Breeding Plans ... Your opinion ?

Hey everyone,

So i am ordering a Bumblebee(female) and in a year i will buy a Lesser(male) and breed them when they are ready,
To produce the precious Queenbee's :D
So they will be married :) and stay togetter forever. ( no groupsex ;) )

Then i will keep a Female ( probebly a Queenbee ) and buy a new male for her.
( no inbreeding done here :colbert: )

Now i would like your opinions on what morphs i could go for next with the offspring ?
( pairings, posible future morphs, what male to buy, etc... )

ps: pls keep this on topic.
(Ntume i know its hard), but this is only a question for the future. So i have an idea.

Personally. I'm a huge fan of Spider Mojo's... and ALL cinny crosses. If I were you I would toss a Spider Mojo with that Queen Bee female that you might have soon. The possibilities would be endless. You could even produce LUCY'S!

Just my .02 on the subject.

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Originally Posted by PassionsPythons

Personally. I'm a huge fan of Spider Mojo's... and ALL cinny crosses. If I were you I would toss a Spider Mojo with that Queen Bee female that you might have soon. The possibilities would be endless. You could even produce LUCY'S!

Just my .02 on the subject.

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Dude !!!!! :O:O
The Calculator says;

MALE: Mojave Spider
FEMALE: Queen Bee

3.13%: Normal
3.13%: Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Spider
3.13%: Pastel
3.13%: Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Mojave
3.13%: Mojave, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Mojave, Spider
3.13%: Mojave, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Mojave, Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Mojave, Lesser Platinum, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Spider
3.13%: Spider, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Spider
3.13%: Spider, Pastel
3.13%: Spider, Pastel
3.13%: Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Spider, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Spider
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Mojave, Spider
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel

Since i never saw a Spider mojave : ( just looked him up, nice looking snake )
-Do u have an idea of what a mojave spider costs ?

On topic: I would like to hear other idea's to, what would you mix with the Queenbee if u had one in the future

( i couldn't edit annymore )

-What of those morphs mixes would be a lucy then ???

-and "3.13% Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel"
Is this a Mojave queenbee then ???

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Originally Posted by Pepee

( i couldn't edit annymore )

-What of those morphs mixes would be a lucy then ???

-and "3.13% Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel"
Is this a Mojave queenbee then ???

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Or a totally white snake that throws nothing but Queen bee's and Pastel Mojo Bee's

I would definitely breed the QueenBee with some double dominant male that includes Pinstripe. Like a LemonBlast, Enchi Pin or Cinnamon Pi, or something along those lines. I personally would not breed a male that contained any of the White snake complex genes in it, to avoid producing white snakes that may contain many other genes that aren't visible. That would make them hard to price without breeding them to confirm their true genetics. However, you could use something that contained the Black eyed Lucy complex, such as Fire or Sulfur. I would think a Fire Pinstripe might be a good male to breed to a QueenBee. Just a couple tidbits to chew on.

Good luck with your long term project,

Personally, I would worry about hitting the queenbee before bothering trying to figure out your next move. It's not easy to hit a triple codom the way you are planning on doing it (especially when you are hoping for a female). If my math is right, the odds of hitting a female queenbee with the pairing you describe is only 6.25%. To improve your odds a little I would either get a pastel lesser male, or a super lesser. If not you could be chasing that female queenbee for a long time.

Good luck either way.

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Originally Posted by muddoc

I would definitely breed the QueenBee with some double dominant male that includes Pinstripe. Like a LemonBlast, Enchi Pin or Cinnamon Pi, or something along those lines. I would think a Fire Pinstripe might be a good male to breed to a QueenBee. Just a couple tidbits to chew on.

Good luck with your long term project,

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Yeah queenbee x lemonblast would be awsome to ... ( adding fomula )

MALE: Lemon Blast
FEMALE: Queen Bee

3.13%: Normal
3.13%: Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Spider
3.13%: Pastel
3.13%: Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Lesser Platinum, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Pastel
3.13%: Pastel, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel
3.13%: Super Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Pastel, Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel, Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Pinstripe
3.13%: Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Pinstripe, Spider
3.13%: Pinstripe, Pastel
3.13%: Pinstripe, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum, Pastel
3.13%: Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum, Pastel, Spider
3.13%: Pastel, Pinstripe
3.13%: Pastel, Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Pastel, Pinstripe, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel, Pinstripe
3.13%: Super Pastel, Pinstripe, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel, Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum
3.13%: Pastel, Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum, Spider
3.13%: Super Pastel, Pinstripe, Lesser Platinum, Spider

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Personally, I would worry about hitting the queenbee before bothering trying to figure out your next move. It's not easy to hit a triple codom the way you are planning on doing it (especially when you are hoping for a female). If my math is right, the odds of hitting a female queenbee with the pairing you describe is only 6.25%. To improve your odds a little I would either get a pastel lesser male, or a super lesser. If not you could be chasing that female queenbee for a long time.

Good luck either way.

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Yeah its only for the future ... to get an idea of what i could do
but you are right on that !
A male Queenbee would be fine to ... then my other morph will be a female.
( to me its not that a big of a deal )

Bumblebee x Lesser
so the %% =
12.5%: Normal
12.5%: Pastel
12.5%: Spider
12.5%: Pastel, Spider
12.5%: Lesser Platinum
12.5%: Lesser Platinum, Pastel
12.5%: Lesser Platinum, Spider
12.5%: Queenbee

I should be able to get a Queen in +-3 clutches wont i ???
I know its like gambling and i could even produce only normals ... but i have high hopes :)

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Originally Posted by Pepee

I should be able to get a Queen in +-3 clutches wont i ???
I know its like gambling and i could even produce only normals ... but i have high hopes :)

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I know people that have bred for 2 gene combos and even supers for years and are just now hitting the odds.. Nothing is for sure.. You might hit 3 your first year and then you might need 5 years to hit one.

