Super reduced mojave???

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Is this something common with Mojaves? I know I haven't seen any this reduced. Maybe a hidden gene?? Any suggestions....

first one ive seen. is it alive????

Yes it's alive, but very small. It's only 2 weeks old.

Either you have huge hands or that is the smallest BP I have ever seen. It does have a nice patter though.

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Originally Posted by jball1125

Either you have huge hands or that is the smallest BP I have ever seen. It does have a nice patter though.

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It's very small. Almost like a corn snake. I hope it will live. When it hatch it had alot of yolk, or I think was yolk, left over in the egg.

My guess is it was an incubation issue. Did you have any swings in temps?

I doubt it was incubation problem. Just the runt of the litter whom usually dont absorb yolks.

Id be feeding it now if not already and not wait for first shed.

It was the only egg to go full term. Temps. were constant 89. Does not show interest in food. Any suggestions on feeding?

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Originally Posted by MS2

It was the only egg to go full term. Temps. were constant 89. Does not show interest in food. Any suggestions on feeding?

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Pre kill a fuzzy mouse and assit feed. Get the mouses head in the snakes mouth and hold it there till the snake bites down. Usually they will hold it and coil right away or spit it out.

patience.

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Originally Posted by RichsBallPythons

Pre kill a fuzzy mouse and assit feed. Get the mouses head in the snakes mouth and hold it there till the snake bites down. Usually they will hold it and coil right away or spit it out.

patience.

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Tried that with a pinkie mouse. It did not bite down. Should I just keep tring it once a day until it takes it?

Oh wow that is a cool pattern and I hope he makes it!!!

If you get the pinky back far enough he shouldn't be able to spit it out. I had one that spit it out every time I tried till I put the pinky in as far as I could. Also if he thrashes around a lot once you get it in his mouth you can just keep a hold of him. My guy only constricted once or twice, the other times he just swallowed it.

Just remember that not all bps were meant to make it!

Do a fuzzy mouse, Pinkies are way too small even for that guy.

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Is this something common with Mojaves? I know I haven't seen any this reduced. Maybe a hidden gene?? Any suggestions....

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wow thats awesome!

Wow.... that is really reduced! Have you gotten him to eat yet?

how about lose the hand shot and get some closer pics?

ive seen such a reduced mojo before. was an add on fauna. but they are definatly not common.

to the feeding issue. i would try to assist feed him too. take a fuzzy mouse and dip her into water. then spread his jaws and put the mouse into his mouth- as far as possible without pumping it down into his stomach. most of the time they get a reflex and start swallowing the prey item. but it must be big enough to give him some resistence. i think a baby mouse would be to small.

if he wont eat for a few more days, take the yolk of an egg and take a pump and pump the yolk in his mouth that he has to swallow it.

or- (i know it sounds hard) take a dead baby mouse and cut it into little little peaces and mix it with the yolk. then cut the top of the plastic pump and again pump this mix into his stomach. but make sure that no hard plastic edges or so are left on the cutting edge at the pump. u can use this sandpaper to make the pump smooth. otherwise u could hurt the mouth of that little devil.

but first try the assist feed. heres a german vdeo where u can see how its made (just in case uve never done it before). i think for u guys there are english subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_BCD-cM1E

I'd bet incubation stress. Especially after hearing that all of the other eggs did not survive. Awsome snake but it is doubtful that it will be genetic. Good luck. Hope he makes it for you.

WOW! What a neat looking little guy! Could you post more pics, closer up? I hope he makes it!

awesome lookin mojo.....Hope it makes it.... :please:

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Originally Posted by BPHERP

how about lose the hand shot and get some closer pics?

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How close do you need it?!? Not asking for suggestions on my photo skills, need suggestions on the reduced pattern. Is it common?

cool one I hatched out one that looks real good like that too.

Need better pictures to see the reduced pattern, the snake is so little and so far away in the pictures. Close ups would help for comments on the pattern. :)

Funny how there is no agreement on which is the pattern; the lighter or darker elements. I would call that wide pattern and the opposite of reduced.

At any rate, my chocolate mojave is similar.

http://snakemorphs.com/collection/im...d_11months.jpg

Without knowing anything about the non mojave parent I would first suspect egg stress also. But try the same pair next year and resolve whatever went wrong and see if you get the same results.

Wow, that is a Gorgeous, tiny little mojo! I would keep him around for a dinker project, definitely.

Was the mom or dad the mojo? Was it mojo x mojo pairing? If mojo x normal, was the normal super reduced, too?

It certainly would be awesome if you could purposely produce reduced pattern mojos like that. I think most everyone wants to see closer pics, because we all think it's a little beauty of a snake!

Joe23, meine guete! Seiner Akzent ish doch Toll! Woher kommt so einer Akzent? Naja....
Now I gotta spend a few hours watching german snake videos on Youtube....

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Wow, that is a Gorgeous, tiny little mojo! I would keep him around for a dinker project, definitely.

