My Line of Faders

I have been working with the Fader gene for a few years now. I produced two males about five years ago (first two photos). I had one stolen, but was lucky enough to have the other breed and produce more. I have my first fader and pastel fader females up to size. I am not sure what to mix with them yet. Just thought I would share.

Original Pastel Fader Males
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...hpy597i9PM.jpg

http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...nitepastel.jpg

Fader Female
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...ers/Fader1.jpg
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...ders/Fader.jpg

Pastel Fader Female
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...astelFader.jpg
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...stelFader2.jpg
http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/a...stelFader3.jpg


Thanks

Joe Ellis

Wow. I love those pastel faders. What have you been thinking about mixing them with? How about a super pastel fader? I think just about every morph will look great with that mixed in. Sorry about that one being stolen though.

Congrats on such great looking BP's though!

I am thinking about breeding a Pastel Ivory to them.

Joe Ellis

Very nice looking snakes! They are looking like they would be great when paired with other morphs.

I see that fader gene really enhancing Blushing.. Just wonder How YB/Fader gonna looks all that blushed and flames :rolleyes:

Nice snakes You have there :gj::gj::gj:

Nice animals Joe! That's the first time I've seen a picture of a fader that wasn't a pastel as well. Are there any characteristics to look for besides the flames?

Here is the secret... They look identical to granites. The thing about them is that they are genetic and they pass on. They have a spot on the back of the neck, dark eyes, blushing, and granite spots. I have another B grade Pastel Fader I will post when I finish cage cleaning,.

Joe Ellis

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Here is the secret... They look identical to granites. The thing about them is that they are genetic and they pass on. They have a spot on the back of the neck, dark eyes, blushing, and granite spots. I have another B grade Pastel Fader I will post when I finish cage cleaning,.

Joe Ellis

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I was just thinking that the original "fader" doesn't look worthy of the name at all. It doesn't look "normal" for sure...but I'd not look at that snake and imagine that it would cause such a dramatic "fading" affect on other morphs. VERY cool! And very beautiful!

I agree 100%. I just called them Granites and Pastel Granite, but it looks like everyone else calls them Fader Pastels. I figure if the two genes together is Fader Pastel then the snake making the wacky blushing should be called "Fader"... Now I just need to breed a "Fader" X "Fader" to see what happens.

Joe Ellis

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... Now I just need to breed a "Fader" X "Fader" to see what happens.

Joe Ellis

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Indeed! :D And fader x lesser....and fader x yb....and fader x yb/pastel....and fader x mojave....and fader x clown....and...and....and.... :rolleye2:

I was able to produce a clutch of super pastel faders, pastel faders and a spider that i think is a fader but no sure.I know of the three lines of faders the nerd line,amirs line and our line which is the graziani line coming from the graziani line pastels.The cool thing about the faders is that its a fairly new project and no one really knows the true potencial of this gene or genes.But i think its something big waiting to blow up in the next few years i will have some fader crosses next year and im really excited about poss outcome i have already seen some of the crosses and their pretty amazing.Here is a pic of the 3 super pastel faders i hatched out earlier this year.
Thanks
Luis Alonso
www.luisalonsoexotics.com
http://www.luisalonsoexotics.com/ima...astels_001.jpg

I agree. I think it will make some interesting combos in the future. How did you first produce yours? I do not think it was the male pastel that had the gene in my line. I bred my pastel to over 20 females and only got two Fader Pastels from it. I am thinking my gene came from a female normal (Fader). My only issue was I never kept records when I first started breeding so I am pretty sure I sold off the female before knowing what she was.... Just a hunch.

Joe Ellis

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Originally Posted by JoeEllisReptiles

Here is the secret... They look identical to granites. The thing about them is that they are genetic and they pass on. They have a spot on the back of the neck, dark eyes, blushing, and granite spots. I have another B grade Pastel Fader I will post when I finish cage cleaning,.

Joe Ellis

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Thanks Joe! Now that is indeed interesting. In 2009 bred a pastel male to a "granite" female I have, and of the two pastels I got from that pairing, one was a lot lighter and better looking overall than the other. I chalked it off as just random luck on a nice pastel, but looks like I might have to try to do some more breeding to see if there's anything going on there. Thing about my granite girl is she's got a pretty reduced pattern and not too much in the way of flames as a result of it. Here's an old picture comparing the pastel siblings from that clutch just in case you were curious.

http://russreptiles.com/images/galle...mpast05-05.JPG

Even if what I've got isn't fader, I still definitely want to get some in the future. I remember drooling over some of Greg's super pastels back in the day before anyone knew any better about the fader mutation, and I can't wait to see what else gets made with them.

When i first started working with the ball pythons i purchased all my pastel females from greg. So last season i also picked up gregs bumble bee breeder male and i bred him to one of the pastels i had bought like 3 years ago.When i
cut the eggs i was what the hell is this i had thought they were all killer bees in the eggs but when they came out i knew they were supers but they didnt look like any supers i had ever seen so i took them over to gregs place and he told me what they were but he didnt know to much about them so basically i just bred bumble bee to the pastel dam of the clutch and got 3 super faders no killer bees though.so this year im going to do the same pairing and try to hit on a killer bee fader.

Have you gotten any normals from any of your breedings that look weird?

Joe Ellis

hey how can you tell if something has fader in it? Is their specific markings to look for or what does it change. I can tell a differnece. a little but I guess its just hard to in a pic. They are beautiful thow I can tell that!

Well I was told they are not faders. I do not know what they are and I guess more breeding and time will tell. Thanks for looking.

Joe Ellis

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Well I was told they are not faders. I do not know what they are and I guess more breeding and time will tell. Thanks for looking.

Joe Ellis

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Well, if yours doesn't fit some pre-named definition of "fader"...then just make up your own name for yours! :P I don't know anything about fader's personally and would love to learn more...such as who said yours weren't, and why? (Actually the "who" is more out of curiosity, but knowing who it is might lend weight to the "Why".)

It certainly looks like you've got something unique going on there, no matter what it's called!

no i didnt get any normals out of that clutch like i said ill be doing the same breeding this year and maybe a normal will pop out i hope not though lol.
what pastel line are u working with?

My original male came out of Africa so I am not sure what line it would be.

Joe Ellis

oh ok well good luck with your project

Even Kevin doesn't completely understand the fader gene, but he took a look at Winston and his daughter Libra and has strongly urged me to breed them together at some point. He believes that Libra shows the signs of being a fader, and was especially interested in the blushing on Winston (who would have to be fader for Libra to be).

The Winston/Libra pairing will have to wait at least a year, because Libra has a date with my enchi/pin/bengal het pied this year. :D

What do the bellies look like on the Fader? I produced some "normals" this year with nicer flames than others in the past. The flames are from the neck to about 1/2 way down the body. Probably not "Faders", but I hope it's genetic.( see the orange on the tail,possible ringer or just normal?)

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0_0485copy.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...5_0676copy.jpg

Mother
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...C04774copy.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...C_0008copy.jpg

Cool pics joe!! i have a male coming from Mark Mandic, I can't wait till he gets here!!