Cinny ringer? Picture request to help me through this troubling time.

My male cinny IMHO is the best example of the morph, and my personal favorite snake in my entire collection. Those of you that know me well know that I have been trying to get him to father a clutch forever.

Well, it finally happened but I don't think the poor little girl is going to make it.
Out of an 8 egg clutch 4 were duds, 3 normals, 1 cinny. This was the 13 year old moms first clutch.

The 3 normals piped but the cinny did not so I cut last night. Was very excited to see an obvious cinny but was immediately heartbroken. Because of a knot in the cord, the sac was still completely full and the cinny was very skinny and weak. I didn't expect her to live through the night.

I woke up this morning and checked on her to find both she and the sack were out of the egg, and she looked dead. The cord was stretched out and totally twisted. I guess opening the tub scared her because it caused her to flinch and break the cord. Blood instantly started poring out of her. She lost a lot of blood. I ended up tying off the little bit of cord still sticking out of her with fishing line, and that immediately stopped the bleeding. She wasn't breathing at all and was totally limp so I assumed she was dead. She still had mucus on her mouth and in her nose holes so I i put her mouth and nose to my mouth and gently blew a couple puffs of air. It seemed to clear the mucus as she started to take the tiniest little breaths on her own. I layed her back down still totally limp, but breathing very faint, shallow breaths.

I checked on her again about an hour later and she was breathing deep breaths and no longer limp, but every few seconds was shaking violently... like she was choking or suffocating.

An hour later (right before I had to leave for work) she was crawling around the tub, turning herself upside down and back again. God I hope she makes it, she is so beautiful... one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.

I will post pics if she is alive when I get home tonight. she is very obviously a cinny, but also has 5 perfect rings in a row on her back. It looks really awesome. Does anyone have any pics of cinnys with rings on the back?

Good luck with her Mike...that was a nice jester. Most people would not have taken that extra step to save her.

Man that bites hopefully she makes it!

Wow man...what a story! Now i'm really pulling for her right along with you. If her rapid improvement this morning is any indication, I think she'll be just fine.

I too hope she makes it. This, so far, has been a season of miracles. I'm sure we can get a few more :) Good Luck with her. Can't wait to see pics of her and dad when she is better.

she is still alive, but not looking good. Snapped 2 quick pics. now I am late for work so have to go.. hopefully she will be alive when I return.

this is the dad:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC00476.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...a/DSC00480.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...vana/mocha.jpg

And this is the baby girl:



http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...PICT0021-2.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...PICT0019-2.jpg

If anyone has experience with such a thing.... If it does still make it, should I follow the normal schedule of offering 1st meal after it sheds, or in this case should I offer / force before the first shed?

my little boy (who isn't so little anymore) has rings along his back, but he is also a ringer. Ill take some better pics when I get home if you'd like. These are what i can find in my photobucket.

Guiness:
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/q.../ballingup.jpg

http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/q...ok/hidenow.jpg

ringer
http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/q...ok/Ringer1.jpg

I hope your little girl is ok Mike, she is so pretty. If it were me, in my extremely limited experience, I'd offer her food sooner rather than later. If she didn't get a lot of yolk, she doesn't have a lot of reserves to run off of. If she's smaller than average I'd give her a small hopper or small fuzzy mouse. Something that moves around enough to stimulate feeding but not enough to pester her little self.

Sorry about the little one. :(

My little cinny girl has one ring on her back.

Sorry I am at work and couldn't post a picture but here is a link to a thread I started when i first got her.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102299

Mike, I had a hatchling like that two years ago and I was pretty sure she wouldn't make it. She was extremely skinny, maybe worse then yours. I tried to feed her before she shed and she ate a small live rat pink which made a huge lump, that's how bad she was. She ate again right after shedding and became a strong feeder and grew quickly. I would suggest you try and get a small meal in her before she goes into shed. Good luck...

Oh, I really hope she pulls through for you. She's beautiful.

She is gorgeous, and a fighter too. I hope she pulls through for you.

I remember reading here just recently that someone whose hatchling didn't get the needed yolk was fed on some chicken egg yolk and it helped, so that might be another option to consider.

She really is just a lovely little creature, so like her daddy. I hope she pulls through for you. :strong:

Gale

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, I hope she makes it

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Originally Posted by angllady2

I remember reading here just recently that someone whose hatchling didn't get the needed yolk was fed on some chicken egg yolk and it helped, so that might be another option to consider.

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I've heard that too, but I also remember reading at least one story in which the egg yolk-fed hatchling died shortly after. It wasn't clear that the egg yolk had anything to do with it--obviously the hatchling was on the edge already--but the snake died with a rock-hard belly. So I guess I'd advocate going straight to pinkie mice?

I don't think donuts on the back are unusual, but I've certainly never seen so many in a row like that. She's a beauty.

I'm so sorry that your poor little girl had to go through that. Please keep us updated, I would love to see her pull through.

Here is a picture of my boy, he is a paradox super cinnamon.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...h_pets_034.jpg

well i just got home from work and she is still alive but it doesn't look good. She is VERY weak. Her body is pretty limp but is moving some in a jerking motion. I think she is simply starving to death. I just put a dead pinky in her mouth and am now waiting to see if she even has enough energy to swallow. if not I will try to work it down to the stomach myself.

This is pretty much a last ditch effort. death seems imminent.

