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Is this a Fire??
OK, need your help with a situation I find myself in. I purchased this baby a few months ago as a Fire female (before I learned all of the things to look for :rolleyes:) locally from a seller on CL. After further investigation, I believe this is not a Fire, but the individual I purchased her from swears up and down that it absolutely is. What's your opinion?
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/phot...ium/genie1.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/phot...ium/genie2.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/phot...ium/genie3.jpg
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/phot...ium/genie4.jpg
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Re: Is this a Fire??
If it is a fire it's veryyy low quality but I highly doubt that it's a fire.
Looks 100% normal!
How much did you pay for her?
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Looks like a nice normal, I'm not seeing fire in there.
People who sell normals with head markings often like the think their fires, but there are other things to look for.
Ask the breeder what the breeding was. Unless he bred a super fire, he probably mixed up a nice normal with a fire.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by Carlene16
How much did you pay for her?
I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that I'm embarrassed enough, I don't need to add fuel to that fire :oops:
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It is not a fire, fires have a very light coloration, a headspot and they have clear bellies.
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Originally Posted by A.VinczeBPs
Ask the breeder what the breeding was. Unless he bred a super fire, he probably mixed up a nice normal with a fire.
Only the dam was Fire, not the sire....
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When I get home I'll get some good pics of a fire next to a normal and you can see the difference.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog
When I get home I'll get some good pics of a fire next to a normal and you can see the difference.
Oh, I've got a male Fire that's almost two years old...the argument the seller is using is that they lighten up as they get older. If you've got ones of hatchlings next to normals though, that would be great! :D
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that I'm embarrassed enough, I don't need to add fuel to that fire :oops:
These along with yellowbelly's can be very hard to tell the difference sometimes where the markings may not be as strong as a very good example of the morph. I would email the person who sold the snake to me, be nice and tell them they have improperly id'd the snake as a normal and it is not.
This isn't a matter of an unhealthy snake, it's what you paid for, you unfortunately did not get.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
Oh, I've got a male Fire that's almost two years old...the argument the seller is using is that they lighten up as they get older. If you've got ones of hatchlings next to normals though, that would be great! :D
My male is a bit bigger than that, I'll take a picture of mine now.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that I'm embarrassed enough, I don't need to add fuel to that fire :oops:
Don't be embarrassed! It's happened to most of us at some point or another! :)
Either way you have a very beautiful normal :P
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Here's the belly. Sorry for the crappy picture but you get the idea
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/5639c4fa.jpg
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by piper
These along with yellowbelly's can be very hard to tell the difference sometimes where the markings may not be as strong as a very good example of the morph. I would email the person who sold the snake to me, be nice and tell them they have improperly id'd the snake as a normal and it is not.
This isn't a matter of an unhealthy snake, it's what you paid for, you unfortunately did not get.
Oh I did email him and told him that it wasn't a fire. He adamantly denies that it's anything but a fire.
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Nice looking boy!
To be clear, I don't think the seller intended to scam me, but that he is simply mistaken as to the identification of the morph, and unwilling to accept the possibility that he is wrong.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
Nice looking boy!
To be clear, I don't think the seller intended to scam me, but that he is simply mistaken as to the identification of the morph, and unwilling to accept the possibility that he is wrong.
Yea, more the fact that he's just outright denying it! That would be very frustrating for sure.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
Below is a fresh hatchling Fire (lower left), Normal (top), and a "we think" blond Firefly or could just be a blond pastel (bottom right), but it really does not have the pastel fade line, but it is really small as it is a twin and due to pinky diet is growing very slow. (up to 39 grams!) :banana:
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/w...onRresized.jpg
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I don't think it's a Fire. It's not light enough and like was said by others, the belly is too heavily marked. Fires often have ringer type markings and RR tracks on the belly. That snake is much too brown with the slight orange coloration along the sides that baby normals often have.
Baby fires are much lighter than normals as babies. They may or may not lighten as they get older. Some do but most just stay the same color.
I would not trust a CL posting for a BP morph unless it was someone who is an active member on these forums and others can vouch for them.
Too many people just lurk and read certain things on here without ever joining in. Then they think they have all these morphs when they really have no clue.
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Here are 2 fires with normals..
http://tapa.tk/mu/a6898fc6-3d7e-86a0.jpg
Here are 2 fires with a light normal. Normal is upper right...
http://tapa.tk/mu/a6898fc6-3dae-7dcf.jpg
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Re: Is this a Fire??
