WTF! What to do?

the bee still with supplier, he tried feeding. But when he came back this happen.
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i have paid full amount, and now i want a refund or replacement. But what is i just take it and treat it. Is it curable & treatable?
here is the before picture..:(
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UMMMM that's not fresh..and it looks like a rat chewed it.. get your money back and find another one..

Is the a burn down the spine? Id return it but if you want to treat it it will prob b that way for at least a few weeks til next shed

That does not look deep enough to be a rat chew, at all.

I think it may even heal with a shed or two.

looks more like a burn to me, but I'm no expert...sorry dude. I'd almost say just take it simply so you know it WILL get treated. It seems like the other guy is def. doing something VERY wrong....Good luck, and I hope he gets better

seeing that it is still with him i would want my money back and wouldnt stop tell i got it. he is Responsible for the snake untill you take delivery it dosnt matter if its payed for or not

It looks like there is more than just the injury going on. The poor thing looks like her body is swollen from just above to just below the injury. I would demand my money back and as much as I would hate to do it, I would return the poor girl.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/134923boa-med.jpg this is a boa that was ate up by a rat, and no its not one of mine, it was one that was droped off at a store i work at. yours look more like a burn. Get your money back!

Gosh, looks painful :(

Without knowing exactly WHAT caused this injury, there is no telling if and how it will heal.

What bothers me a lot is that the seller just has "no idea" how this happened. Yeah right.

Based on that alone, I would demand a refund.

Poor snake.

That is from a rat.It will get better after a few sheds,but it will never go away.This will scar the pattern.Also the snake may go off food(fear).Unfortunatly I missed a rat one feeding day and this happened to one of my Het.caramel females.She is back eating and has had numerous sheds,but the scars remain.Should not effect the snakes ability to breed,but he/she wont be a "looker".All the best

That looks like a thermal burn to me. I would ask for a full refund.

If anything, I would take something like that on as a rescue, not buy it.

True, could heal fine, with or without scar. Could also leave an ugly scar. Could also cause long-term problems with health or feeding. Just no guarantees.

What this snake needs is some intensive care. If this is a burn, the skin could begin to open up and slough off. This could get all kinds of ugly :(

Hopefully this seller will do whats right, as in giving the snake the care it needs (as well as making sure this won't happen again) or giving it to someone who will.

Looks like rat bites that are starting to heal to me. Either way, if you paid for what is in the bottom two pictures and you'll be getting what's in the top pictures, I'd demand a refund.

How did you get those pictures? The seller volunteered them to you?

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Originally Posted by EdShal

the bee still with supplier, he tried feeding. But when he came back this happen.

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i would also say thermal burn, but the OP stated that he tried feeding.. and the fact that he had to "come back" suggests it wasn't a monitored feeding... which means it could have a failed strike and it led to an aggravated prey item started chewing on the poor snake...

i vote rat bites, and i also agree that you should get your money back ASAP. bad breeder; unhealthy / injured snake = not worth your money... :(

sorry for the bee :(

I agree with demanding your money back and moving on. I've had bad experiences with snakes that came to me chewed up. It took my albino 7 months to eat again.

how sad IM SO SORRY AND YES i'd take everyone elses advice on refund....i had a girl bring me her snake crying not knowing what to do we had to put her down shed had been attacked by a rat and a pet shop vet and previous owner gave her nothing but bad advice......as soon as my wee ones come out and are good and going she is getting one of my babies free of charge due to she was a devoted owner that had been given horrid advice......again so sorry

Dude get your m o n e y back! The breeder is not being honest with you. Trust me he knows what happen to the snake. Just my 2cents. Just look at the before and after pic. Thats not what you paid for and you should not have to play "vet" unless it was in your care or rescue. G e t y o u r r e f u n d !!! That breeder is mess up. I would not even show you that bee but gave you your whole refund back with an apology. Your title wtf is right.

