Morphs...

Blah, Morphs get so confusing. Anyway my question is if a Normal was hatched but had Lesser Platinums as siblings would this mean that that Normal would be a Lesser Platinum HET?

No, lessers are co-dominant which means when bred to a normal , you will have lessers and normals, with the the normals being only that, normal.

Lessers are a co-dominant gene. The "het" in this scenario would be a snake expressing the lesser gene visibly. This means your snake is simply a normal that has lesser siblings.

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Originally Posted by iCandiBallPythons

No, lessers are co-dominant which means when bred to a normal , you will have lessers and normals, with the the normals being only that, normal.

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Alright, some lady is selling a Normal with nice patterns she claims that the patterns come from his Lesser siblings. Haven't seen a picture yet though.

The nice pattern comes from his parents, not his siblings--obviously.

It's entirely possible for good patterning and markings to be heritable (though not all of it is), but it has nothing to do with the lesser platinum mutation itself. If his siblings all came out normal, he'd still have the same markings.

If his parents lacked the lesser platinum gene, but had everything else they have now, he'd still look the same.

Lesser platinum IS a het. Lesser Platinum is heterozygous for blue-eyed leucistic.

Recessive: Heterozygous for albino looks normal. Homozygous for albino looks albino.

Co-Dominant: Heterozygous for BEL looks Lesser Platinum. Homozygous for BEL looks BEL.

Dominant: Heterozygous for Pinstripe looks Pinstripe. Homozygous for Pinstripe looks Pinstripe.

Sadly, BEL is more complicated than that, and I know you know, but I just feel like I should mention it. Several morphs (lessers, butters, mojaves, etc.) are "het" for BEL. I really don't think BEL is a codom gene. More like the result of the combination of the codom genes of these morphs, but not an actual gene itself.

I'm not sure what that means.

My understanding was that Mojave, Russo, and Lesser Platinum were all allelic, which is why you can get 'supers' when you combine them with each other, instead of only when you combine two of the same co-dom gene.

It makes no sense to say that BEL is 'not a codom gene'. The homozygous form of lesser platinum is a BEL, that is not in question. It's 2 genes, not one.
All homozygous forms are the result of 2 copies of a mutant gene.

If the allelic co-doms are confusing, then I'll use a simpler example.

The heterozygous form of Ivory is Yellowbelly. The homozygous form of Ivory is Ivory.

Well, you get BEL when you put them together, but I don't think that makes them "het for BEL." Are mojaves het for mysic potions? I think the leucism is more a result of the combination of the effects of the codom genes present. Or something like that.

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Originally Posted by stevepoppers

Well, you get BEL when you put them together, but I don't think that makes them "het for BEL." Are mojaves het for mysic potions?

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No, Mojo's are het for BEL as are all the other co-doms that make a BEL.
The Dom form(Super) is the BEL.

It's no different than his example of Yellow belly/Ivory

Hi,

but I thought specially the lesser has some hidden gene in it, hasn't it?

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Originally Posted by hunter94

Alright, some lady is selling a Normal with nice patterns she claims that the patterns come from his Lesser siblings. Haven't seen a picture yet though.

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I saw one of these very ads last night as I was browsing breeder pages. EDIT: This pages doesn't make claims that the pattern comes from the lesser lineage, but mentions the snake as a "lesser sibling normal".

http://www.ballpythonworld.com/Ballpythonforsale.htm

I'm not making a judgement about this breeder or his/her page. Just sharing an observation on topic with this thread.

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Originally Posted by JNballs

Hi,

but I thought specially the lesser has some hidden gene in it, hasn't it?

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No it hasn't ;)
A Lesser is a lesser.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

No it hasn't ;)
A Lesser is a lesser.

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I've read somewhere, that if you bread a lesser platinum, with a lesser sibling, there would come out a platty, so maybe there is some HG which brings back the platty...
Very confusing,...

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Originally Posted by JNballs

I've read somewhere, that if you bread a lesser platinum, with a lesser sibling, there would come out a platty, so maybe there is some HG which brings back the platty...
Very confusing,...

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I believe the "hidden gene" came from a normal that introduced it to the lesser.
A lesser is a lesser :)

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Originally Posted by Angry J

I saw one of these very ads last night as I was browsing breeder pages. EDIT: This pages doesn't make claims that the pattern comes from the lesser lineage, but mentions the snake as a "lesser sibling normal".

http://www.ballpythonworld.com/Ballpythonforsale.htm

I'm not making a judgement about this breeder or his/her page. Just sharing an observation on topic with this thread.

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Yea, thats what I'm guessing hers looks like. You can tell by the pattern that they have some lesser in them. Its to bad they can't be hets. =(

I could get a Possible het Albino for $30.
Or a Normal with Lesser in him for $25
Or just a straight up normal for $20

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Originally Posted by hunter94

I could get a Possible het Albino for $30.
Or a Normal with Lesser in him for $25
Or just a straight up normal for $20

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No such thing as "having lesser in him".
He's either a lesser or a normal :P
Buy the one that you visually like the most.
Pos hets are normals unless you plan to "someday" breed it to a visual to prove it out, just make sure it comes from a respected source.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

No such thing as "having lesser in him".
He's either a lesser or a normal :P
Buy the one that you visually like the most.
Pos hets are normals unless you plan to "someday" breed it to a visual to prove it out, just make sure it comes from a respected source.

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Yea, I know its either a Lesser or a Normal I didn't mean it like that. =p

I might breed some day just not sure.

the hidden gene comes from the Platinum, not the lesser platinum. (aka lesser).

Breed platinum to a normal female you get lessers and normal looking offspring carrying a hidden gene.

Breed the lesser to one of the siblings from that pairing and you can get platinums. or Platty daddys as ralph calls them.

Lessers do not carry that gene without expressing it, so if its got the second gene its a platinum.

http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

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Originally Posted by cinderbird

the hidden gene comes from the Platinum, not the lesser platinum. (aka lesser).

Breed platinum to a normal female you get lessers and normal looking offspring carrying a hidden gene.

Breed the lesser to one of the siblings from that pairing and you can get platinums. or Platty daddys as ralph calls them.

Lessers do not carry that gene without expressing it, so if its got the second gene its a platinum.

http://ralphdavisreptiles.com/collec...all_python.asp

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So, its somehow like het for platinum? Not in the genetical correct way, but a kind of, isn't it?

Hi,

I think it is more like the "lesser sibs" are het for platinum daddy gene - the lessers in the clutch are simply that - lessers.

:confused:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

I think it is more like the "lesser sibs" are het for platinum daddy gene - the lessers in the clutch are simply that - lessers.

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dr del

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yes, thats what i ment with my posting above ;-)