Are these supplies enough for a 3 week BP?

Hey, i'd like a little feed back on my BP setup, I havent gotten the snake yet, but when I get her she will be 3 weeks old (getting her June 20th - 25th, just after my Birthday on the 19th! ) anyway lol, heres what ive got so far:

Thermostat
2 Thermometers (One of which also has a humidity gauge) both are digital
One 20 Gal tank
Aspen substrait
2 hides
1 water bowl
Climb log (soon to be baked in the oven to destroy bacteria)
Lid with locks
UTH

Anything else that I need? Any input would be greatly appreciated



(I am very sorry for the 2nd same thread, I didn't realize i put the first in General pythons, instead of general BPs! my mistake! can a mod please delete the other?)

A 20 gal will probably be a bit big for a baby. Get like a 16qt plastic tub. You can place it in the tank so she may get used to it at the same time and you can still use it. Put like 1/3 of it over the hotspot of the tank, basically making a mini-tank inside the tank.

That's all I can think of. The logs not necessay and she could fall and hurt herself if she does use it.uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Sorry, snake interrupted me. If she does use it. They're clumsy.

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A 20 gal will probably be a bit big for a baby. Get like a 16qt plastic tub. You can place it in the tank so she may get used to it at the same time and you can still use it. Put like 1/3 of it over the hotspot of the tank, basically making a mini-tank inside the tank.

That's all I can think of. The logs not necessay and she could fall and hurt herself if she does use it.uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Sorry, snake interrupted me. If she does use it. They're clumsy.

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Okay! Climb log is gone, don't want my baby to get hurt

I am sort of low on cash, how expensive is the 16qt tub you are describing?

Under five bucks, I'd guess. I got a 41qt for $8. They're the plastic storage bins.

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Under five bucks, I'd guess. I got a 41qt for $8. They're the plastic storage bins.

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Ah! Okay, thank you very much! I really appreciate it.

The most important thing is a thermostat to control the UTH. It can over heat and be too hot or burn the snake. Pet stores do not usually sell these. My local petsmart occasionally has them but the quality is not that great. The thermostat is what the UTH plugs into. Then you plug the thermostat into the wall or your power strip. The probe for the therm should be taped with strong tape directly to the UTH under the tank/tub.

You will also need a digital thermometer with a probe to monitor the temperatures. Walmart carries one called a Weather Station. Its in the hardware/paint section by the thermometers and thermostats. Its a small grey unit with a big screen and a probe. Its less than $15.

This probe needs to be placed inside the tank directly on the glass over the UTH. The grey unit then sits in the tank on the cool side. The screen will show you the temp of the probe (hot side) and the temp of the cool side (ambient temp) at the same time.

The 20 gal will be ok if you do it right. The UTH needs to be 1/3 the size of the bottom of the tank. Put it on one side. Pick up 2 or 3 small cheap plastic cereal bowls from walmart or the dollar store. Cut a small hole in each and use these for the hides. They should have 2 identical hides that are small and tight fitting around the snake. Doing it with plastic bowls will save money as they grow so fast the first year and can just throw them away and get the next size up when it out grows the bowl.

Then you can put crumpled up newspaper, fake plants and vines or whatever you want that isn't too high so the BP will not fall off of anything and get hurt.

If you use these things and clutter up a bigger tank with lots of stuff the baby will feel more secure. One hide goes on the hot side, one cool side, maybe one in the middle. Wide and shallow water dish so it helps with humidity and the baby wont tip it over.

You will most likely need to cover the top of the screen if you use the tank instead of a tub. Cover it completely with a towel or use foil or something else and just leave a couple inches in one side for air. They need very little ventilation and you will want to try to keep the humidity at least 60% at all times. More when the snake is going in to shed.

Edit:: As for a thermostat to control the UTH heat, wait til some other members are up tomorrow. Im sure you can get some ideas on websites to buy from and brand names to get for cheap. The only ones I use are rather expensive and I cant think of the names of the lower cost ones right now.

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The most important thing is a thermostat to control the UTH. It can over heat and be too hot or burn the snake. Pet stores do not usually sell these. My local petsmart occasionally has them but the quality is not that great. The thermostat is what the UTH plugs into. Then you plug the thermostat into the wall or your power strip. The probe for the therm should be taped with strong tape directly to the UTH under the tank/tub.

