09 Yellow Belly? What do you think?

Hey everyone, got a new bp. Shes an 09 and 685 grams. Bought her from reliable breeders and bought her as a yellow belly. But I want to see what you all think.

Here are some pictures(please excuse the background of the shots)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94...3/DSCN1348.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94...3/DSCN1349.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94...3/DSCN1350.jpg

Doesn't look at all like one to me, hmm..

It Looks Pretty Normal To Me As Well

Ditto to the above...have you asked to see if he/she sent the wrong one? Don't worry about insulting their intelligence. In the end, you are a consumer, and they are the supplier and if you question them they should answer you politely without getting upset or insulted...otherwise I would think they had something to hide :P

Sorry, that's definitely not a yellowbelly.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I thought she looked a bit normal.

Bass&Balls the breeders are local for me. So I stopped in a couple days before I purchased the snake to take a look at her, with my inexperience looking at yellow bellys I said sure Ill take her. And took her home a couple days after. Not really sure what I should do in this situation.

Dont really know if I should go back to the breeders or try to sell/trade her on my own to someone else, and get what I want.

You should take her back to the breeder. There is no way that is a Yellowbelly. Any reliable breeder would know that is as normal as a normal gets.
I would be questioning how reliable they are if they sold you that as a Yellowbelly.
Good luck, hopefully you will get you money back.

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Originally Posted by hops523

Dont really know if I should go back to the breeders or try to sell/trade her on my own to someone else, and get what I want.

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What is their return policy? If they have a satisfaction guarantee, you can always just take her back they can't really refuse to let you return her.

That snake definitely lacks the key features of a yellowbelly. Do you know if they produced her, or if they purchased her from someone else? They might be in the dark on how to identify a yellowbelly. Either way, I would take along a copy of something describing a yellowbelly, and pictures of adult, juvenile and hatchling yellowbellies, so that you are prepared in case they decide to contend you.

Not a YB!

If you bought her as a YB then you need to get your money back because she is not a YB.

The first thing is to contact the seller, be nice and see what they have to say, and then if they refuse to take the animal back you can escalate and take it further.

Not sure what their return policy is, theyre not a pet store or even a reptile store or anything, but I did get a receipt from them. On their website they actually have a couple pictures of examples of yellow bellys. I think theyre available tomorrow or wednesday, so Ill call them then. I am not sure if they produced her or not.

But I might see if I can trade her for a 2010 female morph.

You will more than likely not be able to trade an 09' normal for any female morph...

Contact the breeder and get a refund.

Their refund policy is kind of a moot point. They might not even have one. Point is, they sold you something that is not what they said it is. So IF they say they won't refund your money...let them know you'll be meeting them in small claims court or contacting an attorney and see if their mood changes ;)
But legally it doesn't matter what kind of return policy they have, because they didn't sell you what they claimed it was in the first place. It's called fraud...

Hi,

Boy that's kind of confusing.

He bought them from breeders local to him called "Bass&Balls"

I take it there is no connection?


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Boy that's kind of confusing.

He bought them from breeders local to him called "Bass&Balls"

I take it there is no connection?


dr del

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No, in that post that you are referencing the poster was replying to Bass&Balls

Hopefully they'll be available tomorrow so I can speak with them and see what they say. Thanks for all the advice. When I talk to them, I'll tell you what happens.

Phew!

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

No, in that post that you are referencing the poster was replying to Bass&Balls

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Thank's for that - I was thinking it would get so complicated I'd need to go lie down.

Turns out I just needed to learn to read. :oops: :D

Sorry for the added confusion folks.


dr del

I thought the breeder was "bass & balls" too. dr del. :D

Haha no bass&balls is not the breeder. Sorry about that

Okay, I think I'm getting a bit confused. I thought it was a yellowbelly too because of the fuzzed out belly pattern. Okay, I guess I'm still not good at spotting yellowbellys. :(

Here's my yellowbelly, and I'm not sure what the difference is between my snake and the OP's. (Sorry for the blurry pictures).

