Ringer?

I've been wondering if my clown has a ringer, or if it's just a pattern mutation. The area by the base of his tail is bordered by a black line, and it's much whiter inside the line. I'm still newish to bp's so I don't really know what defines a ringer.

Pictures . . .

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_1972.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...IMG_1972-1.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2156.jpg

The other side

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2158.jpg

Any ideas? I think it looks cool. :P

I'm not a ringer expert, so I don't know if the ringer pattern is supposed to be the same on each side, but either way, you have a killer looking snake. I love those eyes...

I cant see it to well, send it to my addresse for a "closer look" and I'll help you out..LOL.....I'm not to familiar with "ringers" myself.

Looks awsome either way...

lol, thanks. I adore him.

Here's some better pictures of his marking.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2178.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2181.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2184.jpg

And here's the other side.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...y/IMG_2186.jpg

Yup:gj: There are varying degrees of ringers and yours is kind of subtle.

Hmmm, those pics are better...Looks like you MIGHT have something there...IDK, google Clown het ______ and see if theres any resemblence between them and yours.

Good luck, hope you have something special going on...

I would try it with a clown het piebald. Some ringers carry the piebald gene, it would make a beautiful snake regardless.

What a beautiful head pattern! Clowns are so beautiful and unique!

That is a very nice subtle ringer :)

Congrats

Thanks for the help everyone. I'm so happy with his little ringer mark, it looks so cool in person.

I don't know about him being het for anything. It'd be absolutely amazing if he was het for pied but I don't think I'll ever find out because my peid is male too. :P

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Originally Posted by crapwhereaminow

I don't know about him being het for anything. It'd be absolutely amazing if he was het for pied but I don't think I'll ever find out because my peid is male too. :P

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There's your new reason to get a het pied Female now..LOL...:banana:

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Whats a "ringer"?

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Originally Posted by BigBlue56

:::NEWB ALERT:::

Whats a "ringer"?

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Having a ringer in ball python terms can vary. The ringer can be a faded color ring around the tail, to actually having a small white band around the tail. Not all ringers carry the piebald gene, but some do.

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Originally Posted by bsash

Having a ringer in ball python terms can vary. The ringer can be a faded color ring around the tail, to actually having a small white band around the tail. Not all ringers carry the piebald gene, but some do.

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Great info. Thanks buddy. :gj:

Here are a couple examples of ringers. The first one is a Fire ringer. It was produced by Steve Roussis and every Fire in the clutch was a ringer, this one was probably the most extreme. He's fathered several Fire offspring but no ringers to date.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

This next one is probably the most extreme ringer I have ever seen. It was produced by Brock Wagner from champagne x normal breeding.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...gneringer2.jpg

Didn't mean to hijack your thread but I figured I'd help out the newbies.

Your clown is awesome, good luck with him!!

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Originally Posted by David Green

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...gneringer2.jpg

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That is definitely the most white ringer I have ever seen. If this were a bet, I would be saying that one probably carries the piebald gene.

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Originally Posted by BigBlue56

Great info. Thanks buddy. :gj:

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No problem, glad I could help.

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Originally Posted by David Green

Didn't mean to hijack your thread but I figured I'd help out the newbies.

Your clown is awesome, good luck with him!!

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No problem. It's really cool to see the different levels of ringer, and it makes a really good example for everyone to see the different levels.

Quick questing, does a ringer really mean the animal might be het pied? I've never heard that before. I doubt my guy is, but that'd be cool.

I know nothing about ringers....but that is one HOT snake.;)

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Originally Posted by crapwhereaminow

Quick questing, does a ringer really mean the animal might be het pied? I've never heard that before. I doubt my guy is, but that'd be cool.

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I don't think so. I've produced a couple het pieds that were ringers but to take a random ringer and think it may be a het pied is a hugh stretch at best. However, I will probably breed the above champagne to a pied since it's so extreme.