You will also need a digital thermometer with a probe to monitor the temperatures. Walmart carries one called a Weather Station. Its in the hardware/paint section by the thermometers and thermostats. Its a small grey unit with a big screen and a probe. Its less than $15.

This probe needs to be placed inside the tank directly on the glass over the UTH. The grey unit then sits in the tank on the cool side. The screen will show you the temp of the probe (hot side) and the temp of the cool side (ambient temp) at the same time.

The 20 gal will be ok if you do it right. The UTH needs to be 1/3 the size of the bottom of the tank. Put it on one side. Pick up 2 or 3 small cheap plastic cereal bowls from walmart or the dollar store. Cut a small hole in each and use these for the hides. They should have 2 identical hides that are small and tight fitting around the snake. Doing it with plastic bowls will save money as they grow so fast the first year and can just throw them away and get the next size up when it out grows the bowl.

Then you can put crumpled up newspaper, fake plants and vines or whatever you want that isn't too high so the BP will not fall off of anything and get hurt.

If you use these things and clutter up a bigger tank with lots of stuff the baby will feel more secure. One hide goes on the hot side, one cool side, maybe one in the middle. Wide and shallow water dish so it helps with humidity and the baby wont tip it over.

You will most likely need to cover the top of the screen if you use the tank instead of a tub. Cover it completely with a towel or use foil or something else and just leave a couple inches in one side for air. They need very little ventilation and you will want to try to keep the humidity at least 60% at all times. More when the snake is going in to shed.

Edit:: As for a thermostat to control the UTH heat, wait til some other members are up tomorrow. Im sure you can get some ideas on websites to buy from and brand names to get for cheap. The only ones I use are rather expensive and I cant think of the names of the lower cost ones right now.

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Thank you very much for all the info!!! I am gonig to follow all of it

One question though, Is it okay that I can only afford a Reptitemp 500R thermostat for now? I am already breaching 200$ with all the thermometers ect, The MAX I can spend is like, 280$

was just wondering about your thoughs on that Thermostat, thats about the only problem I have left, Im gonna get a butt-load of plastic leaves, 3 identical hides (as you suggested, plastic bowls) all the same colour, ect ect

And, thank you again for the thermometer/thermostat prob advice! Because to be honest I have no idea how those things work. So that helped a great deal

Again, thank you so much! I am deeply greatful to everybody for all your help


edit: Hey Foschi Exotic Serpents just saw your edit, as I mention above the 22 - 30$ Reptitemp 500R thermostat is the cheap-o one, althought ive heard many good things about it

This is about the same price, but digital, so if nothing else, it'll be much easier to use. The dial on the Reptitemp sucks.

Foschi's right, too. You could just clutter it up. The more you put in the more you've got to keep clean, though. Good and bad about everything.

Take a look at these threads and you will get some ideas of what Im talking about. The grey thermometer/hygrometer in the tanks is what you need to read the 2 temps and the humidity at the same time. T

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...7&pp=25&page=3

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...highlight=Tank

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...highlight=Tank

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...highlight=Tank

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...highlight=Tank

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This is about the same price, but digital, so if nothing else, it'll be much easier to use. The dial on the Reptitemp sucks.

Foschi's right, too. You could just clutter it up. The more you put in the more you've got to keep clean, though. Good and bad about everything.

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OMFG!!!! Free shipping!?!!?! thats 20$ off shipping! JESUS

i am buying, right now. My broke-ass has a 35$ prepaid visa and im doing it, right now LOL

Lol, I guess it is free.

And I copy-pasted in your other thread cuz I didn't realize it was you. Sorry, lol.

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Lol, I guess it is free.

And I copy-pasted in your other thread cuz I didn't realize it was you. Sorry, lol.

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No problem

Its my fault really, posting in the wrong forum for the win lol, also Foschi Exotic Serpents thank you! I am checking out those threads now, as I order this thermostat lol

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This is about the same price, but digital, so if nothing else, it'll be much easier to use. The dial on the Reptitemp sucks.

Foschi's right, too. You could just clutter it up. The more you put in the more you've got to keep clean, though. Good and bad about everything.

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Clean is important this is true. Thats why most of us use plastic bowls and if you use leaves and vines just get plastic and you can rinse them in hot water if they get dirty. You also dont need any special bedding. For a small hatchling its recommended that you simply use a few layers of paper towels or news paper. Its easier to clean, no worry of the snake ingesting bedding and you can monitor its "potty" when it goes on paper. To be sure everything is normal and healthy.

