yes, another hybrid thread...

anyone seen the balltic from nerd? Im not sure but i have a feeling its a cross between a ball and a tic :rolleyes:

anywho, any one got any info on this?

Here's a picture

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...g2_itemId=3322

I'm a purist, nuff said

I wonder if anyone has ever made a burm x blood hybrid

hmmmmm welll its.... ummmmmm... interesting looking

I think I'll stick with just plain ol ball pythons

IMHO... eww. Balls and retics are both awesome enough animals by themselves. I too am a purist.

the only hybrid i half way like is a super ball but imo, the balltic is ugly and looks a lil deformed... but idk

I'll be curious to see what they will look like as adults.

It's a decent enough looking animal, but I'm a bit of a "purist" myself. Not saying I really mind other people breeding hybrids, as long as it's done responsibly. If they keep proper documentation and chip the animals, it's all good with me.

I don't automatically dislike hybrids. I really like the look of bateaters, angolianXball, and carpals. This animal doesn't look good to me though. Maybe it will be interesting as an adult we will see.

Interesting snake...Kudos for creativity, but not sure I like the Tic/BP mixing...

Interesting combo but I don't like the way the face looks.. it just looks wrong lol

I'm rather intrigued by hybrids.... I would love to have a burm ball :oops:

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Originally Posted by bad-one

Interesting combo but I don't like the way the face looks.. it just looks wrong lol

I'm rather intrigued by hybrids.... I would love to have a burm ball :oops:

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I love the burmball too, but that thing is...well...ugly. I don't like it. I wonder how they even got them to breed.....and which was the male, and which was the female??!!! :O ....kinda like a mastiff and a chihuahua gettin together....:rofl:

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Originally Posted by 4theSNAKElady

I love the burmball too, but that thing is...well...ugly. I don't like it. I wonder how they even got them to breed.....and which was the male, and which was the female??!!! :O ....kinda like a mastiff and a chihuahua gettin together....:rofl:

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I would hope the tic was a female, beacuase I dont think a female ball could hold a retic sized clutch.....but who knows :D

my brothers male pitbull 85lb dog, got my 25lb beagle pregnant..... well the vet had to do an abortion on the puppy or it would have killed my beagle :tears: so I have no clue how they got this done!

Very cool hybrid in my opinion! The next picture in the set looks much better than that one posted earlier in the thread.

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...g2_itemId=3324

I think it's neat looking!

the more I look at it, the fuglier it gets :D

dang! NERD beat me to it! I already have a lazy ball python male and a healthy female dwarf retic!

...and I wanted to name my "patent hybrid" as "Manila Tigerkillers"...lol.

In any event, hats off to NERD for this succesful project; hope they live long and well to adulthood. Can't wait to see how they look as adults. :)

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Originally Posted by retic720

dang! NERD beat me to it! I already have a lazy ball python male and a healthy female dwarf retic!

...and I wanted to name my "patent hybrid" as "Manila Tigerkillers"...lol.

In any event, hats off to NERD for this succesful project; hope they live long and well to adulthood. Can't wait to see how they look as adults. :)

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I say go for it... many people will pay top dollar for a rare hybrid....

I actually like it. I like the patterning and the eyes the most.

wouldnt mine owning that snake.

wow...... the coolest part of the retic (the eyes) dont look like they passed along..... Im personaly not a fan of hybrids..... Dont personally understand crossing 2 animals that would never possibly happen in nature.....

I really hope that the offspring will inherit the Ball python's docility and the Retic's readiness to feed...NOT the "feeding response"/"cage aggression" of the Retic and the Ball's refusal to feed :(

But wishful thinking aside, hybridized pythons prolly won't be able to survive in the wild...does this mean the dream of "domesticated reptiles" is closer than we think?

Very cool looking

The only hybrids I have ever found attractive were Ligers and Mules. I still dont see why people want to force animals to breed that should never breed. Goody temporary hybrid vigor, oh hey look hybrid breakdown in the second/third generation. Well, time to make a new first generation, du-hur.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

The only hybrids I have ever found attractive were Ligers and Mules. I still dont see why people want to force animals to breed that should never breed. Goody temporary hybrid vigor, oh hey look hybrid breakdown in the second/third generation. Well, time to make a new first generation, du-hur.

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A lot of hybrids are usually sterile.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

A lot of hybrids are usually sterile.

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I know, I was talking about when they arent. Ultimately they break down, F1/F2 could retain hybrid vigor, but it almost always breaks down in time, either to sterile offspring, failure to thrive, or death in the egg/shortly after conception.

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I know, I was talking about when they arent. Ultimately they break down, F1/F2 could retain hybrid vigor, but it almost always breaks down in time, either to sterile offspring, failure to thrive, or death in the egg/shortly after conception.

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Generally, the hybrids are bred back to one of the parent species. However, there are numerous colubrid hybrids running around that have absolutely no issues.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Generally, the hybrids are bred back to one of the parent species. However, there are numerous colubrid hybrids running around that have absolutely no issues.

