Something new and a Firefly yellowbelly

Just hatched these out earlier this month. I am still trying to figure out the first one. I was thinking the original snake I started with was a phantom. I produced 3 white snakes in 07. This snake was from one of the white snakes and a hypo mojave female. I was hoping for mystic potions but he looks more like a crystal. There are a few RDR phantom/mojave clutchs coming up so hopefully that will shed some light on what he is.

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...shallvt/sm.jpg

Here are 2 hypo super mojaves and one lesser/mojave het hypo

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_5240sm.jpg


Firefly yellowbelly

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_5626sm.jpg

They look great! Thanks for sharing!

I love the first snake. Can't wait to see what it looks like after a few months.

Wow, they are gorgeous! Love that first one :)

Congrats! Looks like you hatched a Crystal, IMO. I'll have Tom take a look and hopefully he will chime in. It kinda looks like it has the potion color in the second pic though. I'll leave it to someone with more experiece with Crystals.

Very nice, Marshall! Looks like you're having a great season!

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Congrats! Looks like you hatched a Crystal, IMO. I'll have Tom take a look and hopefully he will chime in. It kinda looks like it has the potion color in the second pic though. I'll leave it to someone with more experiece with Crystals.

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I agree but just darker. I have been in contact with Tom. I don't know of any special to lesser breedings. I do know BHB has a crystal from a lesser but Tom thinks thay may not be the same. With the original breeding with a lesser producing white snakes, it makes me think it is not a crystal.

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Originally Posted by marshall

I agree but just darker. I have been in contact with Tom. I don't know of any special to lesser breedings. I do know BHB has a crystal from a lesser but Tom thinks thay may not be the same. With the original breeding with a lesser producing white snakes, it makes me think it is not a crystal.

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I think this is a pic of the crystal lesser...
Either way you have a great looking animal there!

Nevermind the link is forbidden.

What a mystery Bro. But, it sure is a smokin' snake. I hope you get that figured out later this year.

Wow.. keep us updated after it shed's a couple of times.

Gorgeous snakes!

What morph was the dad's mom that resulted in your 3 white snakes in 07?

Now that is one sick looking ball python. Thanks for sharing! :gj:

i love the firefly yellowbelly..... mainly because it has a bald spot on its head lol also that first snake is beutiful... i really hope you figure out what it is and than maybe i can get one. =]

Goodluck!!

Wow those are awesome!!! That first one is incredible!!! :bow:

the firefly yellowbelly is disgusting. u should send it my way so it doesnt make ur collection look ugly...J/K they r all smokin. congrats!!:gj:

Wow very sweet looking snakes :cool:

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Originally Posted by mpkeelee

the firefly yellowbelly is disgusting. u should send it my way so it doesnt make ur collection look ugly...J/K they r all smokin. congrats!!:gj:

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I was trying to figure out what to do with that thing. I just hate opening up the rack and looking at it. It gets even worse I got 1.1 pair of them. Just send me your address and I get these ugly things out of my house.

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Originally Posted by XSpringer

What morph was the dad's mom that resulted in your 3 white snakes in 07?

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I got the original female back in late 2005, when normal females were worth thier weight in gold. I purchased 10 subadult to adult females from someone and noticed this one immeditaly when openning the box. It looked like a mojave with no mojave color. I paired her with my lesser male and produced 3 white snakes plus 3 normal looking snakes in 2007. Due to a heat tape malfunction I lost the 3 normal looking ones. I was good fortune for me that I had the 3 white ones in a different rack. The original female looks like she is gravid. I had her back to the white sun. So hopefully I can produce a supper if there is one. Both white females also look gravid with one of them ovulating today. One was pairted with a hypo super mojave and the other to a pastel ivory.

I currently have 2 clutches from the white male in the incubator. One from a normal female and the other from a pastel female.

Hopefully I will get some more info on this puzzle as the season progresses. I am also really interested in seeing an RDR phantom mojave pairing. Trevor of TNT Reptiles has a clutch on the ground and Brock is expecting some soon also. Maybe the Mystic and Phantom are a little different. I don't think a mystic lesser combo has been produced yet.

