Het Hypo/Ghost visual markers?

Do you guys know if their are any typical visual markers that a het hypo/ghost BP will carry? The main reason I ask is that I have a male pastel het hypo/ghost that I plan on breeding to a female normal this season and I wanted to know if there was a fairly accurate way to pick out the possible hets? any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
-Jordan

if there was any markers, it wouldn't be a recessive trait, it would be co-dom. Hypo is recessive, therefore there are no markers.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

if there was any markers, it wouldn't be a recessive trait, it would be co-dom. Hypo is recessive, therefore there are no markers.

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Certain recessive morphs have visual markers to go along with them. Although they are not a 100% guaranteed way to tell, they do exist. Het. Pieds are one of the best examples...sure not all het pieds have the markers, but many do.

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Originally Posted by demjor19

Certain recessive morphs have visual markers to go along with them. Although they are not a 100% guaranteed way to tell, they do exist. Het. Pieds are one of the best examples...sure not all het pieds have the markers, but many do.

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atleast with the het pieds I weas looking at, I would be hard pressed to say even some have the marker, seems like very few do. but I posted an another thread asking people to tell me if their het pieds have markers

but besides that then, no other recessive morphs have markers.

I do know that there are breeders who over the years have seen slight differences in "Normal" het babies for different morph, Clown, Pied, and even hypo come to mind..now each breeder looks for something different and all will tell you it can be unreliable but I can tell you 3 people I know personally that have pick out poss hets and proven them not once but several times..

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

atleast with the het pieds I weas looking at, I would be hard pressed to say even some have the marker, seems like very few do. but I posted an another thread asking people to tell me if their het pieds have markers

but besides that then, no other recessive morphs have markers.

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Both of my het pieds have very strong markers.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I do know that there are breeders who over the years have seen slight differences in "Normal" het babies for different morph, Clown, Pied, and even hypo come to mind..now each breeder looks for something different and all will tell you it can be unreliable but I can tell you 3 people I know personally that have pick out poss hets and proven them not once but several times..

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The breeder I get most of my snakes from mentioned that his hypo's do have a marker, but I forget what it was (I'll have to give him a call). At the last show he pointed out all of his hets for sale...they were axanthics, lavenders, ghosts, and piebalds and they were labled as possible het. Out of those he went though every one and pointed out whether or not they actually carried the genes (he even did this with several double hets). Granted this was an educated guess, but he said he has proven them out based on these markings on a regular basis.

I'm sure this is also different with every line of an animal, but I am a strong believer in markers...as long as the animal in question is from a known line of a given morph (not just a random animal in a pet store). I also understand that many hets have no markers...as I have seen plenty of het. pieds with no visual markers.

Just my 2 cents.

Light spot on the head is one sign of a het hypo.

Many het hypos look a out half way between normal and hypo. Some even shed clear like hypos. But like the pied marker seen in most het pieds it isn't 100% but both can be very helpful when picking which babies to keep back and which to sell as normals.

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Originally Posted by demjor19

Do you guys know if their are any typical visual markers that a het hypo/ghost BP will carry? The main reason I ask is that I have a male pastel het hypo/ghost that I plan on breeding to a female normal this season and I wanted to know if there was a fairly accurate way to pick out the possible hets? any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
-Jordan

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a lot of het hypos have a certain look to them, like a really really turned down version of a hypo. lots of head blushing and an overall orange tint ect... ect...

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Originally Posted by demjor19

The breeder I get most of my snakes from mentioned that his hypo's do have a marker, but I forget what it was (I'll have to give him a call). At the last show he pointed out all of his hets for sale...they were axanthics, lavenders, ghosts, and piebalds and they were labled as possible het. Out of those he went though every one and pointed out whether or not they actually carried the genes (he even did this with several double hets). Granted this was an educated guess, but he said he has proven them out based on these markings on a regular basis.

I'm sure this is also different with every line of an animal, but I am a strong believer in markers...as long as the animal in question is from a known line of a given morph (not just a random animal in a pet store). I also understand that many hets have no markers...as I have seen plenty of het. pieds with no visual markers.

Just my 2 cents.

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iv got an idea what marker he might be talking about for a ghosts, i figured something out with them a while ago, but im gunna have to keep my mouth shut on it til i have it sorted for sure >_<

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

Many het hypos look a out half way between normal and hypo. Some even shed clear like hypos. But like the pied marker seen in most het pieds it isn't 100% but both can be very helpful when picking which babies to keep back and which to sell as normals.

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My mojave Het Hypos are really easy to spot.. it's weird..

Head Spots...that's all I have to say! We have produced over 40 Het Hypos throughout the past years and EVERY one of them had a head spot.

