Virgin Females

Do virgin females usually lay decent clutches? Or do they have high infertility rates?

Personally - I think its more maturity, size, weight.. Just my initial thoughts. I wouldnt think it would have anything to do with if she was a virgin or not. I have a record card of a female that was breed at 4 years old, over 2500 grams and laid 8 eggs.

Cause I got two virgin females creeping up on 3000 grams. Hoping they lay big clutches.

Niceeee!!! My 3200 gram female ( het ghost ) just gave me 11 smoking white eggs.. I breed her with my Spider het ghost. They are 10 days in the incubator.. Come on honey bee's. ;)

Yeah, a friend's virgin 2006 female was almost 2500 grams this winter, and produced eight huge eggs with no slugs.

Now I'm debating whether I should wait on my 2007 and 2008 females--mine are just barely at 1000 grams right now. I can probably get them up to size by October, but maybe I'd get better results if I wait a year?

Virgins are good for one thing, sacrifice. Whether your snake it a virgin or not should have no bearing over their ability to reproduce. Size seems to be the biggest factor.

Yeah I am definitely a believer in waiting.. I have a pied female that I am dying to breed she is at 1825 now.. but I keep telling myself wait wait wait.. LOL.. she is a picky eatter too. Will only eat ASF's.. Taking me forever and a day to get her weight up.

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Originally Posted by ScubaDiver007

Niceeee!!! My 3200 gram female ( het ghost ) just gave me 11 smoking white eggs.. I breed her with my Spider het ghost. They are 10 days in the incubator.. Come on honey bee's. ;)

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Would breeding a 0.1 spider het ghost to a 1.0 ghost have better chances at producing a honeybee then the 0.1 het ghost to 1.0 spider het ghost?

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Originally Posted by MGOBLUE

Would breeding a 0.1 spider het ghost to a 1.0 ghost have better chances at producing a honeybee then the 0.1 het ghost to 1.0 spider het ghost?

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Yes. But sex doesnt matter (as long as they're opposite sexes :rolleyes: ). With the ghost you have a 100% chance of the offspring getting that gene from that parent, the other parent you have a 50% chance of getting said ghost. Thus 50% of the offspring would be ghosts (50% of those would be spiders, thus 25% chance of honeybee).

With the het ghosts you have a 50% of getting that gene from each parent, thats 25% of being a ghost, then another 50% of getting spider, thus 12.5% of honeybee.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Yes. But sex doesnt matter (as long as they're opposite sexes :rolleyes: ). With the ghost you have a 100% chance of the offspring getting that gene from that parent, the other parent you have a 50% chance of getting said ghost. Thus 50% of the offspring would be ghosts (50% of those would be spiders, thus 25% chance of honeybee).

With the het ghosts you have a 50% of getting that gene from each parent, thats 25% of being a ghost, then another 50% of getting spider, thus 12.5% of honeybee.

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Thanks a bunch, answered my question perfectly. I am asking because I have a 1.1 ghost, as well as 0.2 het ghosts. I was going to add a 0.1 spider het ghost and breed my male to her. I am having an impossible time at finding a 0.1 spider het ghost. I have seen two 1.0 spider het ghosts on Kingsnake which I could just take and breed to my 0.2 het ghosts. I am thinking waiting for that female spider het ghost is the path I should take. What do you think?

The female could be better chance-wise. But consider you'll probably get her as a baby, then it will take 2-3 years to get her up to size. With the male you could have him bred to your two females within a year/year and a half.

One female producing 4-7 eggs in 3 years with a 25% chance of getting a honey bee, vs 2 females producing 8-14 eggs twice with a 12.5% chance.

It is up to you, but at your current needs and availability I'd go with the male.

True, both female hets will be ready this upcoming Jan, Feb and the male is almost ready now. I wasn't going to buy a baby 1.0 spider het ghost I was planning on spending some extra and going for the larger female spider at around 800grams and up to hopefully have her ready by Jan, Feb. Just really seems impossible to find.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Virgins are good for one thing, sacrifice. Whether your snake it a virgin or not should have no bearing over their ability to reproduce. Size seems to be the biggest factor.

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hahaha

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Originally Posted by MGOBLUE

True, both female hets will be ready this upcoming Jan, Feb and the male is almost ready now. I wasn't going to buy a baby 1.0 spider het ghost I was planning on spending some extra and going for the larger female spider at around 800grams and up to hopefully have her ready by Jan, Feb. Just really seems impossible to find.

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Thats a good point. But what weight are your current females? If they're gunna be 1500g by January then waiting til march/april for a male to hit around 500+g, or already getting a larger one, then you may be better off.

I'd say either look for a proven breeder female, or a male of most any size.

If you want the female come up with an offer price and contact breeders, you can find them all over this site.

My females are both a little over 1100grams and pound f/t medium sized rats weekly. My male hypo is a little under 400 grams and I feel will definitely be over 600grams within the next 6 months no problem. He also pounds f/t small rats. If only my 0.1 mojave het hypo would be ready this year.

Virgin females will never lay anything. Hence the term "virgin".

And as already said, no it should have no influence on the clutch size.



Gavin

My virgin 3 year old female laid 9 fertile eggs at 3000g this year

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Originally Posted by Gavin Cooper

Virgin females will never lay anything. Hence the term "virgin".

And as already said, no it should have no influence on the clutch size.



Gavin

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Haha good point! :8:

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Originally Posted by fishboyUK

My virgin 3 year old female laid 9 fertile eggs at 3000g this year

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She was no longer a virgin if she laid eggs. They're only virgins until they are locked with a male, after that they are breeders.


Edit: nevermind I just realized that you got the reference after your first post. lol

Gavin

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Originally Posted by Gavin Cooper

She was no longer a virgin if she laid eggs. They're only virgins until they are locked with a male, after that they are breeders.


Edit: nevermind I just realized that you got the reference after your first post. lol

Gavin

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Yeah, I read the first post, posted myself, and then saw yours. :D

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Originally Posted by Gavin Cooper

She was no longer a virgin if she laid eggs. They're only virgins until they are locked with a male, after that they are breeders.


Edit: nevermind I just realized that you got the reference after your first post. lol

Gavin

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Want to sell that 0.1 spider het ghost? How big is she?

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Originally Posted by MGOBLUE

Want to sell that 0.1 spider het ghost? How big is she?

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No sorry, she just hatched 2 weeks ago. Also not the right place to ask.

Sorry about the post hijack.


Gavin