One more thing. Any plants and vines you get to fill and clutter the tank make sure you check them well and cut off any plastic loops in the stems. These sometimes have small loops for hanging purposes. You want to cut them so the snake cant get stuck in the hole of the loop. This happened to member here and she realized those loops need to be cut open or off.

When it grows into the tank you simply go down to 2 hides, proper water bowl and maybe a plant or 2.

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Clean is important this is true. Thats why most of us use plastic bowls and if you use leaves and vines just get plastic and you can rinse them in hot water if they get dirty. You also dont need any special bedding. For a small hatchling its recommended that you simply use a few layers of paper towels or news paper. Its easier to clean, no worry of the snake ingesting bedding and you can monitor its "potty" when it goes on paper. To be sure everything is normal and healthy.

One more thing. Any plants and vines you get to fill and clutter the tank make sure you check them well and cut off any plastic loops in the stems. These sometimes have small loops for hanging purposes. You want to cut them so the snake cant get stuck in the hole of the loop. This happened to member here and she realized those loops need to be cut open or off.

When it grows into the tank you simply go down to 2 hides, proper water bowl and maybe a plant or 2.

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Okay, so I gotta watch out with the plastic plants then, cuz almost all theo nes i looked at earlier had loops lol, thanks for that heads up :D

Also, im wondering, I am buying a starter kit... along with the BP ofcourse, do you think I will be recieving a tank with pre-cut holes for the electrical cords to run through? Or will it just be a regular 20 gal tank with no holes for the cords?

I know thats a very hard question since i dont know what the starter kit is called ect, and not to mention I forgot to ask LOL


edit: Ah damn, that Thermostat shipping special is for US only :'(

I have no experience with these starter kits, but do you know what it includes? I'm thinking it would all be one-size-fits-all, using the cheapest materials/products possible.

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I have no experience with these starter kits, but do you know what it includes? I'm thinking it would all be one-size-fits-all, using the cheapest materials/products possible.

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Well I was told it has a UTH, dont know the brand tho, also was told it has a Thermometer, probably not digital

BUT what I will say is that i am saving money on the BP and tank doing this, so im all for it

*well.. i think im saving, id have to check all the crap out in the kit and see what id have to replace*

EDIT: due to US being haters to me, Canadian, I am back at the Retitemp 500R lol. no free shipping for me :'(

Reptile tanks that have a sliding screen top will have little tabs you can pop out at the top but you wont have any cords going from inside the tank to the outside.

The thermometer we recommend. The small Weather station at walmart, takes AA batteries. The unit itself stays in the tank (like it shows in a couple pics in those threads I gave you). The probe stays in the tank on the other side (hot side) so no wires or cords need to come out of the top of the tank.

The UTH is on the outside and the thermostat which the UTH plugs into is outside the tank. Its probe will be taped to the bottom of the UTH outside the tank (under neath it). Just be sure to use those little plastic feet that come with the UTH to raise the tank up a little. Or you can pick up a 4 pack of furniture riser discs (floor protectors). They are near the therms at walmart. A isle or 2 down. They just look like small round discs or square. Plastic and a little flat. I have used these under the 4 corners or a tank before as well.

Actually we have lots of Canadian members here. I bet tomorrow you will get some more advice on what you can do if you still have questions.

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Reptile tanks that have a sliding screen top will have little tabs you can pop out at the top but you wont have any cords going from inside the tank to the outside.

The thermometer we recommend. The small Weather station at walmart, takes AA batteries. The unit itself stays in the tank (like it shows in a couple pics in those threads I gave you). The probe stays in the tank on the other side (hot side) so no wires or cords need to come out of the top of the tank.

The UTH is on the outside and the thermostat which the UTH plugs into is outside the tank. Its probe will be taped to the bottom of the UTH outside the tank (under neath it). Just be sure to use those little plastic feet that come with the UTH to raise the tank up a little. Or you can pick up a 4 pack of furniture riser discs (floor protectors). They are near the therms at walmart. A isle or 2 down. They just look like small round discs or square. Plastic and a little flat. I have used these under the 4 corners or a tank before as well.

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Oh, okay that sounds good. (Didn't know the UTH came with lifters for the tank, I was wondering how I was gonna raise it up)

anyway i just checked again and they have the weather station at home depot, which is odd

I checked on Home depot and Canadian tire, both the lowest are 29.99$ So i gotta check in store if thats correct :O

Wow that sounds like alot.. Make sure you are looking for the right one. It called Accurite Weather Station.

