the mouse eater will need 4 or 5 mice to keep up...

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Originally Posted by Xan Powers

his temps he was referring to where his cold side temps ;)

and those are pretty good, I keep mine at 82-83 and hot at 92.


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yeah thanks just relised

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

UTH's won't heat up the inside through wood.....
With lots of work as Dr Del mentions it can be put on the inside safely, but it's a hassle to do it safely.

Tubs, tubs and more tubs for ball pythons :P

Rats VS Mice

Adult rats have on average 62% protein and 32 percent fat
Adult mice have on average 55.8% protein and 24% fat.

Not much difference.
The difference comes when a rat eater takes down a 100 gram rat, the mouse eater will need 4 or 5 mice to keep up...

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he has 2 gaint mice a week ?