HELP! need to make a choice

ok, as u might or might not have seen, i am trying to get a female red tail boa in december but last saturday i went in to check on her at the shop im buying her from and i found a amazing male cinni ball python. i have been trying to get a cinni since i frist got into snakes but have yet to even see one in person. i freaked and beg my mom to help me get him but she said if i did i would have to choose between him or ivy (the RTB female) but i have had her on hold for over 2 months now. so i have to choose between my girl i have been looking forward too or my dream cinni bp... idk what to do :( help me plz:confused:

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Originally Posted by pixie6710

i have to choose between my girl i have been looking forward too or my dream cinni bp...

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If it's your "dream" to own a cinni, then...
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This is just my opinion, but I know that I would regret not getting the snake I originally wanted (to me, that would be the red tail boa in this case). I develop strong emotional bonds with my critters, but I realize that not everyone else does. If you can "switch" from one snake to the other that easily, then change your mind. But if you're here asking advice, then I suspect you are torn about the idea of leaving "Ivy" behind. If that's the case, you'll regret not getting her.

Cinnies are great, but they are available and they aren't too outrageous in price either. To be honest, I would suspect that any cinny found in a "shop" might not be as high a quality as you might find from a good breeder (of course there are exceptions!).

But you will always be able to find a cinny - whether you've seen them around or not - they are available and always will be. But Ivy is Ivy and she won't always be there. Just my .02............

ty. only thing that is throwing me off is that...ok i am weird and i try to see how much of a connection i can make with any snake i am looking to get and ivy and i connected right off the bat. she was even reaching for me when we pulled her outta the tank then wrapped around me and didnt wanna let go lol. but the lil cinni did something similar only with my wrist but i wasnt trying to connect with him at all i was just curious. after we put him back he got kinda sad. it was cute. ivy get's very pissy when ppl take her away from me to put her back. she even tried to bite her previous owner and she has never done that before lol. i feel loved

ummm... not to be harsh... but I think you may be making up emotions for these snakes that aren't there.

Snakes don't really have a sad expression and the fact that you haven't been bitten by a snake you don't actually own doesn't mean much since you haven't held it as much as the previous owner either.

Ultimately you should decide based on what you want, not how you think a snake feels.

i have differnt beliefs about snakes than most people... snakes are just like people they just cant voice things so easily

new update on the situation: i might be getting ivy but my mother is saying i cant have our at my house... where is the sense in that?

Well, I understand what you're saying. It's easy to apply certain emotions to a creature - even emotions we know in our heads aren't really there. I am similar to you in that way.

BUT you should realize that snakes are not like people or mammals. They are cold-blooded and do not respond to us the way a cat or dog might. Does that mean they are not thinking, feeling creatures? No. But it does mean that they process those thoughts and feelings differently from us. They don't truly get attached to us or love us and a ball python will certainly not be "sad" just because you put him down. He may have wanted the chance to get out of his cage again or he might have appreciated the warmth of your hands, but he wasn't sad.

However, a connection with a specific snake or other creature is very real - no matter what the snake is really "feeling" we form bonds in our own minds and attach our own feelings to them. If a connection exists between you and Ivy, that should be your decision right there. As I said before, you can, and one day will, find another cinny. But if you pass on Ivy and the connection you have with her, you won't be able to get it back and you may always regret it. Yes, I'm speaking from experience. Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by pixie6710

new update on the situation: i might be getting ivy but my mother is saying i cant have our at my house... where is the sense in that?

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I would figure out where any future animals will be living before bringing anymore into your home.

If she's letting you get the snake, where does she think you'll keep it????? :confused::confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

I would figure out where any future animals will be living before bringing anymore into your home.

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I totally agree! Get that one figured out asap........

go with the boa. you sound already attached to her. cinnys are easy to come by and even cheeper if you go through a breeder.

i am still living at home since i am 17 and my mom said she will get me ivy but i can have her at our house and i can "have" her, like actually get to see her or care for her every day till i move out yet she wont let me move out till i graduate...and i have a place for her for now with my boyfriend and his roommates

Probably a bad idea to leave your snake with someone else, even if he is your boyfriend, what if you guys break up? What will happen to the snake then? Does your boyfriend know how to care for a snake? Is he willing to constantly monitor temperatures and humidity to keep the snake healthy even when you are not around? What if one of your boyfriends buddies leaves the cage ajar and the snake escapes? It sounds like a iffy situation for the snake to live in, if you really care about Ivy than you should probably not leave her in that environment...