Was the mom or dad the mojo? Was it mojo x mojo pairing? If mojo x normal, was the normal super reduced, too?

It certainly would be awesome if you could purposely produce reduced pattern mojos like that. I think most everyone wants to see closer pics, because we all think it's a little beauty of a snake!

Joe23, meine guete! Seiner Akzent ish doch Toll! Woher kommt so einer Akzent? Naja....
Now I gotta spend a few hours watching german snake videos on Youtube....

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sounds funny for the rest of us germans but we have worse akzents (is that how u call it too in the us?) here in some regions of germany.

his akzent is called schwäbisch (with umlaut ä or if u cant see it there- its ae). u speak it in the region around stuttgard (where the porsches come from). hes a nice guy though.

ur german is still really good clark!!! im surprised everytime u write something in german.

hope it makes it for ya! assist feeding really isn't as nerve racking as it sounds. in regards to your question about how often to try, i wouldn't try EVERY day, as that may lead the snake to think that food smell=big scary hand trying to shove something down my throat! you don't want the snake to associate food with stress, and assist-feeding is stressful for the snake (and probably you, as well!)

i would try every 3-4 days perhaps, but don't quote me on that. since the snake is so small it's essential that you get it some food as soon as you can, especially since there was yolk left over, and yolk is pretty much their "first meal." it's what keeps them going from hatch until their first shed.

good luck!

Very nice animal.
Did you get it from mojave x mojave ?
Look like a granitemojave to me.
I bred such a snake this year.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...P0768a-med.JPG

Finally got it to eat it's first meal. I hope this is the start of something GOOD! Definitly breeding the male Mojave to the same female and a new female this season to see what we get. I'll try to get some better pics as it grows.

Glad to hear you got that little one feeding. Deffinately can see a reduced pattern.

And who knows...Maybe 5 years from now people will be talking about that guy on bp.net who started the dwarf ball python craze (which is only identifiable by a reduced pattern in Mojave form) :P

But seriously, that is one tiny baby. Cant wait to see future pics with that pattern. Good Luck!

Ah I'm so glad to hear that you've gotten a meal into it! I've been watching this thread like a hawk for updates. That's definitely a gorgeous little mojo you've got there. Good luck!

It has eaten it's second meal, still had to be helped though. Still working on better pics.

I love reduced Mojos...here is a shot of mine.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...ection_010.jpg

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I love reduced Mojos...here is a shot of mine.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...ection_010.jpg

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Very nice. Do you think the reduced pattern in genetic or something random? The father of this baby is not reduced, but is a very nice animal.

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I love reduced Mojos...here is a shot of mine.

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/file...ection_010.jpg

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That is a nice mojo! Mind me asking where you got it?

OP: Nice to hear she took another meal :gj:

personally i think reduced is just something that happens at random sometimes, just like in normals. take 10 normals and put them side by side and you will say WOW!!!!!!!

that's why i love balls, they're SO unique!

Update on this little snake. It has eaten a few times now, but still has not shed. It looks like it really needs to shed.:confused: Any tips on getting it to shed? Still have it on damp paper towels and even soaking it. Any suggestions......

Slow starter. Will shed when ready.

This season i had one not shed for 32 days after hatching

His pattern looks amazing in the pics! Has he gained much weight yet? Update pics???

Still no updated pics. It's my brothers snake and he's slow to get me new pics. He says it looks like it's almost wrinkling up, but when he soaks it, it looks much better. Starting to get worried:please:

Does it have a water bowl?

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Does it have a water bowl?

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Yes

its prolly just getting ready to shed, if it continues to eat and it has good humidity then it should be ok. post pics as soon as u get em

did it live? my standards for mojos went through the roof after seeing pictures of that little guy!

Don't worry, just keep feeding it he will shed. What's the weight on him? Looks like 25-40 grams? I think he'll be fine once you put some weight on him. I had a tiny yellowbelly like that, I have big hands so she looks tiny but was actually 50 grams at 3 weeks old (still a bit small) http://tapatalk.com/mu/6c40058b-493f-a7b1.jpghttp://tapatalk.com/mu/6c40058b-4949-f66b.jpg

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did it live? my standards for mojos went through the roof after seeing pictures of that little guy!

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Yes, it's still alive. Needs help feeding. I think it's a little retarded, but it's still alive and growing slowly.

i would love an update on that little baby. still alive? current pics?

Im hoping to see an update on this lil guy too. :)

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Yes, it's still alive. Needs help feeding. I think it's a little retarded, but it's still alive and growing slowly.

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Lmao! Yes, we would love an update! Still alive, eating better, growing and shedding well? Updated pics???:D

we want updates

Well I'm sorry to say the little guy didn't make it:( He was never really "right" from what I've seen of him.

Good news is I have the Mojave male that produced him on breeder loan for this season. I put him with a Pastel and an old reliable female this season and have had many locks between them. Both have Pre-ov. shed, so now it's just watch and wait.

I really hope the male Mojave is carring something special, or was the reduced baby just a product of bad incubation, bad genetics, ......

I should know around September:D