Female pastel questions

ok my question is I bought 2 female pastels only intending to keep one. So i have fed and taken care of them for a month now and my question is should I trade her for a morph or keep her and let her value rise as she gains weight and gets closer to breeding weight? I have had offers along the lines of male spiders. several offers as thats what i am looking for but not neccessarily a male. i was looking for a female. anyways I would like the Communities oppinion on the possible value of my 2010 pastel female. Dont mean to sound dumb just have been going back and fourth researching the forsale adds online and the significance of it being a female keeps coming full circle. if that makes sense. PLEASE provide some insight thank you very much. brandon:D

Raise them up and breed them :gj:

I've seen many 2010 female pastels for under $200

its up to you, what are you looking to do? build a breeding colony, or concentrate on a project..........the value changes according to what you are tryng to accomplish?sometimes you make a buck, sometimes you loose a few to get what you need?...........I guess what Im trying to say is it is up to YOU:gj:

good luck

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Should i keep both of them and raise them? I was only planning on keeping one female pastel but you think it will be beneficial in the long run to raise thm both up. . ?

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

Should i keep both of them and raise them? I was only planning on keeping one female pastel but you think it will be beneficial in the long run to raise thm both up. . ?

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If you plan to breed, keep them both for future breeders.



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I would keep them both, morph females are priceless in my collection. Besides you will come out better financially when combined into other combos

alright, My logic is now i can raise her up and get her fat. and i can allways get a male later. my understanding it takes a female 2 years to be breeding size and a male can breed at like 600 grams (point is i can fatten a male up), my understanding could be wrong. appreciate the help might have to sit on it for a little while i guess.

IMO 2 yrs is a MINIMUM but that depends on whole host of other factors, typically the 3rd winter will be your best bet. I would keep both, and have an idea of what you would to get out of them as far as breeding, then as theyre growing I would be saving money aside for a nice higher end male and breed him to both females

i have a quality male pastel as of now and have 2 female pastels and a female normal. i was looking into getting that spider from FREAK to potentially do bees in the future. but i decided that ill just wait it out for a lil while. thanks again i appreciate it, i should think about her as an investment then? if im grasping this thread correctly lol

Female morphs are always a good investment.

Thanks alot everybody. . . i know it may of sounded a bit silly, i just had all kinds of options going on in my head lol needed to narrow it down. well and vocalize my thoughts via the board haha thanks, brandon

ok well I decided that im going to keep my females and invest in a high quality 2010 clutch when i get my rack the beginning of dec. any suggestions for my pastel collection, I have 2 pastel females one male pastel ghost and a normal female. I was leaning towards a male bee. but what are my options thats what im interested in. I have a good amount of money i can afford to buy a clown, pie etc a higher end morph but dont know exactly waht direction to go with. any input would be appreciated :rolleye2:

This is strictly my opinion but I would invest in some nice recessives and recessive combos as you mentioned above

Or a Yellow Belly, your females are really nice and breeding them to a YB would produce some nice YB Pastels.

Just my thoughts... you just said you have a male pastel ghost..... and you just said you had a decent amount of money to invest..... Think about a female honey bee....or another ghost combo... hypo butter or if you could come across it a hypo fire....make hypo fireflies..... or just simply a few ghost females. Im willing to bet im not alone here when i say ghost combos are sick

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

IMO 2 yrs is a MINIMUM but that depends on whole host of other factors, typically the 3rd winter will be your best bet.

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I have some 06 females that turned off feed for no real reason at 600 and again at 1000g and are just this season going to be big enough to breed. Just an FYI for you. But I would keep the pastel female for sure no matter if it takes them 2yrs or 4 to get big enough it will be worth the wait.

awesome ya i plan on keeping them for sure now especially thanks to this thread... lol. but i am new with genetics. and would appreciate any in depth analyzes. i really like clowns an pies but dont know if thats strayin away from my goal i would like to create an impressive line if that makes sense dont kknow if clowns or pies would do that for me. . . i like the idea of ghost combos but RICH at ball boutique said he is onlyy a possible het ghot pastel but everyone who sees him says he is for sure a hypo ghost is RICH An idiot or what i dunno especailly since he doesnt wanna answer my questions hahaha.

You can't send the guy a bunch of emails and expect him to keep getting back! He told you what he thinks and now you should post pics so we can see it and give you some input. If he thought for sure that it was a hypo pastel then he would have sold it as one and priced it accordingly. A guy that breeds Hypos should have a pretty good idea of what they look like!

I totally agree. and Im not trying to bad mouth him at all he gave me an amazing deal and I have spread the word about him and his company. SEE YA TO ANSWER YOUR POST DIRECTLY AND WHICH STIRS MY CONCERN is the simple fact that he described my snake as a pssible 66% het green ghost pastel. does that make sense at all? my understanding is that hypo and het are competley different. . . and that description wouldnt make sense. and how do u know i sent him a BUNCH OF EMAILS!!! Lol?