But I do have to disagree with some of the people saying snakes dont have emotions. I dont know about all of your snakes but mine talk to me all the time, they tell me to do terrible things... terrible things... They wont get out of my head! They constantly complain about the temperatures! It's either to warm or too cold! They harrass me incessantly about the humidity, it's too dry they say! And they drill into my brain with those hypnotically piercing eyes of theirs, I lose huge chunks of time and do not remember what happened, then I look down and realize that I just thawed out a half dozen frozen rats... My God! There can be only three possibilities, my snakes are somehow using their ESP to control and alter my thoughts, the CIA has secretly been experimenting on me using cutting edge mind control drugs, or im just totally out of my gourd...

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Originally Posted by Ham

Probably a bad idea to leave your snake with someone else, even if he is your boyfriend, what if you guys break up? What will happen to the snake then? Does your boyfriend know how to care for a snake? Is he willing to constantly monitor temperatures and humidity to keep the snake healthy even when you are not around? What if one of your boyfriends buddies leaves the cage ajar and the snake escapes? It sounds like a iffy situation for the snake to live in, if you really care about Ivy than you should probably not leave her in that environment...

But I do have to disagree with some of the people saying snakes dont have emotions. I dont know about all of your snakes but mine talk to me all the time, they tell me to do terrible things... terrible things... They wont get out of my head! They constantly complain about the temperatures! It's either to warm or too cold! They harrass me incessantly about the humidity, it's too dry they say! And they drill into my brain with those hypnotically piercing eyes of theirs, I lose huge chunks of time and do not remember what happened, then I look down and realize that I just thawed out a half dozen frozen rats... My God! There can be only three possibilities, my snakes are somehow using their ESP to control and alter my thoughts, the CIA has secretly been experimenting on me using cutting edge mind control drugs, or im just totally out of my gourd...

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lol ur not crazy dude trust me

I wouldn't get a snake that had to live elsewhere more than a day or two. If you got the BP could you keep it at your house?

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Originally Posted by Ham

Probably a bad idea to leave your snake with someone else, even if he is your boyfriend, what if you guys break up? What will happen to the snake then? Does your boyfriend know how to care for a snake? Is he willing to constantly monitor temperatures and humidity to keep the snake healthy even when you are not around? What if one of your boyfriends buddies leaves the cage ajar and the snake escapes? It sounds like a iffy situation for the snake to live in, if you really care about Ivy than you should probably not leave her in that environment...

But I do have to disagree with some of the people saying snakes dont have emotions. I dont know about all of your snakes but mine talk to me all the time, they tell me to do terrible things... terrible things... They wont get out of my head! They constantly complain about the temperatures! It's either to warm or too cold! They harrass me incessantly about the humidity, it's too dry they say! And they drill into my brain with those hypnotically piercing eyes of theirs, I lose huge chunks of time and do not remember what happened, then I look down and realize that I just thawed out a half dozen frozen rats... My God! There can be only three possibilities, my snakes are somehow using their ESP to control and alter my thoughts, the CIA has secretly been experimenting on me using cutting edge mind control drugs, or im just totally out of my gourd...

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ROFLMAO.... :rofl::8::rofl::8:

But in all seriousness, Ham makes a really good point. No offense to you or your boyfriend, but these are really valid points you need to consider.

From your signature, it appears as though you already have 2 ball pythons already. Where are they living???

I would not get any unless you can care for them in your home! Everything should be setup and ready to go before getting the snake. Cinnys are very common and can be found anytime. Boas are a little harder to come by! Best of luck with your choice!

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

ROFLMAO.... :rofl::8::rofl::8:

But in all seriousness, Ham makes a really good point. No offense to you or your boyfriend, but these are really valid points you need to consider.

From your signature, it appears as though you already have 2 ball pythons already. Where are they living???

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at my sisters place. my bf is my sister's husbands roommate

k. im getting Ivy within the next 2 weeks :) and over the weekend i talked to my mom and she said that ivy will be staying at my sisters but no one (other than me and my bf) are allowed to touch her and i will be there every weekend takeing care of her till mom get's to know her and spring hit's. my house is way too cold atm to have her here and my heat lamp was smashed:( i need a new one that works well in winter:please:

I'm glad you are getting Ivy. You were already attached to her and I don't think you'll be sorry. I have to ask, how does your sister feel about you getting another snake? Even though you're taking care of them, it's still her house. Is she ok with all of this??? Good luck to you both!

she has 12 of her own ball pythons plus my boyfriend and my 23

lol wow i just got calls from 3 local RTB breeders that know of ivy from the shop im getting her from and either want her or wanna breed their males too her...she is my girl...the snakes they wanna breed her to is a het albino, albino, and a wild. any suggestions on what to do?:D:P:confused:

dang it. ok. what to do. my sister dosent want me to let my bf (she dosent know me and him r together) to have anything to do with ivy when i bring her there...

