ball python het albino markers?

hey BP.net

A guy on craigslist is selling a het albino female ball python. well what got me saying :O and i quote in the post

"I have also a female early 09 %100 Het albino (proven genetic markers) 2.5ft ball python kitten tame pounding on medium rats".

two things puzzle me about his post.

1 an early 09 eating medium size rats
2 het albino ( proven genetic markers)

is it true het albino ball pythons have genetic markers? im 99% sure this statement is false.

please chime in....... i know im not going crazyyyyyyy

thanks alot

The only morph that I know of that has "genetic markers" ( and they are not allways true) is Pied. I would call BS on that one but I could be wrong...

Technically the morphs that have a super like Pastels are visual hets for their Super Pastels and could be considered a "genetic marker" but that is kind of a stretch if you ask me.


Thanks

Mike

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Originally Posted by Liquid

The only morph that I know of that has "genetic markers" ( and they are not allways true) is Pied. I would call BS on that one but I could be wrong...

Technically the morphs that have a super like Pastels are visual hets for their Super Pastels and could be considered a "genetic marker" but that is kind of a stretch if you ask me.


Thanks

Mike

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well i thought the same thing. only genetic markers i have heard and seen are in pieds.

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Originally Posted by SERPENT_MASTERS

hey BP.net

A guy on craigslist is selling a het albino female ball python. well what got me saying :O and i quote in the post

"I have also a female early 09 %100 Het albino (proven genetic markers) 2.5ft ball python kitten tame pounding on medium rats".

two things puzzle me about his post.

1 an early 09 eating medium size rats
2 het albino ( proven genetic markers)

is it true het albino ball pythons have genetic markers? im 99% sure this statement is false.

please chime in....... i know im not going crazyyyyyyy

thanks alot

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an 09 that is a "proven breeder" pass thank you for playing..

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

an 09 that is a "proven breeder" pass thank you for playing..

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not a proven breeder but a proven genetic marker. have you ever seen or heard of het albino balls having genetic markers?

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Originally Posted by SERPENT_MASTERS

not a proven breeder but a proven genetic marker. have you ever seen or heard of het albino balls having genetic markers?

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Proven means they have proven the markers on that animal to be a 100% never fail trait for het albino.. the only way to know this is those animals are "PROVEN" would have to have produced albinos.

long and the short run.. they are telling you a lie.

You would also have a 100% het albino from breeding an albino to a normal.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Proven means they have proven the markers on that animal to be a 100% never fail trait for het albino.. the only way to know this is those animals are "PROVEN" would have to have produced albinos.

long and the short run.. they are telling you a lie.

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i get the proven part freakie_frog 09 proven for what? how could an 09 breed so soon? but the MARKERS part get me. markers on a het albino? when i think of markers i think of het pied ball pythons.....

an early 09 female could breed this season if you really pounded her with food...

But I would be inclined not to believe the ad.

I have a hard time believing an '09 is pounding back medium rats. My '08 is still on small rats.

I have been told about a "marker" for the het albinos bieng that it will have a single white scale on the front half usually on the upper part of the snake.

Hi,

I thought that was in boas? :confused:


dr del

I dunno. Ive been told it was on BPs. Granted its not always true cus I know atleast 1 of my Het Albinos doesnt have it but who knows

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Originally Posted by Herp Hugger

I have a hard time believing an '09 is pounding back medium rats. My '08 is still on small rats.

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I have an april '09 who eats small rats... and he would be bigger if I didnt stop/significantly slow down feeding him for breeding

Like I said, it's possible but I wouldnt believe this instance :P

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Originally Posted by Raverthug

I have been told about a "marker" for the het albinos bieng that it will have a single white scale on the front half usually on the upper part of the snake.

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That's boas, and its kind of a myth... I've seen tons of normal boas with white flecks here and there, so it would make sense that het albinos would also have a white scale here or there.

I have also heard people say that het albino boas have significantly lighter eyes than non-hets. But I don't know how true that is either.

het albino bp's have no markers

Pretty much every het albino that I have ever produce has a brown spot on both sides of their nose. Might be unrelated the the albino gene but mine do have it.

I have a early 09 bee at about a 1000g eating medium rats feeding once a week. I would say medium rats is plausible.

I have 6 month olds that are at over 600 grams eating hopper rats, so I don't see why not.

I don't believe that marker thing for one second.

First of all, to PROVE a genetic marker, one would have to breed the snake that carried the marker and produce the correct color of hatchlings, preferably more than once. I simply cannot believe an '09 female could be proven, unless it was bred way to young, which creates a whole new set of problems. And even if it had been bred and had produced the desired color, it would have to be bred more than once and to at least two different males to really PROVE the so-called genetic marker. That is impossible, since no female could produce twice in less than a year.

