Should i get this het pied?

http://images.craigslist.org/3n93k03...a979341ac9.jpg

She is selling this 100% het for pied male for forty dollars. she says he was proven out by the breeder she got him from but she has no paper. he also looks like he has some other stuff besides just a normal het for pied. maybe you guys could tell me what he might have. one more thing, is pied recessive, co-dominate, or dominate?

Pied is recessive, and unless you trust this lady, I wouldn't count on him being a Het Pied.

If you want a Het for sure, get one from a trusted source.

Otherwise, you are gambling.

Good luck with your decision!

With hets there's no way of telling if you're being lied to, so I would only get a het from a trusted breeder or one with papers if I were in your shoes. However, forty dollars isn't a bad price even if it's not het because it does look like it could be an interesting dinker nonetheless.

Your call.

how can i find breeders in my area? i don't know anybody like that. :( and how much do you think a pied will cost cause if it's cheap then i won't need a het.

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

how can i find breeders in my area? i don't know anybody like that. :( and how much do you think a pied will cost cause if it's cheap then i won't need a het.

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You can try looking through Fauna Classifieds to find some people, or you could try a big breeder, most are willing to ship...

Visual pieds are pretty damned expensive, so unless you can drop 1500 to 2000 (depending on the breeder and the quality of the snake) to get a visual pied, then you might consider going for hets and breeding down the road.

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Originally Posted by Alexandra V

You can try looking through Fauna Classifieds to find some people, or you could try a big breeder, most are willing to ship...

Visual pieds are pretty damned expensive, so unless you can drop 1500 to 2000 (depending on the breeder and the quality of the snake) to get a visual pied, then you might consider going for hets and breeding down the road.

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dang. lol 2000? I think I'll start breeding hahaha so by big breeders do you mean guys like BHB and constrictors unlimited?

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

dang. lol 2000? I think I'll start breeding hahaha so by big breeders do you mean guys like BHB and constrictors unlimited?

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Lol yeah. Pieds aren't cheap. Yeah, guys like BHB, NERD, all the well-known guys are usually very good because they have a big rep to maintain, so they'll take care of you.

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Originally Posted by Alexandra V

Lol yeah. Pieds aren't cheap. Yeah, guys like BHB, NERD, all the well-known guys are usually very good because they have a big rep to maintain, so they'll take care of you.

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sweet thanks! I'll see if they have any het pieds for sale and if they don't, do you think i could make a request? haha

I have seen visual pieds as low as $750 this close to Christmas. ;)

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Originally Posted by Dagan

I have seen visual pieds as low as $750 this close to Christmas. ;)

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haha that's still pretty out of my budget but thanks :D

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

sweet thanks! I'll see if they have any het pieds for sale and if they don't, do you think i could make a request? haha

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You could, actually. A lot of breeders will tell you what they have in their plans for the future, so they just might have a pied project that'll make some hets ;)

Hets are everywhere, just wait. As a matter of fact i could probably buy a het in less than 10 minutes if i was looking for one. Now getting it shipped would be the issue. Then again i have a visual and multiple het pieds in my collection, and they were all extremely easy to find.

Chances are the guy isn't 100% het pied, but then again a 100% het pied male around 200 grams would be around $50 from a reputable breeder, so the price isn't too far off. Heck i just sold my 1100 gram 100% het pied male for $100 a month ago.

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Originally Posted by steveboos

Heck i just sold my 1100 gram 100% het pied male for $100 a month ago.

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Wish I would have seen that!

Either way, het or not $40 is not a bad price.:gj:

You can check out Lynns Berdies. they are also ball python breeders and they are located around the dallas area. he has a excelent collections. but possibly he will have some het's for you.

Sorry but the little bit of belly showing looks normal..not counting markers het pieds have white bellys..the one in the pic doesnt..looks normal

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Originally Posted by Bruceweb

Sorry but the little bit of belly showing looks normal..not counting markers het pieds have white bellys..the one in the pic doesnt..looks normal

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Maybe you can show some comparison pictures of your hets and normals, TIA.

With big reputations come bigger price tags. There are many "smaller" breeders you can trust with much lower prices. Just do your homework on fauna. I've seen males as low as $650. Good luck.

For $40 it isn't a bad price. He's pretty at least and looks healthy. I wouldn't call it a gamble exactly, but you could just save the $40 and put it toward a het pied pair. I've seen some being sold for $300 or so plus shipping. Look up the breeder on the BOI before sending money!

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Originally Posted by Bruceweb

Sorry but the little bit of belly showing looks normal..not counting markers het pieds have white bellys..the one in the pic doesnt..looks normal

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Where do you get such misinformed information?