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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles

Head Spots...that's all I have to say! We have produced over 40 Het Hypos throughout the past years and EVERY one of them had a head spot.

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This.

guess some "recessive" traits arn't recessive then

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Originally Posted by Sloanreptiles

Head Spots...that's all I have to say! We have produced over 40 Het Hypos throughout the past years and EVERY one of them had a head spot.

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How would I spot this on a Pastel Het Ghost? I will be breeding my male Pastel Het. Ghost to a big female normal this year and I wanted to try spotting what I feel are my best "het" candidates. The head spot and orangish color would both be fairly difficult to spot on a pastel...IMO. Do they have any kind of belly markers? If I recall...my breeder pointed out his Het Ghosts have something going on with their stomachs.

Thanks for the comments guys.

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Originally Posted by demjor19

How would I spot this on a Pastel Het Ghost? I will be breeding my male Pastel Het. Ghost to a big female normal this year and I wanted to try spotting what I feel are my best "het" candidates. The head spot and orangish color would both be fairly difficult to spot on a pastel...IMO. Do they have any kind of belly markers? If I recall...my breeder pointed out his Het Ghosts have something going on with their stomachs.

Thanks for the comments guys.

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Pastel het ghosts tend to be lighter and brighter than plain pastels of the same age/size. Het ghost may or may not show on a normal het but it can be quite obvious when in combination with some co-dom morphs, particularly those that are also reduced melanin like pastels.

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Originally Posted by yardy

Pastel het ghosts tend to be lighter and brighter than plain pastels of the same age/size. Het ghost may or may not show on a normal het but it can be quite obvious when in combination with some co-dom morphs, particularly those that are also reduced melanin like pastels.

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I have a pastel that's het for ghost and I haven't seen many with this kind of blushing:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/DSC00302.jpg

Both Ian G. Line black pastels one is also a 100% het ghost one is a a normal Black pastel.

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/SDC12719.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...te/Scarlet.jpg

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Originally Posted by piper

I have a pastel that's het for ghost and I haven't seen many with this kind of blushing:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...e/DSC00302.jpg

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Should mention it's only 66% poss het hypo.

I agree with the previous posts! In my experience Pastel het for ghosts are a lot brighter and have more blushing than regular pastels.

Here is my Pastel Het ghost Capri. She is around 500 grams in the pic.

http://dailybulldogs.com/balls/pics/capri_1.jpg

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Originally Posted by koloo921

I agree with the previous posts! In my experience Pastel het for ghosts are a lot brighter and have more blushing than regular pastels.

Here is my Pastel Het ghost Capri. She is around 500 grams in the pic.

http://dailybulldogs.com/balls/pics/capri_1.jpg

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She's a very pretty girl, congratulations.

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Originally Posted by yardy

She's a very pretty girl, congratulations.

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Thank You! I learned something from this thread. I never thought to look at her shed. She just shed today so I checked it. Its clear like a ghosts shed.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

if there was any markers, it wouldn't be a recessive trait, it would be co-dom. Hypo is recessive, therefore there are no markers.

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What about the widely agreed upon Pied Markers trailing the tail of every recessive piedball het I have.

Sorry but Co-doms dont need markers at all. They are usually the Visually Heterozygous form of their "Super" Homozygous dominant form morph if one exist for the certain trait you are looking to produce...

Unless you are ref. to the head spot of fires and so on....

It is not proven but in some of my offspring they tend to be way more blushed when Het for Ghost than their siblings. I use Orange ghost lines and this is what I have noticed. Bryan at BHB showed me this also and believes there is a possibility. I purchased a Mojo HEt ghost from him and he compared to other Mojo's he had. No doubt that The het is blushed and lighter in color than its siblings...
Like I said not proven...
J

Well...Since this thread was started I have successfully bred my male Pastel Het Ghost to a normal and the hatchlings are coming out now! I have another thread with these twins pictures posted, but here they are again. As some people stated...Het ghosts may have alot more blushing than a "normal". These two have a "look" to them (especially their heads) and I would like your feedback. They are both possible hets and girls!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...s/DSCN1818.jpg

any more pictures of the hatchlings?

Well I posted earlier about my het ghost girl she is bright. I have 4 100% het ghosts and 1 ph ghost. The 100% hets all have head spot (on het ghost girl it looks like a heart) They are all super bright and the het ghost and spider het ghost have yellow bellies. I have a pic from this morning cleaning out my 4 100% het ghosts. Male butter het ghost and the rest female, het ghost, spider het ghost and ghost...
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...i/photo268.jpg

My possible het ghost pastel male

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/...ix/photo99.jpg