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-36-2.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-37-1.jpg

Are you sure you purchased it as a yellowbelly?
Is there any chance it was a het yellowbelly?

But if not than you can just contact the breeder, im sure he/she will notice that he/she gave you the wrong snake.

Mike H.

A het yellow belly? There are none.

Hi,

Sadly that wouldn't help as there is no such thing as a het yellowbelly. :(

Yellowbelly is the hererozygous form of the homozygous ivory. So you can call a yellowbelly a het ivory but that's the only way.


dr del

Nice flames on yours anatess:

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-37-1.jpg

Anatess, from that pic yours doe not look like a Yellowbelly either.

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Originally Posted by rjs73

Anatess, from that pic yours doe not look like a Yellowbelly either.

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Agreed...

Yellowbellies have a bit of an aberrant dorsal pattern. It would be helpful if you can both post shots of your snakes from above.

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Originally Posted by rjs73

Anatess, from that pic yours doe not look like a Yellowbelly either.

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Waaa! I bought it as a yellow belly from Tim Bailey. Tim is, no doubt, a reputable breeder.

Yellow Bellies can be sort of hard to pick out sometimes... but, to me, neither the OP's snake nor Anatess (sorry :() look like one to me. (Not making any accusations against any breeders, just calling it how I see it.)

These are the things that I look for with a YB:

1. Flaming
2. Head spot (not always well formed)
3. abberant belly

I made a similar post a while back with pictures of my two... I'd also like to point towards the Hunter's Guide to YBs.

Here are my animals:

They vary in color a bit, but they both have flames that creep up the sides:
http://www.thelogicalchange.com/rept...sycheEros4.jpg

They both have head spots:
http://www.thelogicalchange.com/reptiles/headSpots.jpg

But the big thing here, is their bellies... Eros has a white belly but you can still see on the edges the 'distortion' of the color. Psyche, on the other hand, has a very yellow belly with the same distortion on the outer edges:
http://www.thelogicalchange.com/reptiles/erosBelly.jpg
http://www.thelogicalchange.com/reptiles/psycheYB.jpg

No black or grey track marks up the middle of the belly.

I hope that helps on what to look for. YMMV

I'll try and get a pic up tomorrow of the top of the snake. But she does have the head spot, not that that means too much.

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Originally Posted by hops523

I'll try and get a pic up tomorrow of the top of the snake. But she does have the head spot, not that that means too much.

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The head spot, though, isn't indicative of a YB only. A lot of normals have head spots.

The belly is the key!

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Originally Posted by anatess

Okay, I think I'm getting a bit confused. I thought it was a yellowbelly too because of the fuzzed out belly pattern. Okay, I guess I'm still not good at spotting yellowbellys. :(

Here's my yellowbelly, and I'm not sure what the difference is between my snake and the OP's. (Sorry for the blurry pictures).

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-36-2.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-37-1.jpg

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Not a Yellow Belly.
Neither is the original poster's.
This thread is a little ridiculous.

My daughter needed to spend a little time under lights in an incubator when she was a few days old.
Because she looked more like a Yellow Belly than these snakes posted.

-Steven

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Originally Posted by stevenkeogh

Not a Yellow Belly.
Neither is the original poster's.
This thread is a little ridiculous.

My daughter needed to spend a little time under lights in an incubator when she was a few days old.
Because she looked more like a Yellow Belly than these snakes posted.

-Steven

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:rofl:

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Originally Posted by coldblooded

http://www.thelogicalchange.com/reptiles/psycheYB.jpg

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Now that's my kinda YB! :gj:

There are a lot of hobbyist having a hard time with yb's lately :confused:

YB's have flames between almost every if not every alien.
And that yellow belly :P
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...s/PICT7134.jpg

Good news, called them today and they will give me a full refund or gave me the option to look at some of their other snakes. But I might just order a yellow belly from someone online.
Thanks

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Originally Posted by hops523

Good news, called them today and they will give me a full refund or gave me the option to look at some of their other snakes. But I might just order a yellow belly from someone online.
Thanks

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Sounds like your best bet is to order from someone online...make to ask for pictures from the side, and of the belly and you may even ask permission to post them on here for other peoples opinions before you purchase....

Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by anatess

Okay, I think I'm getting a bit confused. I thought it was a yellowbelly too because of the fuzzed out belly pattern. Okay, I guess I'm still not good at spotting yellowbellys. :(

Here's my yellowbelly, and I'm not sure what the difference is between my snake and the OP's. (Sorry for the blurry pictures).

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-36-2.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-37-1.jpg

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Tess,
I think you posted a picture of the wrong snake. The snake pictured above is the Normal female that I sent you that you won in the contest. Below is a link to the thread you posted when I sent you a picture of her post shed. You can match up the patterns in that pic to the one above.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hed!-SWEETNESS.

Now, below is a picture of the Yellow Belly male that I sent you. Rest assured, what I sent was a yellow belly. I think you got the two snakes mixed up.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/available/10ybm1l.jpg

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Tess,
I think you posted a picture of the wrong snake. The snake pictured above is the Normal female that I sent you that you won in the contest. Below is a link to the thread you posted when I sent you a picture of her post shed. You can match up the patterns in that pic to the one above.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...hed!-SWEETNESS.

Now, below is a picture of the Yellow Belly male that I sent you. Rest assured, what I sent was a yellow belly. I think you got the two snakes mixed up.

http://www.baileyreptiles.com/available/10ybm1l.jpg

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Ah, Tim. I may be brunette, but I may have blonde roots! I'll post a picture up of the other snake. We've been calling the wrong snake, Willy! Waaa!

Just to make sure you know... I'm very rest assured. You're one cool dude!

this thread is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by mainbutter

this thread is ridiculous.

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Pardon the ignorance of some of us who are new to yellowbellies. But then, this is what this forum is for, yes?

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Originally Posted by anatess

Pardon the ignorance of some of us who are new to yellowbellies. But then, this is what this forum is for, yes?

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Agreed



sent by two homing pigeons!!

Hear, hear!

We all have to start somewhere. None of us ever stop learning and we should never try to impede others from doing the same. :) What may seem obvious to some, may be a complete enigma to others, especially with subtle morphs like YBs.

Just my two cents. Though, I have to admit, I did chuckle at Tim's post. You have a nice YB, Anatess ;)

OMG, I think I'm finally seeing what you're seeing!!!

Ok... here's the "I thought he was the normal" snake:

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...s/photo-39.jpg

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...photo-37-2.jpg

Yup,

That's a yellowbelly. :D


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Yup,

That's a yellowbelly. :D


dr del

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Ok, my husband and kids are now getting upset with me because they won't give me back my "real" normal... The normal is supposed to go live in the school. They don't really care about morph-whatever... they like the nice golden color and pattern of the normal one. And she is more easy-going with the handling. Now the school is going to get my yb! What a conundrum!

Ok, just so I understand... the completely white belly with the smudged edges is the indicator, right? And then the yellow color in-between the aliens on the sides that look like flames? Because the normal one is actually more yellow than the yb...

Hi,

Yep that kind of marbled, speckled belly border and pronounced flames are markers for the morph. :yes:

Yellow bellies don't really need to have yellow bellies - but they do tend to have more yellow at the edges of the belly and up into the pattern.

Since the school don't care then they can have the little normal and you keep the yellowbelly - and if they don't like it then they can buy you a new yellowbelly as a replacement so you can still work towards ivories in the future. :twisted:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Yep that kind of marbled, speckled belly border and pronounced flames are markers for the morph. :yes:

Yellow bellies don't really need to have yellow bellies - but they do tend to have more yellow at the edges of the belly and up into the pattern.

Since the school don't care then they can have the little normal and you keep the yellowbelly - and if they don't like it then they can buy you a new yellowbelly as a replacement so you can still work towards ivories in the future. :twisted:


dr del

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The school doesn't care, but my husband and kids don't want to give up the normal! Sigh.

Keep both, get another normal. :D

And yes, those aspects of the belly are what indicates a YB!