The entire thing is only about 4 inches tall and 2 inches wide or so. Maybe it cost more in Canada?

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Wow that sounds like alot.. Make sure you are looking for the right one. It called Accurite Weather Station.

The entire thing is only about 4 inches tall and 2 inches wide or so. Maybe it cost more in Canada?

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yeah, crap is extremely overpriced over here

Its crazy


BUT some good news, i was wondering, will this replace the Accurite Weather Station?

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

no wires, its digital, comes with a battery :) win win? :D

EDIT: Found one more

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

way more expensive, but it may be better?

thats about all i can find thats even close to what your describing (I also saw theo ne in a pic in one of the threads u linked, so i know what it looks like but still havent found it)

Close.. But not quite. You need to find one with a probe so you can have a probe on the surface over the UTH. The surface on the UTH in the tank should not be any higher than 92*. That one you showed me would work great for telling you the cool temp/ambient temp 78*/81*. but you would have no way of knowing how hot that UTH is where the snake will spend most of its time.

Keep looking. If you found that one Im sure they have one with a probe. Maybe search for indoor/outdoor?

You definitely need some way to measure the glass under the substrate in case she gets down there (i.e. a probe). A temp gun might work for this, and may be less money. You'd have to dig up the substrate to check it, though.

You may have to get creative, or spend more. You need what you posted, but with a probe.

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Close.. But not quite. You need to find one with a probe so you can have a probe on the surface over the UTH. The surface on the UTH in the tank should not be any higher than 92*. That one you showed me would work great for telling you the cool temp/ambient temp 78*/81*. but you would have no way of knowing how hot that UTH is where the snake will spend most of its time.

Keep looking. If you found that one Im sure they have one with a probe.

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damn, i forgot about the probe LOL

my bad, gonna keep searching, brb lol

EDIT:

OKAY I GOTS IT!!!

http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=2752177

"Press a button to display temperatures from 10°F to 140°F (-23°C to 60°C) in either Fahrenheit or Celsius. Graduated 0.1° increments reveal temperature trends long before they can harm pets. Equal accuracy is achieved in both aquatic and terrestrial environments, simply by positioning a temperature probe (attached to the thermometer by a 39" lead wire) in the spot to be monitored. Keep the lead out of sight by securing it with the included suction cups.

Choose constant temperature monitoring, or turn the unit off to save battery power (a battery is included)."

Victory! Lol

Oh also dont mind the .com, the same product is on the .ca, i went to the wrong website, the Canadian one is only like 1 dollar more! WEWT

Yes that one will work :gj:

See unless you get the expensive one, your thermostat may not be digital. In this case you will not be able to dial in an exact temperature. Some have just a dial with color showing low and high. So your thermometer in the tank needs to be digital and have a probe so you can be sure of the temp. Especially on the hot side.

If you get that thermometer and it doesn't tell humidity you can also get a very small plastic humidity gauge. Hygrometer. From your local home depot. Or just one of the dial ones from the pet store to check to humidity. These are only a few dollars.

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Yes that one will work :gj:

See unless you get the expensive one, your thermostat may not be digital. In this case you will not be able to dial in an exact temperature. Some have just a dial with color showing low and high. So your thermometer in the tank needs to be digital and have a probe so you can be sure of the temp. Especially on the hot side.

If you get that thermometer and it doesn't tell humidity you can also get a very small plastic humidity gauge. Hygrometer. From your local home depot. Or just one of the dial ones from the pet store to check to humidity. These are only a few dollars.

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Yeah, I was thinking if I can spare an extra 10$ i may as well just get http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=2753956 seeing as I need 2 digital thermometers anyway. comes as a combo so thats a plus lol

So the thermometer with probe and the one i just linked without will do fine with the peice-o-crap thermostat for now, until I can get a new one?

don't forget a thermostat!

You don't need 2 thermometers, just one with a probe. That does the job of two.

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don't forget a thermostat!

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Yeah, I got one, or getting one i should say lol, sadly its a peice of crap, because my budget is low :( 22$ thermostat for. the. win. lol

Nah, itll be okay. Im confident after getting the right thermometer with probe and one with that also has a humidity gauge


edit: Oh! Really :O

so if i use that one I linked for 10$ with the probe, it will do the work of telling me the temp of where the prob is AND the ambient air temp? :O :O :O


wow, i didnt know that. okay, guess im just gonna buy a cheap Humidity gauge then :) Thanks, you saved me a lil money lol!

