Always sex your snakes!!

Long story short I picked up a proven breeder male ghost from what I thought was a legit breeder. Dealt with him in the past no problems.
The male did not breed any of the 5 females I had for him. Put in a male pied to stir him up. Came back later to find the male pied breeding the ghost. I figured it happens. So I probed the ghost and it was a female but she was really tense I thought i probed wrong. This morning the "male" proven breeder laid 1 egg and 2 slugs.
it was sold to me as a Proven breeder CH male. That the breeder had since it was a baby. But when I e-mailed him that the snake was a female he said the breeder he got it from sent him the wrong sex. And said I should be happy since females are worth more. But with my hets I would of made more if it was a male. Now those projects are behind a year. I am still out of a male ghost and wasted all the time trying to get a female to breed. Be sure to always check your snakes no matter who you get them from. Most good breeders would make it right, time to redo my ghost projects.
Good luck to everyone this season.

and now you will have a double het snake in 60 days (if don't want will take lol )not het ghost in my collection yet ;)

No offense, but I have to admit this is the first time Ive heard of someone upset they mistakenly got a female! Sorry about your project but congratz on the clutch!

i can relate. imagine my surprise when i open a tub and see my male coiled around 5 eggs...

Pastel ghosts are far better than a double het. Pied ghost is a very long project. Will have to put some serious weight back on the female now.

Aw, that's a shame. Hope you can have fun working on your new project now though.

I can tell you if I bought a male and it turned out to be a female..I'd be HOT..If I wanted a female that's what I'd have added I buy animals based on a specific plan for my collection, mistakes on the breeders part happen but there should be some form of reimbursement for the mistake. In my mind the breeder still owes you a male..They sent out the wrong sex by mistake that's on them not your fault and now your stuck with a snake you didn't want and still have to buy a male..

in all honesty, I just tried to sex my YB male and i actually think it may be a female, no hemipenes came out, this would be amazing if it was actually a female

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I can tell you if I bought a male and it turned out to be a female..I'd be HOT..If I wanted a female that's what I'd have added I buy animals based on a specific plan for my collection, mistakes on the breeders part happen but there should be some form of reimbursement for the mistake. In my mind the breeder still owes you a male..They sent out the wrong sex by mistake that's on them not your fault and now your stuck with a snake you didn't want and still have to buy a male..

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I agree 100% we all plan our projects ahead of time I'd be pissed. When you have a small cohesive group this kinda throws you off big time, I hope they fix this situation for you.

That sux... I had a pastel female turn out to be male and a pin male turn out to be female this season.

Neither one works for my plans right now so I can completely emphasize.

If you wanted that particular double het you would have planned for it.

Bruce

Try relisting her and say you want to trade for a male! I had this happen on my very first snake which was just a normal! He grew way to big for a male so I had him probed at the local reptile store and he was a she! In my case I was happy because I had a breeder size female for next season!

who did you get her from?

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in all honesty, I just tried to sex my YB male and i actually think it may be a female, no hemipenes came out, this would be amazing if it was actually a female

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Sometimes males can be shy and will not show their hemipenes. And most people will pop a snake wrong. I tried popping my normal male all this time because it was sold to me as a male but I just saw nothing. One day his pene popped out at me:P.

Try watching tons of videos and have someone show you how to pop, you can seriously injure the snake if done incorrectly.

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Try relisting her and say you want to trade for a male! I had this happen on my very first snake which was just a normal! He grew way to big for a male so I had him probed at the local reptile store and he was a she! In my case I was happy because I had a breeder size female for next season!

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I understand that getting a female instead of a male mess up your breeding plans, I would be mad too. but don't trade a breeding size female for a male this would be another mistake. keep the female your breeding season is most likely towards the end and buy another male from someone else. The most the breeder would do is exchange it for a breeder male. which would make it even worse since you might have to wait until next year anyway. a breeding female is worth way more than a breeding male.

Yeah- if you really don't want her, I'd either resell it for cash, do a full trade for an orange ghost male + other animals you'd want for a fair trade value, or a partial trade or an orange ghost male + cash.

that really sucks hope all works out for ya on it

We all know mistakes happen, but yes, if the customer is not happy with the outcome of the sale, the seller should work with them to make it right.

Just because a female is worth more on the open market doesn't mean its worth more in anyone's specific collection.

Sorry to hear Thomas. That sucks........if you get eggs, hopefully the double hets hatch out with a good ratio for you though........half full brother, half full.

Jason

I bought a pair of Pewters three yrs ago. A 1.1 pair that came from a good friend and breeder. He sexed both snakes in front of me at the show. I raised them up for two years and this season tried breeding them. As soon as I put the male in, things didnt go well. So I tried again a week later with the same results. I knew something was wrong. I probed them and were both males. Now I wasted two years of feeding and pushing a male to 1500 grams. The only difference my friend made the situation right. So always sex your snakes before breeding season. And remember males can sometimes really hold back there penes when popping them.
Matt

Wow that sucks :(.I hope the breeder fixes things for ya.

I purchased an 06 het pied female 3 years ago from a breeder who I had purchased lots of other animals from. She was always a slow eater and I have been trying to get her to breeding weight. Over the winter she always stops eating and is slow to start in the spring. She weighs about 800 grams right now. Last night I was woken up by my boyfriend because he was practicing popping. He was going down the line in the rack and picked up Candy. Imagine his suprise when a big fat hemipene popped out!

So I have to call the breeder now and let him know what is going on. I never sexed the animal when I recieved it because I purchased probably 10 other animals from him and all the others have proved to be the proper sex.

Is probing easier/safer than popping for a beginner? I'm concerned now. :weirdface

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Is probing easier/safer than popping for a beginner? I'm concerned now. :weirdface

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i would say there equally dificult for a begginer the best way to do it is to find someone that has done either of them before and ask them to show you how to do it popping in my opinion is alotharder because of the fact the most of the time the male will hold back his hemipenes witch could cause problems like most of the people on here are talking about. but probing you have to buy probes wich i can not seem to find online.

well good luck,
Mike H.:D

I probed my snakes and I going to reprobe them 2-3 times until I get the same result (not all in the same night ) but I think I got a couple more males than I though but they so big and i hate to sell them ( adopt them out) and find out they were a female. it take time a patiance to get use too. It harder when the pucker up the butt lol

Ive seen so many videos of popping and im not sure if im doing it right, i mean with my babies that I had I popped the ones that I suspected were males or the ones that I was told were males, are there any videos that really really go into detail on how to pop? Ive seen the 8ball video and a few others.

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I purchased an 06 het pied female 3 years ago from a breeder who I had purchased lots of other animals from. She was always a slow eater and I have been trying to get her to breeding weight. Over the winter she always stops eating and is slow to start in the spring. She weighs about 800 grams right now. Last night I was woken up by my boyfriend because he was practicing popping. He was going down the line in the rack and picked up Candy. Imagine his suprise when a big fat hemipene popped out!

So I have to call the breeder now and let him know what is going on. I never sexed the animal when I recieved it because I purchased probably 10 other animals from him and all the others have proved to be the proper sex.

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That kind of feeding behaviour is a bit of a give away, isn't it? Not 100% but quite a good clue with sub adults and adults that you might have a male.