Original Female

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/IMG_5174.jpg

One of the white offspring that ovulated today.
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...IMG_5739sm.jpg


Thanks for all the great comments.

Speechless here!...:OThose are really magnificent! I love how the yb intensely lighten up the firefly.

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Originally Posted by marshall

I got the original female back in late 2005, when normal females were worth thier weight in gold. I purchased 10 subadult to adult females from someone and noticed this one immeditaly when openning the box. It looked like a mojave with no mojave color. I paired her with my lesser male and produced 3 white snakes plus 3 normal looking snakes in 2007. Due to a heat tape malfunction I lost the 3 normal looking ones. I was good fortune for me that I had the 3 white ones in a different rack. The original female looks like she is gravid. I had her back to the white sun. So hopefully I can produce a supper if there is one. Both white females also look gravid with one of them ovulating today. One was pairted with a hypo super mojave and the other to a pastel ivory.

I currently have 2 clutches from the white male in the incubator. One from a normal female and the other from a pastel female.

Hopefully I will get some more info on this puzzle as the season progresses. I am also really interested in seeing an RDR phantom mojave pairing. Trevor of TNT Reptiles has a clutch on the ground and Brock is expecting some soon also. Maybe the Mystic and Phantom are a little different. I don't think a mystic lesser combo has been produced yet.

Original Female


One of the white offspring that ovulated today.


Thanks for all the great comments.

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Thanks for the history on them. Its great to here stuff like this. You defiantly got something going on with that "normal" female. Good luck and keep us posted. Looking forward to seeing what else pops us.

Xavier

Fireflybelly, just wow :gj:

Anything yb is sweet, that thing is smokin

well shes obviously not "normal" since when paired with a lesser she throws white babies lol. obviously she has a BEL gene, but by the looks of her though, its one even more subtle to the eye than a het russo, and clearly can do some of the mystic/special/phantom type stuff if paired properly. altho it is interesting that she produces white snakes with some and then that other awesome looking fella.

It does look like a lesser crystal to me, its just the white snakes in the clutch are confusing. The only thing i can think of is that your lesser is a hidden gene lesser and the original mum is a special that carries the epic gene and those two hidden genes produced the white snakes when crossed.

I can't wait to hear how your other related clutches turn out. These are spectacular!

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It does look like a lesser crystal to me, its just the white snakes in the clutch are confusing. The only thing i can think of is that your lesser is a hidden gene lesser and the original mum is a special that carries the epic gene and those two hidden genes produced the white snakes when crossed.

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I should mention that the clutch was sired by 2 males. The original intent was the hypo mojave female would be breed to the hypo super mojave male. But I had mixed up my hypo super mojave with the other white snake one time during the season. So the hypo mojave sired the 2 hypos super mojaves, 3 hypo mojaves and the other white snake sired the ????, the BEL (lesser/mojave) het hypo and the leser het hypo.

Lots of people think Crystal but with the mother orginally producing a white snake that seems wrong. Just have to wait for a couple more clutches and some clutches from some other breeders to shed some more light on this project.



Marshall

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Originally Posted by marshall

I should mention that the clutch was sired by 2 males. The original intent was the hypo mojave female would be breed to the hypo super mojave male. But I had mixed up my hypo super mojave with the other white snake one time during the season. So the hypo mojave sired the 2 hypos super mojaves, 3 hypo mojaves and the other white snake sired the ????, the BEL (lesser/mojave) het hypo and the leser het hypo.

Lots of people think Crystal but with the mother orginally producing a white snake that seems wrong. Just have to wait for a couple more clutches and some clutches from some other breeders to shed some more light on this project.



Marshall

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Now thats a puzzle to solve, but a great one. Keep us posted.

Wow, that's a cool story! Good luck unraveling the mystery!

Well, I do believe the Mystic/Phantom x Lesser cross produces white snakes. So that female very well could be a Mystic/Phantom. The more I look at her, the more she looks like she has the Phantom gene. I would put her to a Mojo only to prove that out, there is a big difference in the apperence of the Crystal and Potions.

congrats on the nice surprise