That will be fine. You can even get one of those other thermometers you posted from home depot was it? With the suction cup to stick on the glass just above the substrate on the cool side. I think those are alot cheaper than the ones sold especially for reptiles. It seems just by putting the word "reptile" on it make it cost more when it does the exact same thing.

I personally have a few of those small accurite therms that have no probe and only tell one temp. I use them in my tubs in my racks. Then I only use a couple of the combo ones with probe in a tub near the floor and one in a tub near the top. Since they are all heated by the same long strip of flexwatt I only need to double check temp in a couple places. The other single temp ones are just to monitor the ambient/cool temp near the front of the tubs. I don't use any thermometers that are marketed for animals. They are simply too expensive.

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That will be fine. You can even get one of those other thermometers you posted from home depot was it? With the suction cup to stick on the glass just above the substrate on the cool side. I think those are alot cheaper than the ones sold especially for reptiles. It seems just by putting the word "reptile" on it make it cost more when it does the exact same thing.

I personally have a few of those small accurite therms that have no probe and only tell one temp. I use them in my tubs in my racks. Then I only use a couple of the combo ones with probe in a tub near the floor and one in a tub near the top. Since they are all heated by the same long strip of flexwatt I only need to double check temp in a couple places. The other single temp ones are just to monitor the ambient/cool temp near the front of the tubs. I don't use any thermometers that are marketed for animals. They are simply too expensive.

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yeah, on petsmart right now they are REALLY expensive.

I guess im just gonna buy the one I linked for 9.99$. its a thermometer AND humidity guage and its cheaper than a single humidity gauge and its digital lol


EDIT: ah you must have a good thermostat dont you lol :D

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yeah, on petsmart right now they are REALLY expensive.

I guess im just gonna buy the one I linked for 9.99$. its a thermometer AND humidity guage and its cheaper than a single humidity gauge and its digital lol


EDIT: ah you must have a good thermostat dont you lol :D

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Yep. I have 2 Helix, 1 Double Ranco and my incubator is controlled by a Herpstat. None of which are cheap but Ranco was the most expensive. I could have purchased another BP morph for what I paid for that one lol!

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Yep. I have 2 Helix, 1 Double Ranco and my incubator is controlled by a Herpstat. None of which are cheap but Ranco was the most expensive. I could have purchased another BP morph for what I paid for that one lol!

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Lol! wow I checked, all of those are over like, 100 dollars LOL! wow

Edit: if only I wasn't so poor.

well.. im not poor but i just wish that I could win some more money lol

Hey guys. I am finalizing my list of supplies to finally tally up how much money Ill be spending :D

The last thing I have to decide is, Do I need to get 3 thermometers?

One for temp, one with temp and humidity, and one with a probe?

OR

if I get 2

one with humidity and temp, and one with a probe, will the one with the probe work like a regular thermometer unless I want to get a reading from the probe?

What im sayin is, will http://www.petsmart.com/product/inde...ductId=2752177 work the same as http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

unless I want it to read the temp where the probe is? like can you cycle between those 2 options?

Thanks!

I am actually selling the accurites. I snatched a couple from my local store since some people have a hard time finding them. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...39#post1357739

Personally, that unit is the most bang for your buck. You ideally want one thermometer with a probe, one ambient air thermometer, and one ambient air hygrometer. This unit has it all in one. In my opinion, this unit is more accurate then the digital pet store thermometers.

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I am actually selling the accurites. I snatched a couple from my local store since some people have a hard time finding them. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...39#post1357739

Personally, that unit is the most bang for your buck. You ideally want one thermometer with a probe, one ambient air thermometer, and one ambient air hygrometer. This unit has it all in one. In my opinion, this unit is more accurate then the digital pet store thermometers.