Looks like a burn or a disease. I would get your money back and find a better breeder to buy from. There's no dates on the pics to prove when it happened. Good Luck

i talk to the seller. And made a deal. either I get a replacement. (cause i agree to buy the healthy snake which is in the before picture not the injured one.. :tears: ) or he treat it, until recover or until at least it back to feeding.

either way, im getting a refund, if the bee dont make it. I was this close to getting a bee.. :rage:

im not saying the seller is bad. cause i made numerous dealing with him before. the good thing is he send picture before, then send one again when bad thing happen. this is the 1s time, something this bad happen. i can say he is honest, but like he say, its a mice bite, not rat. i have to take his word.

Burn marks, we around here dont use heat mats, or heat lamp.

If you want it then tell him you will give him half. This way you can bring it back to health and then breed it to make more!

OK fans, BG will tell you what's going on here.

This is absolutely 100% from a feeder rodent. Unfortunately this has happened to BG a couple times over the years....and probably almost every larger breeder. Always make sure you get well fed rodents. It is perfectly safe(99.99999% of the time) to leave a rodent in with a snake over night if it's well fed and watered, if not, this can happen.:taz: If you have hides in with your snakes you may miss the fact that it didn't eat and leave a rodent in for a few days. This can happen then also. Be careful fans.

This snake will probably be fine, but you don't want it. Maybe for half price. There is a good chance it's not a good feeder, and this may make it worse. Get your money back for this animal. You'd be foolish to take it unless it's at least half price.

Either someone is just crazy here or these rats are on the juice man. I would return that thing. If you cant, and ur willing to stick with it it will take more then weeks for him/her to recover maybe months. You gotta make sure he's drinking and eating if not, there might really not be a happy ending here. Im sorry you had this issue happen.

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

OK fans, BG will tell you what's going on here.

This is absolutely 100% from a feeder rodent. Unfortunately this has happened to BG a couple times over the years....and probably almost every larger breeder. Always make sure you get well fed rodents. It is perfectly safe(99.99999% of the time) to leave a rodent in with a snake over night if it's well fed and watered, if not, this can happen.:taz: If you have hides in with your snakes you may miss the fact that it didn't eat and leave a rodent in for a few days. This can happen then also. Be careful fans.

This snake will probably be fine, but you don't want it. Maybe for half price. There is a good chance it's not a good feeder, and this may make it worse. Get your money back for this animal. You'd be foolish to take it unless it's at least half price.

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SAY WHAT!!!!!!!

It is perfectly safe(99.99999% of the time) to leave a rodent in with a snake over night if it's well fed and watered, if not, this can happen


no its not, because this CAN happen.

No, it's not worth the risk. The seller clearly did something VERY wrong, and if that was wrong, what else is wrong?
Get a refund, and buy a different bee.

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Originally Posted by smd58

SAY WHAT!!!!!!!

It is perfectly safe(99.99999% of the time) to leave a rodent in with a snake over night if it's well fed and watered, if not, this can happen


no its not, because this CAN happen.

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Agreed! That 0.000001% chance doesn't make it worth the risk...

Wow that is terrible. I am a total sucker...so I would demand that I get at least half of my $$ back. But for me...there is NO WAY I could return the snake. That is where the softie ..."I can fix him" part of me comes into play. I would take him to the vet to get some antibiotics and nurse him back. :cool: I would also be sure to note what happened on the BOI. That is the first place I would check prior to working with a new breeder.

BG...sit down as this may shock you..coming from me. (sorry:()) But I totally disagree with leaving any live animal in with your snakes overnight. I realize that some of you that are bigger breeders may be on a time crunch but to me you can prekill if there is no strike and leave it in the tub on the warm end. That would be the safest alternative.

Hi,

Unless I misundertood his post the snake is still in the breeders posession?

He has paid full price so is able to get a refund easily as nothing needs to be shipped anywhere.

I'm not sure what I would do in his position - I think a lot depends on how available female bee's are over there.

Can anyone reasure me that, once healed, the scarring shouldn't affect her ability to breed?


dr del

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Originally Posted by smd58

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/134923boa-med.jpg this is a boa that was ate up by a rat, and no its not one of mine, it was one that was droped off at a store i work at. yours look more like a burn. Get your money back!

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1 rat did this:confused: Looks like someone skinned the snake to make a pair of boots...