Long story short, the seller is pulling your chain. Even if there were a genetic het albino marker; it is not 100% accurate, or every het albino snake would have it. If every het albino snake had it, the breeders would know about it by now. I'd pass on that deal.

Gale

I have heard that the top of the eyes on het albinos are lighter than others. I only have one proven het albino and his eyes are significantly lighter than all of my others. I have another het albino 09 that hasn't been proven yet, but her eyes are the exact same as my male, so we will see if she proves out. Not sure if its just coincidence but it would be cool to find out if there is some way to tell.

I also have 3 late 09s that are feeding on small rats now so mediums seem feasible to me.

But I have to say overall, the listing would be BS because it does say proven genetic markers. There are no proven genetic markers. And for her to be proven 100% het, she would have to have thrown an albino already, and there is no chance she has done that as an 09. So all in all, BS ad IMO

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Originally Posted by jtyson123

I have heard that the top of the eyes on het albinos are lighter than others. I only have one proven het albino and his eyes are significantly lighter than all of my others. I have another het albino 09 that hasn't been proven yet, but her eyes are the exact same as my male, so we will see if she proves out. Not sure if its just coincidence but it would be cool to find out if there is some way to tell.

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From what I know/understand, and have researched....That statement is only USEFULL in newborn/very young BOAS, RTBs mainly.....Not BPs...There's no other way to "see" if it's Het for albino...other then gnetics from the breeder or previous owner, which still can be falsified...Good luck.

I say its BS. I agree for anything to be proven, it has to be bred more than once, and to more than one male.

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Originally Posted by heathers*bps

I say its BS. I agree for anything to be proven, it has to be bred more than once, and to more than one male.

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You don't need to breed to multiple males if you pick a homozygous form of the morph you are trying to prove.

So i have heard the white scale marker for het amel BPs im thinking about trading for a pastel"100% het albino" to breed with my female het albino and it has a small odd white patch on the first 1/3 of the body but im not sure if i wanna take his word or the white spot as "proof" of being het albino...and on another note i think it might bepossible for an 09 to take med rats my 2010 het albino female mentioned above takes bigger small rats and she has no trouble whatsoever....i even had a 7 month old normal ball that got out and into a rat cage with a small rat when i came home the rat was gone and the snake looked like it was gonna die. before she ate it she was about the width of a 2 human thumbs when i got home she was fatter then my wrist she passed the rat after a week or 2 and i eventually traded her but thats just my personal negative experience with "food thast too big"i just got lucky that she didnt die i guess

Why are you dragging up a 2 year old thread to post an impossible to read run-on sentence ?

Gale

It's probably a result of using the search function. :D

I'm broadly in favour of people who do that. :rofl:


dr del

Despite the age of this thread, there are STILL no 'markers' for het albino.

Every single het albino I have seen has white around the aliens coming up off the belly.
Sure lots of normals have this, so it doesn't work just looking for a snake with white around the borders, but I have yet to see a het albino that doesn't show this trait...

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT2030.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT2366.jpg
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT3860.jpg

Anyone have a 100% het albino that doesn't have the white border?

My 100% het lavender albinos have the white borders.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Every single het albino I have seen has white around the aliens coming up off the belly.
Sure lots of normals have this, so it doesn't work just looking for a snake with white around the borders, but I have yet to see a het albino that doesn't show this trait...

http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/PICT2030.jpg

Anyone have a 100% het albino that doesn't have the white border?

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I guess that depends on what you call a white border, all of my normals have a lighter colored border around the alien heads and it's more pronounced around the belly. Here is a shot of one of my het albino girls, I don't have a belly shot but you can see that while she has a lighter color around the borders I really wouldn't call it white.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...ack2012014.jpg

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Originally Posted by adamsky27

My 100% het lavender albinos have the white borders.

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I have been told this by several het lav owners also.

Mark, hard to tell for sure from the photo, since it's taken from so far away, but to me those boarders look nice and white :confused:

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

I have been told this by several het lav owners also.

Mark, hard to tell for sure from the photo, since it's taken from so far away, but to me those boarders look nice and white :confused:

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Maybe, but in that case they don't look ANY different from any of my normals.

Is this better?
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...012014-big.jpg

To drag this up again...

I've got a het albino female with unusually light greyish-greenish coloring. I know that some of her siblings had the same coloration, and that she's been getting lighter as she ages. It was suggested to me that the coloring may be a visual marker of the het albino gene... I didn't know that was possible, and after reading more on the subject I still don't.

Here she is:

http://i.imgur.com/GBmzGzY.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/I1QeXcl.jpg