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Ah rats, unfortunatly the shipping to Canada is way to expensive, even getting a digital thermostat is gonna cost me 20 dolalrs on shipping, and thats gonna cost 50$

I have 100 dollars to work with (snake and starter kit are total 203 dollars)

so im a little short on cash to buy it atm, BUT in awhile I am gonna start working with my parents again landscaping so ill have some money, Ill hit you up about it then :)

thanks for letting me know though! I appreciate it

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Ah rats, unfortunatly the shipping to Canada is way to expensive, even getting a digital thermostat is gonna cost me 20 dolalrs on shipping, and thats gonna cost 50$

I have 100 dollars to work with (snake and starter kit are total 203 dollars)

so im a little short on cash to buy it atm, BUT in awhile I am gonna start working with my parents again landscaping so ill have some money, Ill hit you up about it then :)

thanks for letting me know though! I appreciate it

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what is this "snake starter kit" and why is it so expensive?? You should not have to pay more than $100 for the whole setup if you go with tubs.

I have a feeling this "starter kit" will contain a bunch of expensive things that you don't need.

Are you just wanting to get a normal ball python? How much are you paying for just the snake?

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what is this "snake starter kit" and why is it so expensive?? You should not have to pay more than $100 for the whole setup if you go with tubs.

I have a feeling this "starter kit" will contain a bunch of expensive things that you don't need.

Are you just wanting to get a normal ball python? How much are you paying for just the snake?

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Im paying 80 dollars for the snake, 100 for the kit

This is because I live in an area where there are 3 pet stores.

1 is terrible, ill NEVER go there (petsmart)

2nd is just as bad, Pet Paradise

3rd is amazing and I love it, they actually care about thier animals and ive NEVER seen one sick or injured animal there, also never seen any that are not being cared for properly

Not to mention im in Canada so the price is inflated anyway (where as in the US it would prob be max like 40 - 50 dollars for the snake, here its 80 - 120)

If i didnt buy the kit, the 20 gallon it comes with would be 50 - 60 dolalrs, the UTH it comes with would be 30, and the hide that it comes with would be 10 - 15 $

also comes with aspen substrait, about 10 dollars for al arge pack, so im getting a great deal :D

Mainly because I always chill in there and chat with the owner lol

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Im paying 80 dollars for the snake, 100 for the kit

This is because I live in an area where there are 3 pet stores.

1 is terrible, ill NEVER go there (petsmart)

2nd is just as bad, Pet Paradise

3rd is amazing and I love it, they actually care about thier animals and ive NEVER seen one sick or injured animal there, also never seen any that are not being cared for properly

Not to mention im in Canada so the price is inflated anyway (where as in the US it would prob be max like 40 - 50 dollars for the snake, here its 80 - 120)

If i didnt buy the kit, the 20 gallon it comes with would be 50 - 60 dolalrs, the UTH it comes with would be 30, and the hide that it comes with would be 10 - 15 $

also comes with aspen substrait, about 10 dollars for al arge pack

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Have you tried finding a ball python breeder in your area? Clutches are starting to hatch now and I am sure you could easily find a cheap normal for $30 or so.

I am just curious what is in this $100 kit. You could buy a complete setup (enclosure, heating thermometers and a thermostat) for that amount of money.

Not to mention if you went straight to a breeder, the snake would be much cheaper.

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Have you tried finding a ball python breeder in your area? Clutches are starting to hatch now and I am sure you could easily find a cheap normal for $30 or so.

I am just curious what is in this $100 kit. You could buy a complete setup (enclosure, heating thermometers and a thermostat) for that amount of money.

Not to mention if you went straight to a breeder, the snake would be much cheaper.

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yeah the store breeds thier own, its a shop but i mean they do breed their own animals, and I have checked extensively in the area and haven't been able to find breeders :(

its all because of where I live

if i was in BC, i would find a breeder in a second, plus they are cheap there and they have reptile shows ect that sell them

wish i lived there at the moment lol

like for example, the kit includes (probably has more but these are the only items in it that i know about)

UTH
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20 Gal tank with screen lid
aspen substrait
1 thermometer (probably not digital tho, so ill just buy a diff one)

in my area, these items add up to way more than 100 dollars

For example ill put the price on them that ive seen

UTH - 30 dollars (without tax)
20 gal tank (50 for tank, without tax, 20$ for lid without tax)
aspen substrait - 10 bucks for a big bag
thermometer (digital/non digital are obth almsot same price, give or take a few dollars, so im gonna put it at 10 - 15$)

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yeah the store breeds thier own, its a shop but i mean they do breed their own animals, and I have checked extensively in the area and haven't been able to find breeders :(

its all because of where I live

if i was in BC, i would find a breeder in a second, plus they are cheap there and they have reptile shows ect that sell them

wish i lived there at the moment lol

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Whereabouts are you in Canada? Have you tried searching http://faunaclassifieds.com? Are you at all interested in getting the animal shipped to you? That might be an option worth looking into.