I was running a pet store at the time and that snake was droped of and the people that gave it to the store said one rat did that, the snake was took to a vet and he also thinks that it was more then one rat or one that was left in a long time, we were unable to save the snake, and it was put down by the vet, i save the picture to help people learn that to leave a unsupervised rat/mouse in with snake is NOT a good thing to do.
steve

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Originally Posted by smd58

I was running a pet store at the time and that snake was droped of and the people that gave it to the store said one rat did that, the snake was took to a vet and he also thinks that it was more then one rat or one that was left in a long time, we were unable to save the snake, and it was put down by the vet, i save the picture to help people learn that to leave a unsupervised rat/mouse in with snake is NOT a good thing to do.
steve

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What are you talking about?? You are not the person that put up the photo nor does that match the story??

look at gamebreds post a few up and click on the link,
steve

Get your money back.

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Originally Posted by smd58

SAY WHAT!!!!!!!

It is perfectly safe(99.99999% of the time) to leave a rodent in with a snake over night if it's well fed and watered, if not, this can happen


no its not, because this CAN happen.

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Do you get in a car and drive? You could get killed yah know. Anything "can happen", but this is not gonna happen with a well fed rodent that you make sure you remove the next day.

Big Gunns probably didn't even give it the right percentage. The possibilty is so remote that it's not worth the extra HOURS a week it will take to do things differently with large collections. Some people won't like it, but it's an "acceptable risk" that breeders take. Just like the "acceptable risk" you take when getting in a car.

You'd have to be a large breeder to understand.

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Originally Posted by MarkieJ

Agreed! That 0.000001% chance doesn't make it worth the risk...

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You'd have to be a large breeder to understand. It's really that simple.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

Wow that is terrible. I am a total sucker...so I would demand that I get at least half of my $$ back. But for me...there is NO WAY I could return the snake. That is where the softie ..."I can fix him" part of me comes into play. I would take him to the vet to get some antibiotics and nurse him back. :cool: I would also be sure to note what happened on the BOI. That is the first place I would check prior to working with a new breeder.

BG...sit down as this may shock you..coming from me. (sorry:()) But I totally disagree with leaving any live animal in with your snakes overnight. I realize that some of you that are bigger breeders may be on a time crunch but to me you can prekill if there is no strike and leave it in the tub on the warm end. That would be the safest alternative.

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"safest" and best are two different things. These are Ball Pythons, they don't all eat that way.

Yeah yeah BG knows some of you righteous "experts" are not gonna agree with Big Gunns here. All BG has to say is that you need to walk in the bigger breeder shoes before you can pass judgement on them. Some Balls will just not east unless you leave it in overnight. BG has learned his lesson though. The trick is to leave food in there also. Unless you have some sort of psycho rat named Big Gunns:rofl:, it's just not gonna happen.

BG, I dont claim to be a big breeder, or a righteous "experts" only been doing this for 25+ years, and only got up to 200 animals. I dont claim that I dont feed live I just dont agree with leaving a rat/mouse over night, I do agree that leaving food in there will lessen the chance of the snake getting ate on, but not to the point of saying " it's just not gonna happen" remember you say this

Do you get in a car and drive? You could get killed yah know. Anything "can happen",


Sorry guy I think your great :gj: an one of the reasions this site is fun to read. We just need to agree to disagree on this point.

I would get a refund on this snake, and shame on the breeder for even trying to send this snake.
steve

Ed, I say let the breeder keep it until it heal. I understand that you have a long and great relationship with the seller to the point that the seller honestly told you what happen and gave you option whether to continue or not...

I know that in our part of the world, getting bumblebee is like waiting for a sun eclipse.. (hope I can get one hatchings next week).... so I understand you're itching to get one... I myself is losing sleep waiting for these eggs to hatch...

But if I were in your shoes, I wait until it heals in the seller hand and back to regular feeding and then decide. my 2 cents

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

What are you talking about?? You are not the person that put up the photo nor does that match the story??

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He was talking about a pic that he posted on the first page

improvements..
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btw, the bee is still with the seller. :)

Just clicked that boa getting eaten thing, its called frozen thawed..

update. the bee ate a p/k rat!! :banana:
i ask the seller to feed it 1 more time in 5-7 days. then, i think its ready to be ship!! hopefully no more mishaps..