Nope, obviously not enough energy to swallow. I just carefully worked two tiny ASF pinkies down to her belly. She is still breathing, but thats about it.

At least I can take comfort in knowing I did everything I could.

Her name by the way is Cheerio. get it? "Cinnamon Cheerios" (she is a cinny, and the ringers look like cheerios)

Good night sweet Cheerio.

This story is so heart wrenching, I really hope little Cheerio pulls through, she is a lovely Cinny. Please keep us updated on this little girl.

I am sending her all the strength I can that she makes it through the night. :grouphug:

Fight little one, fight!

Gale

I had a spider come out of the egg this year with a bunch of umbilicus still left hanging from his lower half, much like the pictures you posted. 3 days on moist paper towels and he was completely fine. He's still doing fine and has recently shed. I wish you the best of luck with her and I think IMHO that she'll be fine. Good luck sir. :gj:

Best of luck we'll be keeping our fingers crossed for her.

We had a hatchling with two knots in its cord this year, didn't get any yolk before it came out at all. He didn't shed with the rest of the clutch, but he started eating with them. He finally shed about a month after hatching by which time he had pretty much already caught up to his siblings weightwise.

They are hardy, I think she'll pull through as well.

I found her this morning laying with 2/3 of her body upside down. For the 4th time, I thought she was dead... But sure enough when I opened the tub and moved her she wiggled a little and showed she was still holding on. She was very limp and almost unable to move at all. The two pinkies seem to be completely desolved in her stomach cause I can't even find the lumps from them any more. I got a bigger fuzzy asf (that I know has way more nutrients) and put it in her mouth. she tried to swallow it her self, getting it just to the point where she could close her mouth, but then she gave up and laid on her side and back so I worked the fuzzy down the rest of the way to her stomach. Now again she is to weak to move at all, but is still breathing.

I figure that this is the last thing I will do, as it is no longer in my hands. From here on out she either makes it or she doesn't, on her own. If she just have enough strength to absorb some of the nutrients from that food she just might make it....

Here she is today with after eating the 2 pinks last night and 1 fuzzy asf today:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...PICT0024-1.jpg

Damn yo.

What a struggle.

Hope it pulls

It's possible that there's something else wrong with her, and in the end there's nothing you can do about it. Certainly you've done all you can do, and then some... but I'm glad to hear she tried swallowing! And I'm still pulling for her.

I hope you decide to keep her if she pulls through!

Poor little girl. Hope she pulls through

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Originally Posted by sarahlovesmiike

I hope you decide to keep her if she pulls through!

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Oh I have already decided 100% for sure and told her that if she survives she will be a PERMANENT member of my personal collection.... Now her kids on the otherhand, are a different story. :D

Poor thing. :( I really hope she makes it, and will be waiting for tomorrow's update... definitely a keeper if she does pull through!

Good Luck. I hope she hangs on and fights for you...

She is still alive. This morning I opened the incubator to see that she puked up the fuzzy... It was already half digested. She is still very weak but seems a little more alert. Will check on her again tonight before I go to bed.

I am sticking to what I said... and not doing anything else.

Another development by the way was one of the other clutch mates ended up being a female cinny also... (when it piped I thought it was a normal) :D

crossing our fingers and toes for the little one, good luck!!

I'm glad to hear she's still hanging on... I think she's a fighter! If she does survive, you definitely have to give her a strong name - something that means "warrior," perhaps? :)

She is still alive, and getting stronger. I put her back in the tub with the other siblings, and this seems to be helping her to build up her strength. I now believe she will make it.

She is still very lethargic though, and my concern now is shifting from mere survival to permanent damage... she may live but never be "right"

That is great news... I told you she was a fighter! I'll be interested to hear if she has permanent damage, but either way it's a miracle she's survived this long. :)

I'm glad to read that she is doing better. I hope she keeps up the good work,

Glad to hear it! Please let us know how she's doing if she makes it past her first shed and 2nd meal.

Yes! Glad to hear she's still fighting.

My heart goes out to your little fighter. I wish you the best of luck.

Glad to hear she's hanging in there. :)

Oh wow, good luck Mike!!! She is definitely a gorgeous one! I hope she makes it!! <3

best of luck. dave

i can't believe i missed this, Mike, it sounds like she's pulling thru for you. i wish you the best.

This is great news that she is fighting! I hope she continues to do well for you!

Any updates??

How is the little fighter ?

Gale

she is hanging in there. I haven't done anyting else to her. she is till in the tub with her siblings waiting for the first shed. she is half the length of her siblings, way skinnier (I mean skin and bone skinny), and moves a lot slower. Despite very high humidity in the tub, her skin appears dry and very wrinkled.

Biggest thing that concerns me at this point is her general "slowness" but she is getting stronger ever day. Now when you hold her she feels much more like a normal hatching. Only time will tell how much of that slowness may be a sign of permanent damage.

I think the real test will be in the upcoming weeks when it is time to see if she can / will eat on her own.

Hopefully she wont give up, I certainly won't give up on her.

I just read this and I hope Cheerio will become stronger everyday. Sounds like she is on the right track so far.

hope she is doing much better hun sigh she is gorgeous

best of luck with the little fighter!! i realy hope she will make it.
cinnamons are sweet!! and one with a story like that is even sweeter

I'm pulling for her. She's so precious. I hope she makes it!