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Really? How many generations and what difference between parent species? Same genus, different?

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Really? How many generations and what difference between parent species? Same genus, different?

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Well, in cornsnakes, they'll breed to other rat snakes (same genus, both new world and old world) kingsnakes (different genus). Then there's the other colubrids. I haven't been able to search up any issues. There have been hybrids bred past the f5 generation and there are also three way crosses (king x milk x corn). F1 clutches have the most issues, but what I've found, once you get past F1, there's no issues.

That's pretty crazy. Just goes to point out the differences between mammals, which probably are where most data is taken from, and reptiles. Hrm, wonder how many chromosomes/genes these species have. Same number of chromosomes would make things easier.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

That's pretty crazy. Just goes to point out the differences between mammals, which probably are where most data is taken from, and reptiles. Hrm, wonder how many chromosomes/genes these species have. Same number of chromosomes would make things easier.

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corns have 36 chromosomes
kings have 36 chromosomes

Didn't look for other species.

Raptor, I think I love you now.

Well my curiosity has been handled. Same number of chromosomes means that when the gametes meet it produces an organism with the correct number, provided the crucial genes meet up there shouldnt be much of a problem and within the subfamily there shouldnt be too much genetic difference. That's pretty awesome.

IMO that Balltic is a crazy cross, I really like it. The coloration, face, and the pattern is just insane. Very cool hybrid:gj:

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Raptor, I think I love you now.

Well my curiosity has been handled. Same number of chromosomes means that when the gametes meet it produces an organism with the correct number, provided the crucial genes meet up there shouldnt be much of a problem and within the subfamily there shouldnt be too much genetic difference. That's pretty awesome.

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Well, corns and kings aren't in the same genus. They're in the same family, colubridae, but so are half a million other species since the colubrid order is basically: It doesn't fit into any other category so lets toss it into the colubrid group.

I'm going to throw out a little different spin on this hybrid. With all of the different State and Federal bills pending, I don't think we need to associate the Ball Python with the Retic. Regardless of the looks of the hybrid snake, I think we are now putting the Ball Python in the same light as the Retic. I know there's a BIG difference, but them Congress Critters don't care and all we're doing with the Baltic is adding ammunition for their fight.

The Ball Python has always been seen differently than the larger pythons, but if they find out a Ball Python CAN breed with the Retic (and it's been done), they could start looking more closely at the Ball Python.

Just being overly cautious,
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

I'm going to throw out a little different spin on this hybrid. With all of the different State and Federal bills pending, I don't think we need to associate the Ball Python with the Retic. Regardless of the looks of the hybrid snake, I think we are now putting the Ball Python in the same light as the Retic. I know there's a BIG difference, but them Congress Critters don't care and all we're doing with the Baltic is adding ammunition for their fight.

The Ball Python has always been seen differently than the larger pythons, but if they find out a Ball Python CAN breed with the Retic (and it's been done), they could start looking more closely at the Ball Python.

Just being overly cautious,
Jim Smith

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Very true.

I'm against the balltic anyways.... just ugly and unnatural.

I like a lot of hybrids, but this one just isn't my thing.

I'm no quite sure how much sense the "it isn't natural" argument makes to me. Neither is air conditioning. Or chemotherapy. Or automobiles. Or organ transplants. If there is no harm caused to the natural balance to the breed in the native country, then....? And if the argument is related to the health of the hybrid animal, consider that we breed animals every day for our pleasure and benefit that would never occur in nature. Cows don't naturally give multiple gallons of milk a day. Broiler chickens cannot live natural lives due to their extreme growth. Many breeds of dogs have breed-related illnesses, etc etc.

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I like a lot of hybrids, but this one just isn't my thing.

I'm no quite sure how much sense the "it isn't natural" argument makes to me. Neither is air conditioning. Or chemotherapy. Or automobiles. Or organ transplants. If there is no harm caused to the natural balance to the breed in the native country, then....? And if the argument is related to the health of the hybrid animal, consider that we breed animals every day for our pleasure and benefit that would never occur in nature. Cows don't naturally give multiple gallons of milk a day. Broiler chickens cannot live natural lives due to their extreme growth. Many breeds of dogs have breed-related illnesses, etc etc.

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I mean I get what your saying.... but your talking about a snake that can grow 20+ feet and breeding it with a 5-6 foot max snake.... I would guess that the offspring had many deforms and it took many tries to get this one to work out.... just a waste.... but what ever floats your boat.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Well, corns and kings aren't in the same genus. They're in the same family, colubridae, but so are half a million other species since the colubrid order is basically: It doesn't fit into any other category so lets toss it into the colubrid group.

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Kinda like the "non-sporting" dog category? :D I wondered about that, since the colubrid family has such a variety... makes sense now!

As for this balltic snake, I think it's interesting looking but a little odd - curious to see how it matures. Do you know if they crossed with a normal retic, or a dwarf/super dwarf?