Thanks all for the input, I truly appreciate it.
The seller did just email me and said that the Fire dam is also a Black Back, could that possibly have an effect on the belly and the general coloring?
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
Thanks all for the input, I truly appreciate it.
The seller did just email me and said that the Fire dam is also a Black Back, could that possibly have an effect on the belly and the general coloring?
No...I don't think so. Seriously, it sounds to me like you have a seller who is simply very reluctant to admit he/she owes you a refund because they misidentified their hatchlings.
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Yes, I would demand a refund or a fire replacement! Blackbacks are just normals with no spots on its back!
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Hi,
Could they show you pictures of the parents with a handwritten note or something?
If he sends pics of two normals then that pretty much puts the tin lid on it.
dr del
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Email him a link to this thread so he can see that everyone is calling him out on his BS.
Just my .02.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
Thanks again all for the comparison pics and advice. To the sellers credit, even though he believes this is a fire, he will be letting me trade this girl for one of his babies from this season. I asked him to send me a pic of the dam, i'll post what he sends.
To be clear though, the purpose of the thread was not to bash another, but just to check my perceptual skills :D. I'm not going to take a confrontational approach with him, as the situation is partly my fault for not knowing beforehand what to look for, and he is offering an option to make me happy.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
Thanks again all for the comparison pics and advice. To the sellers credit, even though he believes this is a fire, he will be letting me trade this girl for one of his babies from this season. I asked him to send me a pic of the dam, i'll post what he sends.
To be clear though, the purpose of the thread was not to bash another, but just to check my perceptual skills :D. I'm not going to take a confrontational approach with him, as the situation is partly my fault for not knowing beforehand what to look for, and he is offering an option to make me happy.
It is not your fault as the seller needs to make sure he has the morph he says he has. I am glad to here that he will fix his mistake! Any good breeder will try his/her best to rectify the situation!
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Originally Posted by FragginDragon
I'm not going to take a confrontational approach with him, as the situation is partly my fault for not knowing beforehand what to look for, and he is offering an option to make me happy.
Well played :gj:
That snake is not a fire. If you want to send me a pm of a pic of a replacement I call tell you 100% yes or no if it's a fire.
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I sold two normal males that I raised from babys and one of theme looked exactly like a desert or a fire and the other one looked exactly licke a ghost but they were only normals
anyways , Good Luck!!!!!!!
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Sorry but I hachted out 17 fires this year & all were from average to exceptional & there is no way to mistake them for a normal :D,sorry you got ripped.Fires need to be bought from a proven line of Blackeyed producers.
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Originally Posted by Burm Ball
I sold two normal males that I raised from babys and one of theme looked exactly like a desert or a fire and the other one looked exactly licke a ghost but they were only normals
anyways , Good Luck!!!!!!!
I don't believe that I'm afraid.
You may have had very nice normals, but to an experienced eye there is no way a normal is going to look just like a fire or ghost.
I've seen hundreds of normals ranging from burnt orange and chocolate brown to milk chocolate and cream, but you can easily tell a fire apart if you know what to look for. Same with a ghost. I have a very faded normal female who happened to come from a line of ghosts but never proved out. To a beginner, yes I could pass her off as a ghost if I were dishonest. But anyone who knows what they are looking at would never mistake her for a ghost, even as light as she is.
Gale
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by angllady2
I don't believe that I'm afraid.
You may have had very nice normals, but to an experienced eye there is no way a normal is going to look just like a fire or ghost.
I've seen hundreds of normals ranging from burnt orange and chocolate brown to milk chocolate and cream, but you can easily tell a fire apart if you know what to look for. Same with a ghost. I have a very faded normal female who happened to come from a line of ghosts but never proved out. To a beginner, yes I could pass her off as a ghost if I were dishonest. But anyone who knows what they are looking at would never mistake her for a ghost, even as light as she is.
Gale
So what would you say this one is then Gale ? Just out of interest ;)
http://www.captivebredreptileforums....9001-funky.jpg
Sorry to highjack your thread OP but for the record it's not a fire that you bought hopefully the seller will rectify the problem.
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by Tempestas
A nice dinker :P
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Re: Is this a Fire??
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Originally Posted by Burm Ball
I sold two normal males that I raised from babys and one of theme looked exactly like a desert or a fire and the other one looked exactly licke a ghost but they were only normals
anyways , Good Luck!!!!!!!
So what did it look like? a desert or a fire? Because they look completeley different and if you can't tell the difference then you probably aren't qualified to offer advice. :P
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