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You can't send the guy a bunch of emails and expect him to keep getting back! He told you what he thinks and now you should post pics so we can see it and give you some input. If he thought for sure that it was a hypo pastel then he would have sold it as one and priced it accordingly. A guy that breeds Hypos should have a pretty good idea of what they look like!

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THERES THE LINK HE IS THE PASTEL IN THE FIRST POST BY ME THERE ARE 3 PICS OF HIM IF IM NOT MISTAKEN AND THEN 3 OR 4 MORE ON THE SAME THREAD IN A BLUE TUB. PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR OPINION! I LOVE YOUR ! POINTS SEEYA VERY ENTHUSIASTIC :taz:

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

I totally agree. and Im not trying to bad mouth him at all he gave me an amazing deal and I have spread the word about him and his company. SEE YA TO ANSWER YOUR POST DIRECTLY AND WHICH STIRS MY CONCERN is the simple fact that he described my snake as a pssible 66% het green ghost pastel. does that make sense at all? my understanding is that hypo and het are competley different. . . and that description wouldnt make sense. and how do u know i sent him a BUNCH OF EMAILS!!! Lol?

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I just read the other thread, and that pastel male of yours is a stunner. I can see how people can mistake it for a hypo pastel or super pastel. So it was sold to you as a pastel 66% het green ghost? This means that the parents were both 100% het for green ghost (they carry the hypo gene, but don't display the trait). All of the non green ghost babies would be labeled as 66% het, as there is no way of knowing for sure if they are carriers until they are bred. How much did you pay for it if you don't mind me asking?

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I really like the honeybees nut haven't really seen any for sale. Where could I find one?

Hi,

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

awesome ya i plan on keeping them for sure now especially thanks to this thread... lol. but i am new with genetics. and would appreciate any in depth analyzes. i really like clowns an pies but dont know if thats strayin away from my goal i would like to create an impressive line if that makes sense dont kknow if clowns or pies would do that for me. . . i like the idea of ghost combos but RICH at ball boutique said he is onlyy a possible het ghot pastel but everyone who sees him says he is for sure a hypo ghost is RICH An idiot or what i dunno especailly since he doesnt wanna answer my questions hahaha.

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Best way to be sure is to wait till he sheds and look at the shed skin - if there is any trace of pattern on it he isn't a ghost but if it is totally clear then he is. :gj:

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

I totally agree. and Im not trying to bad mouth him at all he gave me an amazing deal and I have spread the word about him and his company. SEE YA TO ANSWER YOUR POST DIRECTLY AND WHICH STIRS MY CONCERN is the simple fact that he described my snake as a pssible 66% het green ghost pastel. does that make sense at all? my understanding is that hypo and het are competley different. . . and that description wouldnt make sense. and how do u know i sent him a BUNCH OF EMAILS!!! Lol?

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Heterozygous and homozygous describe how many copies of the mutated gene the snake carries - het means it carries only one copy and homo means it carries two.

In recessive mutations (like ghost ) only an animal with two copies of the mutated gene will look visually different.

So a het ghost has half the genes needed to make a visual ghost ( also called hypo ) offspring.

66% het ghosts are produced from breeding two het ghost animals together and comes from the fact that a quarter of the offspring will be visual homozygous ghosts, half will be het ghosts and the remianing quarter will be normals. Since the het ghosts and normals cannot be seperated by looks then you have to say that (statistically ) 2/3 of them will be het ghosts and 1/3 will be normals. So each one gets described as 66% het ghost.

It's a bit confusing I know as each animal either has the gene or it hasn't but, until you breed them to find out, you have no way of knowing which you have. :rolleyes:

Either way the snake is a knockout. :)


dr del

Thank you i really appreciate it. Dr del, I honestly do appreciate you and the other people taking the time to explain all this to me. I don't mean to irritate anyone with my excessive questions.

I will check his shed, but also Im thinking of buying a male for my 2 pastel females, they are both normal pastels. therefor the ghost combos would have to be female if im notmistaken because i would have to have ghost to ghost correct?

Hi,

Yes, to get visual ghost offspring both parents would have to be at least het ghost.

But if you get a homozygous ghost female then you know at least that every offspring is a 100% het ghost. If you got a female het ghost then your offspring would be at best 66% (er.... I think - I always get confused at this point :oops: ).

But you could find it might be prefferable to buy another co-dom or dom morph that is het for ghost to double the bang for your buck if your pastel is either het or homo ghost. :gj:

Spider het ghost for example would be a great combination and should be quite affordable these days.

But then I might be biased as I really like both humblebees and bumblebees. ;)

Once you get a better idea of his genetics from the shed you should be able to plan with a bit more certainty.


dr del