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Whereabouts are you in Canada? Have you tried searching http://faunaclassifieds.com? Are you at all interested in getting the animal shipped to you? That might be an option worth looking into.

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im located in Newmarket, Ontario

Sadly, newmarket hasnt gotten much attention with any type of buisness for awhile

only in the past year or so it has become more populated, wont take long to get some breeders in here :) (well the store im buying from is a breeder, but you know what I mean PS: its called Northern Reptile, search them up. they arent big like petsmart :))

also, Ill check that website! thanks

almsot forgot to mention, having the animal shipped is extremely expensive, I looked into it. I was gonna buy one from a website (ball python world i think it was) to ship from the US was 40$ for the animal and 70 for the fast shipping, and because its shipping to Canada its extremely expensive to begin with

I dont think I have any other options lol

edit: a good way to compare US prices to Canadian:

Earlier in this thread I was advised to buy a 15$ accurite weather station, where i am located, it is 39.99 without tax. Lol

So you are only about an hour from Toronto? Surely there are some breeders there who would be willing to meet up with you?

Also, perhaps shipping within canada would be cheaper?

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So you are only about an hour from Toronto? Surely there are some breeders there who would be willing to meet up with you?

Also, perhaps shipping within canada would be cheaper?

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Im only turning 17 on june 19th, so no car for me :) Parents refuse to go to Toronto unless they need to go to a specialist appointment at Sick Kids. Also, they work 6 days a week doing hard labour (landscaping)

Shipping within Canada most likely would be cheaper, but at the same time the reptile will be nearly identical pricing unless shipped from BC. Then I would lose the amazing deal on the starter kit because I purchased elsewhere

Im kinda in a rough spot here, its extremely expensive to ship unless shipped from within Canada with may be extremely expensive still (epic taxes), and EVERYTHING is over priced lol

esp where I live.

O well I plan to move to BC when I turn 20 so not to long away :)

I appreciate the ideas but I dont think theres anything I can do, ive exhuasted all my options, this wouldn't be an issue tho If I lived in Toronto or BC, or even Quebec..


EDIT: by the way, It may seem like im trying to be difficult. Im really not lol. im just sayin how bad my situation is atm for getting this snake, its gonna be expensive as heck no matter what I do

Sorry if i seem like im being difficult :(

Ah well it does seem you are in a rough spot :/

Well, sounds like you do have a good plan! Just trying to find ways to save you money ;)

good luck! sounds like you have everything under control.

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Ah well it does seem you are in a rough spot :/

Well, sounds like you do have a good plan! Just trying to find ways to save you money ;)

good luck! sounds like you have everything under control.

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thanks! I wish I could be in BC tho, my wish will come true one day lol

There are several breeders in Ontario. Here are a few.

Markus Jayne
Northern Reptile
Genisis Pythons

Shipping within the province should be fairly cheap.

There is also the reptile expo at the end of the month, in Missassauga.

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There are several breeders in Ontario. Here are a few.

Markus Jayne
Northern Reptile
Genisis Pythons

Shipping within the province should be fairly cheap.

There is also the reptile expo at the end of the month, in Missassauga.

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O! I am getting my BP from Northern Reptile! I live JUST DOWN THE STREET from them! LOL

I knew they were a breeder but i didnt know they were pure breeder company, you know like some stores will import and breed

THATS AWESOME

so i am buying from a breeder! BALLIN!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Hey guys, im back with another question :)

Recently ive been reading around A LOT on the forums. and ive noticed a lot of people say something like "Ive started feeding f/t because I dont breed mice/rats/asf's"

Why is this? Can you not buy live mice/rat/asf feeders at the store and prekill them? (and yes, it would be humanely, im investing in a Co2 system)

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Hey guys, im back with another question :)

Recently ive been reading around A LOT on the forums. and ive noticed a lot of people say something like "Ive started feeding f/t because I dont breed mice/rats/asf's"

Why is this? Can you not buy live mice/rat/asf feeders at the store and prekill them? (and yes, it would be humanely, im investing in a Co2 system)

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You can but it is much easier to buy a pack of 20 frozen rodents and never bother with killing them all or housing them all.

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You can but it is much easier to buy a pack of 20 frozen rodents and never bother with killing them all or housing them all.

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Ah thats true. Never thought of it that way for some reason LOL