regurgitation???

hi guys.. i found some fur n a tail in my cage 2 days after i fed my ball python.. i duno was it regueg or poop.. help...

Pics?

I think they can pass hair without digesting it, but a tail makes me think it might be a regurge.

Are you using belly heat?
What are the temperatures?
How / With what are you measuring them?

Also, are you sure it was eaten? I've heard they can hide them and you won't know the difference between an uneaten and a regurge a few days later.

Maybe the tail just fell off with some hair after a struggle but the rest went down.

How could it regurge only a tail?

I'm thinking they're attached. Perhaps they were separated by digestion before the regurge? It sounds very odd. This is why I ask for pics.

How could the tail just fall off with some hair? How could the tail pass all the way through without being digested?

i regret i din take any pic.. because the 1st thing in my mind was to clear the mess.. my temp was 29-31 degree C. i never use any belly heat.

juz now when i go see my snake i saw a poop.. then at nite i heard some noise.. i realise is my ball coughinh n poopin wet sticky thing.. is she sick? i m worried..

have been poopin wet sticky thing daily..

btw.. i was feeding my ball a gerbil..

it is pooping wet sticky things? What do you mean? Could you get a picture?

Also, why were you feeding it a gerbil? Whats wrong with mice or rats?

What do you use for heat then?

your temps are 84F-87.8F which is low especially since it is not belly heat. My guess is that your snake did not digest and absorb as much of his meal as he could have had he been getting belly heat from an UTH.They help with the snakes digestion.

Gerbils often have chemical immunizations from pet stores and should not be fed to snakes. Same with hamsters and "fancy pet-only mice" from Petsmart.

What are the exact temperatures in the cage? What kind of heat are you using? I would get a fecal sent to a local reptile vet to check for parasites.

Gerbils tails will come off as basically a defense mechanism. The snake probably pulled the tail off when it coiled it.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

it is pooping wet sticky things? What do you mean? Could you get a picture?

Also, why were you feeding it a gerbil? Whats wrong with mice or rats?

What do you use for heat then?

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mine is an adult ball.. im afraid mice is too small for her.. rats is hard to find in my city.. currently i do not use any heat.. juz some natural sunlight..

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Originally Posted by kilabyte

your temps are 84F-87.8F which is low especially since it is not belly heat. My guess is that your snake did not digest and absorb as much of his meal as he could have had he been getting belly heat from an UTH.They help with the snakes digestion.

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omg.. every pet stores in my city do not sell under tank heater.. unless is for fish tank..

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Gerbils often have chemical immunizations from pet stores and should not be fed to snakes. Same with hamsters and "fancy pet-only mice" from Petsmart.

What are the exact temperatures in the cage? What kind of heat are you using? I would get a fecal sent to a local reptile vet to check for parasites.

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the exact temp in thecage is 29 degree C. i did not use any heat.. my city do not have any herp vet.

btw, can i use basking lamp for them? the only avaible heat souce i can find is basking lamp..

You could feed multiple mice (2-3 per week)

You could use a basking lamp but keep in mind that it will lower the humidity. Just make sure you have a good digital thermometer to read the temps so you don't over heat your animal.

Belly heat would be preferable though. Could you order a UTH online?

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

You could feed multiple mice (2-3 per week)

You could use a basking lamp but keep in mind that it will lower the humidity. Just make sure you have a good digital thermometer to read the temps so you don't over heat your animal.

Belly heat would be preferable though. Could you order a UTH online?

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would love to.. any website to recommand? btw, im located in asia..

btw, UTH = under tank heater ?

Well, that gerbil tail thing is just weird.

I recommend Flexwatt from http://www.reptilebasics.com/. Get something that will cover 1/3 to 1/2 of the bottom of the enclosure (probably 1' of 11"). Also get the $5 clips and ask them to attach them for you. Tape it on to the bottom of the enclosure and plug it into a THERMOSTAT (very important). This is what I'd recommend. Put the probe between the UTH (yes, under tank heater) and enclosure and use a digital thermometer with a probe placed inside on the glass directly above the UTH to set the thermostat temp.

I guess recommendations change depending on your location, but that's the general setup.

You really need to find a vet even if it means several hours driving. It's better than nothing in an emergency.

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Originally Posted by stevepoppers

Well, that gerbil tail thing is just weird.

I recommend Flexwatt from http://www.reptilebasics.com/. Get something that will cover 1/3 to 1/2 of the bottom of the enclosure (probably 1' of 11"). Also get the $5 clips and ask them to attach them for you. Tape it on to the bottom of the enclosure and plug it into a THERMOSTAT (very important). This is what I'd recommend. Put the probe between the UTH (yes, under tank heater) and enclosure and use a digital thermometer with a probe placed inside on the glass directly above the UTH to set the thermostat temp.

I guess recommendations change depending on your location, but that's the general setup.

You really need to find a vet even if it means several hours driving. It's better than nothing in an emergency.

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http://www.reptilebasics.com/ do not ship to my country. im located in asia. amazon.com shipping rates to my country is $500+!!:O:O

I'm sorry I am not very familiar with companies that will ship overseas. Where are you located in Asia? I am assuming your power outlets over there are different then ones over here so ordering a heat mat from the US would be rather useless.

