Dinker clutch all out now..

Well they're all out. I reckon the long awaited pic of Mum will be a disappointment to most - you kind of have to see her in the flesh really. She just has a 'look' about her, not dissimilar to a fire, with light greeny eyes.



Anyway, 4 pastels and 3 'normals' from 7 eggs. Happy with those odds



Pastels first:

1.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010716.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010717.jpg

2.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010718.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010719.jpg

3.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010721.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010723.jpg

4.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010724.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010726.jpg



Now for the normals:

1.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010727.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010728.jpg

2.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010735.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010736.jpg

3.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010737.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010738.jpg



and some close up pics to show the non pastels markings.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010733.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010730.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010729.jpg



Here's Mum - shedding at the moment:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...3/P1010740.jpg

Told you.. you really do heve to see her in the flesh :)

these are really amazing beauties, gratulation,...

They all look influenced by something...just not mom lol! :O:confused:

Amazing babies you have there! :bow:

Very cool, I really like the look of these guys! Congrats!! Could you post pics of the dad?

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Originally Posted by Jsh

They all look influenced by something...just not mom lol! :O:confused:

Amazing babies you have there! :bow:

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Lol, Dad has produced 'normal' looking pastels, this is the dinkers first year and I was tempted to breed with a normal but due to her subtle but odd (in the flesh more so than pictures) I decided that a pastel may bring out any non normal genetics. Which it seems to have done.

All 7 of them are great looking snakes, it really looks like u got something else going on there. Those "normals" look awesome. :gj:

Nice. They have a sort of granite look to them. What's strange is, they all have it. Would be nice to breed one of those babies back to mom/other sibs to see what happens. Congrats!

I think its safe to say that non of those look like normals. I think you may have something there. I wish you good luck with those. You should breed on of those pastels back to mommy. Good luck with that.

yea i dont see any normals in there they are real nice

If that's the mom I would love to see dad. Those are some awesome babies:gj:

LOVE the head pattern on those pastels!

SO then mom is a super version of a codom that looks even more dramatic in the "het" form then it does as a super? I'm kinda confused as well, sorry. ~Caylan.S.~

Wow they are sweet :gj:

It has been suggested that it was incubation related..
Re incubation - they were @ 89.1f for 59 days before hatching - i'd be inclined to look at that more closely except all the other eggs in before/at the same time hatched totally as expected.

Others have suggested a hidden gene.

Mum looks fire-ish, the pic of her is her in heavy slough but she has nice bluching, nice yellow markings and a fire look to her.

Certainly something to play with. I'll keep a male to put back to mum at the very least.

First thing that came to mind was incubation temps. You would have to have some kind of visual snake to make it a codom or dominate gene and a pair of hets to make it a simple recessive(which is very slim odds you lined up hets from two different blood lines on accident). Also, hidden genes normal take other morph genes to play out. On the other hand, if it is a hidden gene, you are well on your way to making some nice crosses though. Congrats and good luck.

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First thing that came to mind was incubation temps. You would have to have some kind of visual snake to make it a codom or dominate gene and a pair of hets to make it a simple recessive(which is very slim odds you lined up hets from two different blood lines on accident). Also, hidden genes normal take other morph genes to play out. On the other hand, if it is a hidden gene, you are well on your way to making some nice crosses though. Congrats and good luck.

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Like I say - i'd have agreed if the other eggs on in their inc' carpets and the first clutch of royals on the same shelf hadn't hatched as normal/expected. Also the thermometers are recording ones - they show very little fluctuation :gj:

I'll keep a male and breed him back and see what happens then..

Re the hidden gene thing - she looks like shes got 'something' but its not too evident on photos - a bit like adult fires don't photograph too well. Thats why I bred her with a pastel rather than a normal - to see what came out lol.

Cheers

I'd STILL love to have one of those little beauties. :please:

I hope I'm so fortunate one day.

Gale

:O Wow!!! :O

(The End.)

The non Pastel babies do not look like Fires, and the Pastel babies do not look like Pastel Fires, so I doubt mom is a Fire or Fire related animal. Based on the pictures, I would be inclined to say some sort of wicked Granite, but mom really does not show signs of being a Granite. The fact that all of the babies are oddballs might be a fluke, or it might mean someone is a Super of some sort...which I doubt by the look of the mom. Might have been luck that they all came out oddballs. I would hold them all back, and breed a male Pastel cross back to mom to see what happens. They look like striped granites.....

Dave

Amazing babies keep them all if you can. I like them alot you might have something going there.

Good luck!

They are all awesome. You can send me pastel #4 and all the normals. :P

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

The non Pastel babies do not look like Fires, and the Pastel babies do not look like Pastel Fires, so I doubt mom is a Fire or Fire related animal. Based on the pictures, I would be inclined to say some sort of wicked Granite, but mom really does not show signs of being a Granite. The fact that all of the babies are oddballs might be a fluke, or it might mean someone is a Super of some sort...which I doubt by the look of the mom. Might have been luck that they all came out oddballs. I would hold them all back, and breed a male Pastel cross back to mom to see what happens. They look like striped granites.....

