Is there a 4 trait BP?

I know there are a few with 3 traits in them, but is there one with 4? From my understanding (depending on the traits of course and what's dominant and what's not) you would have to have 2 snakes with 2 different traits in each, and then even if they were compatiable, you'd have a 1/16 chance of it. Is this correct?

I'm trying to understand just a bit here (not that I'm breeding) but curiosity has the cat by the tail right now.

P.S. I'm still trying to learn so please excuse any ignorance that I may have. :)

Killer Blast.......super pastel (2 traits pastel), spider and pin
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...-(updated-pics)

if you consider super's as two gene's then yea I suppose..but I know that NERD produced a
Super pastel spider Pin Woma.. so even without the super there are 4 with the super there are 5

Killer blast only has 3 unique genes, not 4. Yes, they got two COPIES of the pastel gene - but it's still a pastel gene.

Inferno is also 4 gene - pastel, YB, hidden gene woma, granite.

NERD has the most 4 gene and higher combos to date. Some haven't even been shown yet.

There is also BHBs super pastel, enchi, lesser, spider thats for sale.

I don't see why you couldn't have as many genes as there are available, it's just a looooong waiting/chance game :P

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

start counting... ;)

When i went to NERD he had a fader enchi inferno. 6 gene ball python, and he showed it like it was nothing, so my interpretation was that he probably has some even higher than 6 :O

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...g2_itemId=3368

There are and this one is one of my favorites http://www.benrenick.com/queenspin_bp.html :gj:

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Originally Posted by alan1

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

start counting... ;)

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I know about the morphs page lol. I also know about the wizard page. The reason I asked is because of the genetics wizard. Obviously you "could" have more than 4 genes, and as already stated in this thread there are some, but the chances are so slim each time you breed.

It's exponential to be exact. A 4 trait python you have a 1/16 chance of being born. Out of lets say an average of 6 eggs, that's a VERY slim chance. When you start to put a 4 trait X 4 trait python, (If possible) your odds would theorhetically jump to 1/256 chance of being born with all 8 traits. Granted it "could" happen, but your chances are so slim, not to mention all the genetics would have to be compatible as well.

(This is all theorhetical) ^^^

If you must know, the genetics wizard can't handle it, but a 8 trait X 8 trait, the chances of getting all 16 traits together is 1/65,536 of being born.

The numbers are absolutely mind boggling. So I understand how NERD could have a 6 trait python, but man, talk about hitting the odds.

Eh, was more of a jest than anything, but I suppose you could try and beat the odds. I'm a bit less of a gambler and would probably just work my way up morph by morph through the generations (just adding 1 at a time). Still a chance game, and one I'm not very interested in xD but it could theorhetically work

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Eh, was more of a jest than anything, but I suppose you could try and beat the odds. I'm a bit less of a gambler and would probably just work my way up morph by morph through the generations (just adding 1 at a time). Still a chance game, and one I'm not very interested in xD but it could theorhetically work

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I'm not interested so much in the actual breeding, but I enjoy trying to figure out odds and realizing how lucky some breeders are. :)

It's very cool stuff when you think about it.

BHB has produced a (superpastel butter enchi spider) i know enchi is a kind of (or used to be called enchi pastels) pastel

but thats a 4banger.

Lets not forget Colin Weaver's Silver Surfer. One of the hottest quad morphs in my opinion. ghost, super pastel, black pastel, lesser. I hope to get things like this someday. Still need snakes to get started though, and a recent move to Alaska has put that off for another few years.

Brian at BHB produces 4 and 5 bangers every year!

There have been plenty of 4 or more gene combo's produced. That's not including having supers as part of the count.

Off the top of my head real quick, these breeders have produced some:
NERD
BHB
Brock Wagner
Marcus Jayne
Collin Weaver
Corey Woods
I'm sure there are more that I'm missing but like I said, that's just off the top of my head real quick.

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Originally Posted by panthercz

There have been plenty of 4 or more gene combo's produced. That's not including having supers as part of the count.

Off the top of my head real quick, these breeders have produced some:
NERD
BHB
Brock Wagner
Marcus Jayne
Collin Weaver
Corey Woods
I'm sure there are more that I'm missing but like I said, that's just off the top of my head real quick.

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Ralph Davis also has some! Its not a 4 banger but his dreamsicles are amazing!!!

But once you did hit that 8 dominant/co dominant gene combo (probably with the help of some homozygous parents, like a super pastel +3 on one side and ivory +3 on the other side for only a 1 in 64 chance of the 6 genes not guaranteed like pastel and yb) when you breed it to normals the eggs would only have a 1 in 256 chance of hatching a normal. You might breed a 8 gene combo its entire life and never hatch a normal regardless of what you bred it to.

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Ralph Davis also has some! Its not a 4 banger but his dreamsicles are amazing!!!

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Just remember that for those people that count "Supers" as 2 genes, then a Dreamsicle would be a 4 gene animal. It is double Homozygous, and many people these days use the term Super interchangably with Homozygous.

I do not describe it like that, but some may.

go here and click on the name of the snake for the pic :gj: http://wallflowerherps.weebly.com/ba...caresheet.html

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Originally Posted by seeya205

Brian at BHB produces 4 and 5 bangers every year!

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yes he does and i hate to say,

i would kill to be him.