Do any of the petstores over there have websites that carry the under tank heaters (UTH)?

the only way i can think of now is to do a DIY UTH with the use of Submersible Aquarium Heater. but im still figuring out how it can be done..

If you have access to 110v electric then I am pretty sure Amamzon ships anywhere in the world. If you do not have access to the 110v electric I would search for a converter that can be used with the heater & thermostat you need to give your snake the belly heat that is needed. I was feeding my snakes mice & as long as yours eats them he'll do fine on mice. You can try more than 1 mouse if still hungry or even more often.

http://www.amazon.com/Repti-Therm-Un...7350935&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/ReptTemp-Therm..._bxgy_hg_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Bright-V...7351423&sr=1-1

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Originally Posted by kilabyte

If you have access to 110v electric then I am pretty sure Amamzon ships anywhere in the world. If you do not have access to the 110v electric I would search for a converter that can be used with the heater & thermostat you need to give your snake the belly heat that is needed. I was feeding my snakes mice & as long as yours eats them he'll do fine on mice. You can try more than 1 mouse if still hungry or even more often.

http://www.amazon.com/Repti-Therm-Un...7350935&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/ReptTemp-Therm..._bxgy_hg_img_c

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Bright-V...7351423&sr=1-1

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amazon.com quoted me $500+ for shipping to my country!:O

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Originally Posted by qinw

amazon.com quoted me $500+ for shipping to my country!:O

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I find $500 shipping to any country a little hard to believe. I live on the east coast of the U.S. & have ordered items on ebay that were shipped from Hong Kong for under $10. :hmm:

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Originally Posted by kilabyte

I find $500 shipping to any country a little hard to believe. I live on the east coast of the U.S. & have ordered items on ebay that were shipped from Hong Kong for under $10. :hmm:

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Shipping & Handling: $465.00

Total Before Tax: $510.88
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Hi,

Best thing I can think of is to look on a local ebay or similar to see if there is anything like that on there.

Otherwise find the countries that use the same electricity levels as you do and look at their ebays or herp shops.

I had flexwatt shipped from the US via USPS and it was a bit of apain as there were customs charges but it was nowhere near the figure amazon quoted you.

But you need to have sourced a thermostat first as you can't use them without one with your ambient temps.

What voltage levels and freq are your electricity supply?


dr del

Dude, I couldn't answer that question for America. You an electrician or something?

Lol,

No - I did study electronics for a time though. :)

Over here that info is written all over the place - check your laptop chargers, tv specs etc and you should find it easily enough. ;)


dr del

i give up searching heat mat.. the only option i have now is to use red basking lamp.. is it ok?

the lamp shld i put outside the tub.. or inside the tub..?

humidity levels is high all round in my country so im not afraid..

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Originally Posted by qinw

i give up searching heat mat.. the only option i have now is to use red basking lamp.. is it ok?

the lamp shld i put outside the tub.. or inside the tub..?

humidity levels is high all round in my country so im not afraid..

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Lol

funny story:

I use a heat lamp sometimes, and a UTH others

And when I use the heat lamp, I find it hard to keep humidity DOWN. its at 76% atm needs to be 70 - 73. So dont be worried. Also yes I am using a tank.

Depends on how big your water bowl is i guess, Cuz mine is huge so my snake can sully soak when she wants

Good luck

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Originally Posted by MikeV

Lol

funny story:

I use a heat lamp sometimes, and a UTH others

And when I use the heat lamp, I find it hard to keep humidity DOWN. its at 76% atm needs to be 70 - 73. So dont be worried. Also yes I am using a tank.

Depends on how big your water bowl is i guess, Cuz mine is huge so my snake can sully soak when she wants

Good luck

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i currently using a tank but i m goin to change to rubber maid tub soon.. so wer shld i place the lamp?? inside or outside?

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Originally Posted by qinw

i give up searching heat mat.. the only option i have now is to use red basking lamp.. is it ok?

the lamp shld i put outside the tub.. or inside the tub..?

humidity levels is high all round in my country so im not afraid..

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A red basking bulb is fine but it may be a little odd to use it with a tub. Those bulbs get pretty hot. I would definitely leave the lamp OUTSIDE the enclosure though.

If your humidity is already high then you shouldn't have much of an issue. Belly heat is preferred but there are plenty of people who use lamps just fine.

I am still curious what country you live in? It much be pretty obscure if Amazon is charging that much for shipping.

Edit: If you are using tanks and lamps, I think I would just stick with that. Plastic tubs might not play too well with a lamp.

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

A red basking bulb is fine but it may be a little odd to use it with a tub. Those bulbs get pretty hot. I would definitely leave the lamp OUTSIDE the enclosure though.

If your humidity is already high then you shouldn't have much of an issue. Belly heat is preferred but there are plenty of people who use lamps just fine.

I am still curious what country you live in? It much be pretty obscure if Amazon is charging that much for shipping.

Edit: If you are using tanks and lamps, I think I would just stick with that. Plastic tubs might not play too well with a lamp.

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I agree with all this

But you COULD seitch to a tub if you had a UTH.

