How Many Morphs are There?

Has anybody out there done the math on how many Morph combinations are possible? This video has 160 listed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpN8psPechI

, but I know there are more possibilities than that. I just don't know enough about ball genetics yet to figure it out myself. Just wondering if anybody had tried.

check out world of ball pythons they have a morph list and i think thats almost every morph ever made and some that i have never heard of but ya check that out count that then come back and let me know lol

Thanks. I will check it out. lol

Man!!!!! I counted to 250 and I wasn't past C in the alphabet yet. That's crazy. I figured it was some crazy high number. That should keep people busy for a while. lol

ya thats wat i thought but i look at some of those and they dont have pictures and i have never heard anyone talk about them which makes me think they are not real but you could say that a normal that you but from petco that has a cool looking pattern that doesnt look like the others is something special but its not its just a normal like my normal girl she has only 5 breaks in the stripe going down her back but that doesnt make her special she is still a normal bp

Yep, I know some of them haven't even been created yet. But that is one amazing number of possible combinations. No one really knows what some of them will look like either, and with some of the amazingly beautiful Balls out there now, I just wish I had the room and the money to really get into them. Oh well, I will just have to enjoy looking at pics,lol.

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Originally Posted by snakesams

Yep, I know some of them haven't even been created yet. But that is one amazing number of possible combinations. No one really knows what some of them will look like either, and with some of the amazingly beautiful Balls out there now, I just wish I had the room and the money to really get into them. Oh well, I will just have to enjoy looking at pics,lol.

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You never know what you'll be able to accomplish unless you try! I used to think I'd never be able to afford to have any morphs that were able to create some of my favorite combinations ever. But I have 5 BP's now which I got at very low prices for what they are, and the time in which I got them. Even just the few that I have will eventually make me probably 2 handfuls of combinations.

With about 60 identified base mutations, and then all the endless combination possibilities - we will NOT see all the possibilities in our lifetime.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

With about 60 identified base mutations, and then all the endless combination possibilities - we will NOT see all the possibilities in our lifetime.

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And with more new base mutations probable in the future, you are probably right. Got to the the reptile with the most morphs, that is for sure. Lots of eye candy to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by DeadLegs

You never know what you'll be able to accomplish unless you try! I used to think I'd never be able to afford to have any morphs that were able to create some of my favorite combinations ever. But I have 5 BP's now which I got at very low prices for what they are, and the time in which I got them. Even just the few that I have will eventually make me probably 2 handfuls of combinations.

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this is a very good point i started with a normal then a cinny then i got my pastel and spider and those 4 right now will give me future possibilities for 7 or 8 different morphs but i plan on buying alot of hets so i can make my own albinos in the future

The neat thing is that you can plan ahead for what you want to produce. You just need a basic understanding of genetics, and the patience to wait a few years to get there, unless you buy ones that are already hets.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

With about 60 identified base mutations, and then all the endless combination possibilities - we will NOT see all the possibilities in our lifetime.

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There's actually a statistical formula to figure this out but the problem is the leucistics. Theoretically a lucy is the end regardless of adding new genes. They can carry them but you won't see them so what's the point? That's where it gets complicated because they can be used in combos but you can't have two of them or it wipes everything out. Then you have the phantoms and mystics which create lucies with some but not with a mojave. And it can be argued that the super mojave and the ivories aren't the end since they are affected by additional genes. Enough to make even a statistician's head spin. Oh, and then co-doms count twice too. Just look at cinnies/pastels. There are 4 combos just using those two! This is something I've been wanting to plug into a formula but haven't had time yet.

I think were more around 80 base morphs by now...so 80!=7.1569457 × 10 to the 118th power

im sure once you add enough genes, their all gonna start looking the same tho.

I remember reading somewhere that as of 2009 there was 430 known morphs, but i can't cite the information, nor remember where i read it. Either way, over time everything will be mixed together and we will have snakes with genectics from 40 or 50 different snakes in them.

The more I've thought about it, the more complicated it gets. It's not just a lucy that can be white. A lesser/pied is all white too (not the super of the lesser, just the lesser and pied). Then the axanthic/albino is pretty much white too. The formula wouldn't be complicated if you had a complete list of recessives, dominant and co-doms(counted twice) and just wanted to know all the combos. But I'd really like to single out meaningless combos and that's very difficult because you don't know how different genes might react to each other until it's done. Who would have thought the Phantom would produce a lucy with a lesser/butter but not a mojave? Who would think a Lesser/Pied would be all white but not a Mojave/Pied?

i just thought of a great way to figure this out just ask the Evil Morph God over at NERD how many morphs there are! he has them all pretty much im super jealous his snakes are amazing

maybe that should be the question how many morphs does NERD have?

Thats like counting every jelly bean in the world, impossible

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Originally Posted by Hypnotic Exotic

The more I've thought about it, the more complicated it gets. It's not just a lucy that can be white. A lesser/pied is all white too (not the super of the lesser, just the lesser and pied). Then the axanthic/albino is pretty much white too. The formula wouldn't be complicated if you had a complete list of recessives, dominant and co-doms(counted twice) and just wanted to know all the combos. But I'd really like to single out meaningless combos and that's very difficult because you don't know how different genes might react to each other until it's done. Who would have thought the Phantom would produce a lucy with a lesser/butter but not a mojave? Who would think a Lesser/Pied would be all white but not a Mojave/Pied?

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That's why it is so important to keep accurate breeding records, because there will be snakes with identical phenotypes, but completely different genotypes. And that makes it important to buy from somebody you trust, as is the case with buying hets also.