Your sister doesn't know he's your boyfriend?!?! And he's her husband's roomate?? Sorry, maybe I'm "behind the times" but does anyone else find this a bit odd?? :confused::confused:

First of all, you'd better tell her you're together. If he's living with her, she has the right to know. Plus, it's her house. Period. I don't care if she has 100 of her own snakes. If your snake is living there, it's under her rules. She is ultimately responsible since it's under her roof. She has the right to say no one but her and you can touch it. That may be just my opinion, but there it is. She might feel differently if she knows you two are together....

Secondly, I certainly would not allow someone to breed your snake. There are LOTS of threads here describing co-breeding and all the caveats - take a look. But all that aside, questions to ask yourself are - what would YOU get out of the deal? Are these other snakes healthy? Mite-free? WHY do these people want Ivy so badly to breed to and why didn't THEY buy her when they had the chance? AND HOW THE HECK DID THEY GET YOUR PHONE NUMBER????? A pet shop that just randomly gave out your personal information to someone just cause they said they were a breeder interested in Ivy is so wrong I have no words. I would be in that manager's office so fast it'd make their heads spin. Unbelievably unprofessional. :colbert: Again, these are just my .02....

You have some serious thinking to do BEFORE your bring Ivy or any other snake home.....

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Your sister doesn't know he's your boyfriend?!?! And he's her husband's roomate?? Sorry, maybe I'm "behind the times" but does anyone else find this a bit odd?? :confused::confused:

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I am starting to feel like I am watching another "Springer" show.......
Really, your sister needs to know the WHOLE story. She may trust you now, BUT if she finds out there is other stuff going on behind her back, Your snakes might be homeless!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

AND HOW THE HECK DID THEY GET YOUR PHONE NUMBER????? A pet shop that just randomly gave out your personal information to someone just cause they said they were a breeder interested in Ivy is so wrong I have no words.

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That is one BIG NO!! I dont care if you are a friend of mine that has my number and someone is dying and my 0+ blood could save them. YOU CALL ME FIRST TO SEE IF IT IS COOL TO GIVE THEM MY NUMBER! I, personally, (if you havent put a deposit down on Ivy) wouldnt even buy the boa from them if they were giving out my number.

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Originally Posted by Evenstar

Your sister doesn't know he's your boyfriend?!?! And he's her husband's roomate?? Sorry, maybe I'm "behind the times" but does anyone else find this a bit odd?? :confused::confused:

First of all, you'd better tell her you're together. If he's living with her, she has the right to know. Plus, it's her house. Period. I don't care if she has 100 of her own snakes. If your snake is living there, it's under her rules. She is ultimately responsible since it's under her roof. She has the right to say no one but her and you can touch it. That may be just my opinion, but there it is. She might feel differently if she knows you two are together....

Secondly, I certainly would not allow someone to breed your snake. There are LOTS of threads here describing co-breeding and all the caveats - take a look. But all that aside, questions to ask yourself are - what would YOU get out of the deal? Are these other snakes healthy? Mite-free? WHY do these people want Ivy so badly to breed to and why didn't THEY buy her when they had the chance? AND HOW THE HECK DID THEY GET YOUR PHONE NUMBER????? A pet shop that just randomly gave out your personal information to someone just cause they said they were a breeder interested in Ivy is so wrong I have no words. I would be in that manager's office so fast it'd make their heads spin. Unbelievably unprofessional. :colbert: Again, these are just my .02....

You have some serious thinking to do BEFORE your bring Ivy or any other snake home.....

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these's breeder's are a few friends of mine i got started and they excelled. i help them care for the snakes and they are really healthy altho they have additude issues.they didnt want her or know of her till after i put her on hold. and on the boyfriend thing, id perfer them not know in with him because i dont want them to try and tear us apart. it is a very complecated situatiion me and my bf r in. there is a age difference between us and my sister is totaly against us till after im 18. as soon as im 18 i am telling her that i love him and wanna be with him, the ring on my finger proves it.

Honey, I'm sorry you are in this position and you are right - we don't know the whole complicated story. But frankly, your sister has a point. And if she is taking care of your snake under her roof, she has the right to know and she SHOULD know. You are putting yourself, your boyfriend, and your snakes (all of them) in a very precarious position. I wish you the best, I really do, but I don't feel there is much else we are going to be able to help you with. This really is turning soap-opera. Maturity takes many forms and sometimes the mature and responsible thing to do is not the thing you want to do. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Good luck!

ty. great:rolleyes::( on top of this all my snake reno is acting strange now...