Pied = White belly regardless of pattern.

HET Pied = I looka likea wild type. Markers dont mean as much as you want to believe.

Cant go wrong with a 40 dollar snake though, thats pennies (4000 of them). Thing is though, its not a sick deal for that price, and for barely anything extra you can get papers with your snakey. Good luck on your choice.

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Originally Posted by pavlovk1025

Where do you get such misinformed information?

Pied = White belly regardless of pattern.

HET Pied = I looka likea wild type. Markers dont mean as much as you want to believe.

Cant go wrong with a 40 dollar snake though, thats pennies (4000 of them). Thing is though, its not a sick deal for that price, and for barely anything extra you can get papers with your snakey. Good luck on your choice.

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Het pieds look like wild types yet still have white bellys..least ways every one I have seen has..I have 6 at present..all have white bellys..my others also had white bellys..not wild type bellys..markers dont mean much but I have yet to see a het pied with a normal type belly pattern..

You could find a pied for $650, or so. Also keep in mind, many het pieds have a "pied marker" trait on their tails. Get pics of the underside of their tail to look for the marker. Search the site for pictures of the "pied marker."

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Originally Posted by ace_singapore

Maybe you can show some comparison pictures of your hets and normals, TIA.

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Heres one of the hets every one I have or had has clear bellys..this one displays the markers however some have slightly different markers as the clutch is het pied poss het axanthic..not a great pic..sorry I dont have any normals

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/files/1/2/8/8/2/082.jpg

A better comparison pic

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...1288269626.jpg

I saw a 100% het pied from siegel's on kingsnake a few minutes ago for $60..

wow guys. thanks for all of the information. i don't think i'm gonna buy the snake. i email the lady selling him on the same day i started this thread and i still havent heard from her lol. i found a breeder named mike in San Antonio. he has a store called river city exotics. maybe someone's heard of him but he said that he's willing to sell me a pair of het albinos for $100. I'm thinking that i can breed them and sell some albinos and normals (i'm gonna keep and albino) and save up for some het pieds. how's that sounds? oh and the het albinos are proven.

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i found a breeder named mike in San Antonio. he has a store called river city exotics

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Ive heard good and bad, havent dealt with him yet.

Yeah. He's a bit of a know-it-all but all his reptiles look great and he's got great prices.

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Originally Posted by Nikolai

wow guys. thanks for all of the information. i don't think i'm gonna buy the snake. i email the lady selling him on the same day i started this thread and i still havent heard from her lol. i found a breeder named mike in San Antonio. he has a store called river city exotics. maybe someone's heard of him but he said that he's willing to sell me a pair of het albinos for $100. I'm thinking that i can breed them and sell some albinos and normals (i'm gonna keep and albino) and save up for some het pieds. how's that sounds? oh and the het albinos are proven.

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Proven het albinos for $100? Are you saying the animals he's selling for $100 are proven breeders or the trait is proven to be het? If they are proven breeders, I would be very leary of the price. Proven het albino females are worth 6-10 times that depending on the size....and I don't know of too many breeders willing to part with proven het or morph females.

Ill have to get pics later, thats cool that you have such clear white bellies on yours. Mine are wild type bellies peppered with spots and speckles and all that good stuff, and papered 100% het from Alan Bosch....so learn something new everyday. I did hear some noise about het pied being its own separate morph or something, but I cant recall it. That's cool with yours though, always be able to pick out the poss hets.:gj:

I think there are several big breeders in the San Antonio area - VPI (the Barkers) and Ron Temper and Don Soderberg (South Mountain Reptiles) where all last I knew in Boerne or San Marcos or somewhere down there. On a $50 snake you could easily pay double with shipping.

Yes, the markers aren't seen in 100% of hets and are occasionally seen in non hets but they would certainly be a reassuring sight in a reported het from an unknown source.

You might be able to find a double het albino pied male from a good source from around $200 if you want one snake to do double duty and eventually work toward albino pieds. Because a female double het would be a lot more you could start out with just a het albino female and a different het pied female but then any albinos or pieds produced with the double het male would also be 50% chance het for the other. Nice extra for the $150 or so extra investment which would be made back by not having two males to feed up.

If a deal seems too good to be true, 99% of the time, it is. This is something you should learn very quickly in the snake world. Not all people are bad, but some try to take advantage of newbies.

My biggest advice for you is to either go with a trusted breeder, or save and buy a pied. Maybe you should look for shows in your area. I know around here, show prices are way better then normal prices. If you end up getting the het albinos, remember, het does not guarantee that you will get albinos. You might. You might not. Heck, they could be just 2 normals. You never know with hets.

Just keep looking. Eventually you will find the right snake for you.