Dave

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I thought granite also, but, in order for them all to come out granite there would have to be a super like you stated. Either way they are hot.

That's an dinker project that is paying off big time! Very awesome. They look like a recessive Granite line type to me.

Justin

:clap:

I'd hold onto number two as if my life depended on it.


dr del

I doubt incubation temperatures had anything to do with it, since they were stable at 89.1 F as you said. Besides, has anyone ever seen THAT as a result of a temp spike? Missing eyes, yes--stripes and granite markings in ALL hatchlings, definitely not.

Every last one of them has exactly the same 'something' going on. The odds of that being a developmental abnormality are just astronomical. It virtually HAS to be genetic.

What's so striking is that it appears to have been inherited by the entire clutch. Could dad be carrying something hidden?

I would buy normal looking ones like that any day :cool: very nice

Those are amazing babies! Does the dad have a stripe? They all have that really awesome stripe, way too cool!

Congrats!

Congrats!
Looks like your dinking is working!

Wow! If you happened to line up two snakes with the same recessive gene by chance, that is amazing. Breed a male back to mom as well as to a couple unrelated normal females. That should answer whether it is recessive or hidden. In other words, just keep dinking. Maybe throw the male at another pastel as well.

I was at Petsmart today, and one of their CH babies had the same type of markings your 'normals' do from this clutch.

Definitely some really cool snakes. I hope you're able to prove it out because there's definitely something going on with them!

those snakes look way awsome congratz on them !!:gj:

Those normals look awesome....bout time the norms got some hype....the alien heads have multiple eyes...oh and the pastels look good to

Very nice looking hatchlings. I would keep the whole clutch and breed that whole clutch to each other in a few years to see what happens.

Grats,

Thanks all, your replies mean a lot.

At the moment I'm intending to keep them.. Wouldn't know what to ask £££ wise for them anyway lol.

It'll be an interesting project - I may take a couple to Kempton Park UK show for display if anyone wants to have a look in the flesh then come and say hi.

I'll post some more pics once they have had their first shed - see if the colours change much.
Cheers all.

Oh my gosh those babies are INSANE!!!!! I don't know what mom is, but my god, ALL the babies coming out all funky looking!!!! I would definitely keep them all :bow: :bow: :bow:

NORMALS!! NORMALS is what you say can i buy all the normals you have lol those NORMALS look wonderful an the pastels have gotta be super either way that was a great clutch to hatch out

Wow, nice! Congrats :gj:

I think They are all amazing!! I would do mother x son , father daughter , sib x sib normals and sib x sib pastels and sib normal x sib pastel and breed to more normals and codoms to see what else can come out I would keep them all!!! Congrats....

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Very nice looking hatchlings. I would keep the whole clutch and breed that whole clutch to each other in a few years to see what happens.

Grats,

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I agree with Tim here. Congrats :gj:

Very nice!! id love to see some post shed pics, some sure have some high white heads too.... u said the mom has green eyes? IMO the babbies def look granite. pics of the father too would help! here is a pic of my granite
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...s/DSC00725.jpg

The definately look like awesome striped granites! I would definately breed son to mom and raise up a daughter to breed with brother in a couple years! What a great project!!!

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Thanks all, your replies mean a lot.

At the moment I'm intending to keep them.. Wouldn't know what to ask £££ wise for them anyway lol.

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If you weren't keeping them all (and weren't overseas), I would totally be sending you a "how much?" private message about now... those are gorgeous!! :gj:

They are beautiful, I'm such a sucker for stripes.

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

That's an dinker project that is paying off big time! Very awesome. They look like a recessive Granite line type to me.

Justin

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But Hit that odd that You have Pastel Het for Granite (and You dont know that) and normal het for granite (and You dont know that) and just pair them is or pure luck or accident.. is like hit a lottery...

He is One Lucky Man :D

I thought granite was co-dominant.

Very cool. Congrats on the little guys!

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I thought granite was co-dominant.

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The genetics listing says it is. But I think they mean that it might be a recessive line of Granites.

Although I cant find any images of a Super Granite, and unless one has been produced I dont think it can be called a codom trait.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

The genetics listing says it is. But I think they mean that it might be a recessive line of Granites.

Although I cant find any images of a Super Granite, and unless one has been produced I dont think it can be called a codom trait.

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From i heard there are 2 type of Granites one of them is receive, second one of the is dom/co-dom

Lately I've seen add From OUTBACK REPTILES about Super Granite on Kingsnake...

To OP I think that most of people gonna support me here.. We really wanna see a "daddy" Picture.... PLEASE...

Of course.. if You don't wanna hide something..... ;)

Those look really cool!