Yeah this is my main goal to produce a Queenbee
But even if it takes me 9 years to produce one, i will be verry happy.

And after that i can go on with a new project ;)
so i won't be thinking about the next step so much now :D i want my queenbee :D
but its still cool to see what posibility's there are in the future.

Thanks everyone !

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Originally Posted by Pepee

I should be able to get a Queen in +-3 clutches wont i ???
I know its like gambling and i could even produce only normals ... but i have high hopes :)

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3 clutches would give you a good shot if they are decent sized clutches but you never know how long it will take you to get those three clutches. Putting all of your hopes into one female is a tough way to go. There are just so many things that can slow you down. That female could be a poor feeder, slow grower, slug layer, small clutch producer, every other year breeder.... If at all possible I would try to at least pick up maybe 2 spider females as well (unless you can afford more bumblebee's). That way when they are up to size you could breed a pastel lesser to all 3 of them and have a decent shot at a queenbee in your first year.

Just as an example, I paid a ton of money for a pair of Het lavenders back in 05. That female just produced her first good clutch for me last season. I actually produced lavenders from raising up and proving out my male het lavs possible het offspring (bred him to some normals in 07) before I got my first good clutch from the original 100% het female. To top it off that original het female is looking like she is only going to be an every other year breeder.

Just curious, if you want to hit a Queenbee out of this project why don't you get a Male Bumblebee and 2 or 3 Female lessers to pair with him. That would give you a better chance as just 1 female may not produce or have other problems. Also you could then breed the male to other morphs like mojave, pastel, black pastel ect...

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Originally Posted by Pepee

( i couldn't edit annymore )

-What of those morphs mixes would be a lucy then ???

-and "3.13% Mojave, Spider, Lesser Platinum, Pastel"
Is this a Mojave queenbee then ???

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A Mojave X Lesser has the potential to produce a mojolesser lucy.

I got a piece of advice from Brian Gundy not to long ago.

He said: "If you have a goal in a specific project, you need to have at least 2 males and 3 females."

He told me this because random things can happen. Snakes can become sick and die if not treated properly... sometimes even when treated properly. Not to mention slow growers, slug layers, etc as someone else mentioned.

I agree with everyone else here. You should have more animals for this project to speed things up a bit. You may not hit your odds in the time frame you have set with only 1 male and 1 female.

As goes for Spider Mojaves... I have seen them sell for as little as $600 and as expensive as $1200... recently. They are still in the bumblebee price range I would say.. It just depends on the size and sex of the animal when purchased.

Good luck with your breeding.

THanks everyone !

if it was up to me ... i have a snake room with at least 12 snakes ...
BUT... my mom :tears::mad:

She is Terrified of snakes ... and i mean Terrified :p
if she see's one on tv she gets all nervous and starts to complain about me getting one :p ( i :please: begged :please: her for 2 years now )
( finally i may get one :p and a male after a year or so )

But i'm hoping to live alone sometime soon so i can go buy a rack and get 6+ snakes.

But i LOVE all of your opinions so i can have an idea about what others do etc..

Hey i am thinking about a new 'problem' now...

So i will be buying a bumblebee and a lesser to produce Queenbee's.
Now buying a female(baby) first so it gets breeding ready in 3-4-5 years.
And after the female is about 2 years old i will buy my male.

This is what i was thinking:
if i buy a bumblebee(female) first, i wont have the bumblebee/spider/pastel morph in my females i will buy later on ...
And if i buy a lesser(female) first, i WILL have the bumblebee/spider/pastel morph in my females i will buy later on ...
And not only just the lesser in all my females ...

SOO=> should i buy a bumblebee(female) now ... or a lesser(female) ?

Or shouldn't i look at it this way ??
( this all is purely for the future so i don't wish i had it the other way ... )
( Then again, ... my plans are Queenbee x lemonblast or desert .... so i don't think i will let those 2 i will buy trade partner, so i can keep producing queens ... )

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Originally Posted by Pepee

THanks everyone !

if it was up to me ... i have a snake room with at least 12 snakes ...
BUT... my mom :tears::mad:

i :please: begged :please: her for 2 years now )
( finally i may get one :p and a male after a year or so )

But i'm hoping to live alone

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If I want I spend 20.000$ on a snake. 2000+ is nothing for me

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Wealthy kid. or to quote: 'LMAO'

Tough luck uh?

Greets,

Yaron

(who has his own appartment, has 12+ snakes and racks :( )

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Originally Posted by Ntume

Wealthy kid. or to quote: 'LMAO'

Tough luck uh?

Greets,

Yaron

(who has his own appartment, has 12+ snakes and racks :( )

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lol you must have,
i would have the same of i had no friends :rofl:
Good luck on your normals :p

Ps: Thanks Dr. Del for your Welcome tip.
I have ignored her now.

I only own 2 normals actually, rest all morphs. And I'm a dude btw, not a dudette. rofl.

Greets,

Yaron