A tank and a bulb/UTH combo works, or the lamp alone can work

BUT make sur its INFRARED. or else it will disrupt your snakes day/night cycle. Also dont get a high wattage for a small tank. I had a 100 watt for about 1 day with my 20 gal and it was far to hard to control

Downed it to a 50 and im not having any problems now. So just be careful with the wattage you buy and how big your setup is.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Kaorte

A red basking bulb is fine but it may be a little odd to use it with a tub. Those bulbs get pretty hot. I would definitely leave the lamp OUTSIDE the enclosure though.

If your humidity is already high then you shouldn't have much of an issue. Belly heat is preferred but there are plenty of people who use lamps just fine.

I am still curious what country you live in? It much be pretty obscure if Amazon is charging that much for shipping.

Edit: If you are using tanks and lamps, I think I would just stick with that. Plastic tubs might not play too well with a lamp.

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pm-ed you. :)

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Originally Posted by MikeV

I agree with all this

But you COULD seitch to a tub if you had a UTH.

A tank and a bulb/UTH combo works, or the lamp alone can work

BUT make sur its INFRARED. or else it will disrupt your snakes day/night cycle. Also dont get a high wattage for a small tank. I had a 100 watt for about 1 day with my 20 gal and it was far to hard to control

Downed it to a 50 and im not having any problems now. So just be careful with the wattage you buy and how big your setup is.

Good luck!

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thanks buddy. will get a red lamp asap.

sorry what is the min L x B x H for a adult female tank? my country tank is usually all for the use for fish keeping. currently i m housing my ball in this.
http://www.exo-terra.com/download/hi..._Faunarium.jpg

For an adult female you will want something that has a good amount of floor space and not too much height. Ball pythons are terrestrial so having a huge tall tank isn't really practical.

A 30g breeder is probably the biggest tank you will ever need. the dimensions are about: 36"L x 18"W x 12"H

Hi,

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pm-ed you. :)



thanks buddy. will get a red lamp asap.

sorry what is the min L x B x H for a adult female tank? my country tank is usually all for the use for fish keeping. currently i m housing my ball in this.
http://www.exo-terra.com/download/hi..._Faunarium.jpg

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The place that you got that from?

Ask them if they can also order this.

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...ave_desert.php

And if you tell me if your electricity is 240V or 110V or whatever there's a fairly good chance I can find you a good thermostat to go with it that can be delivered.

**actually this one might be better given your ambients**

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...rainforest.php


dr del

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Originally Posted by qinw

pm-ed you. :)



thanks buddy. will get a red lamp asap.

sorry what is the min L x B x H for a adult female tank? my country tank is usually all for the use for fish keeping. currently i m housing my ball in this.
http://www.exo-terra.com/download/hi..._Faunarium.jpg

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Well, I dont know to much on how big a tank should be for an adult ball python, sorry

I currently have a juvi blood python so I am housing in a smaller enclosure until she out grows it

Sorry I couldnt assist you with this one, But im sure there are many people here who can on the tank size for the adult female you have

Good luck!

EDIT:

See, there goes Kaorte. :D

What country are you from? Somewhere in East Asia?

I am just curious, maybe one of us could ship you something if you need us to, we could probably get better shipping rates than amazon will give you...

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



The place that you got that from?

Ask them if they can also order this.

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...ave_desert.php

And if you tell me if your electricity is 240V or 110V or whatever there's a fairly good chance I can find you a good thermostat to go with it that can be delivered.

**actually this one might be better given your ambients**

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...rainforest.php


dr del

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the boss told me that he did order from us before.. but the voltage is the problem. ours is 240V here.. the only thing he have in the store which is make suitable for asia is this.

http://www.jbl.de/factmanager/index.php?lang=en

sorry is a JBL ReptilTemp
Heating stone

Hi,

The UK is also 240V sir. :)

If he can get that stupid stone ask him why he can't get any of these from the same company;


7114600 JBL TerraTemp 25W (400x400mm) 25 W 40 cm
7114500 JBL TerraTemp 15W (290x340mm) 15 W 34 cm
7114400 JBL TerraTemp 8W (200x250mm) 8 W 25 cm

You might need to change the plug on the end of the cable to your local variety but as long as both countries use 240V at 50-60 Hz there is no reason whatsoever they won't work once you do.

With that in mind you can then order from any country local to you with the same electricity. :gj:

If germany is your preference then check out their ebay for thermostats to control heatmats;

http://cgi.ebay.de/Lucky-Reptile-The...item19ba18443c

For example.

I have one of those and it works fine - even has an out of range temp alarm and can turn your lights on and off in a basic hours on/off kind of way. :)


dr del

i think i will buy a red lamp 1st for her.. the rest i will ship in later time.. rite now i will custom built a big tank for her.. i juz fed her 2 mice on thursday nite.. and i leave her alone.. juz now when i tk a peek at her i saw smth funny.. she rest on one side.. hmm i will tk a pic n show u guys ltr.. :)

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...3773/ballp.jpg

Was she with a male? I can't really tell from the picture but she looks very small (not at breeding weight). Do you know how much she weighs?