Codom Morph Needs A Name

Got a lot of good suggestions and a few funny ones. Best way to settle it is to put it to a vote I guess. I selected ten to choose from, which do you like best?

Here it is again:

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um1.jpg

http://www.dbherp.com/images/um2.jpg

EDIT by JLC: Link to history and more pictures


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could we see a picture of the super? might make a difference in my vote...

i wantone. how much do they run?

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Originally Posted by bamf64

i wantone. how much do they run?

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Agreed, are they up for sale yet, and how much?
Pictures of a super would be awesome if theres been one.

Dunno what you call it looks like a black pastel 2 me.

Very cool! It looks so similar to a black pastel. Does it have a different super? A super form might make it easier to name. :)

Justin

I'd call it a black pastel - what makes it different from one? Looks exactly like one to me. I'm not seeing the difference? :confused:

assuming it's a new morph I've never seen before, and the pattern is part of it, I do like Picasso.

Can you share the story behind this "morph"?

I too believe it looks like a Black Pastel

Was just going to comment that it looks like a black, and would second seeing the super version. It if is a dark snake, almost black, then I would say call it a black pastel.

Same with seeing a few combos if they have been created. :)

Sorry, if you missed the initial post with the background story and pictures of the super it can be found here:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=116087

I couldn't edit my original post but if a mod wants to throw that link in my first post feel free.

To answer people's questions, they are not for sale yet but giving them a name will be a step in the right direction. :)

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Originally Posted by dbherp

I couldn't edit my original post but if a mod wants to throw that link in my first post feel free.

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Done. :)

Cool lookin' Super! I really like the fact that it still has pattern. I really don't care for Super BPs or Super Cinnamons although I'm sure we'll eventually have them for breeding purposes. Good luck with the project to you and Chris. :gj:

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Sorry, if you missed the initial post with the background story and pictures of the super it can be found here:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...d.php?t=116087

I couldn't edit my original post but if a mod wants to throw that link in my first post feel free.

To answer people's questions, they are not for sale yet but giving them a name will be a step in the right direction. :)

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Very cool looking super form. The super like an Ultra hot blk pastel as well.

I think "Copper" is a great representation of how it looks. :gj::gj:

I just figured, the patterns remind me of a Picasso painting. :)

In my opinion, which is valued by Kings and Emperors around the world, all those options suck. Not just a little but really really suck.

I went back to the original thread and was reading the history and found the answer there, "What I got was 0.2 supers, 1.2 Huffmans, and a normal or two."

Name them Huffmans, that name doesn't suck I even called the Queen of England.

Those Huffmans are freaking HOT HOT HOT!!!! The contrast of Gold on Black is really spectacular.

Mike

Hey I'm an Idiot. Not just a little but a real real idiot ;)

I like scribble ball the best. Batik is a close second.

So see not all the names sucked, I just didn't read far enough.

Mike

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Originally Posted by hoax

I like scribble ball the best.

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I like Scribble the best as well, but I am also the one who mentioned the name :P

DO WANT! :gj::gj:

I vote copper

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Originally Posted by jjmitchell

Dunno what you call it looks like a black pastel 2 me.

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Me too :)

I voted copper as well. Just seems the most reasonable, IMO...

copper, mix it with a morph that has a cool head pattern like a clown and call the combo the copper head.:gj:

Wasn't there already a morph called a copper ball? There is one listed in the back of the McCurley Book..... Wouldn't want to cause any confusion.

I went with copper but I do think that the Huffman Ball would be just fine. The super form is amazing. but I'm interested in pics of the Huffman Pinstripe... Please, please, please, please. :D

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Wasn't there already a morph called a copper ball? There is one listed in the back of the McCurley Book..... Wouldn't want to cause any confusion.

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Not that I'm aware of but I do not own that book. Is it a proven trait or just a name for a unique animal?

I did some Google searching and didn't find anything but if one (or any of these names) exists already please let me know.

I voted scribble because I like the sound of 'super scribble' the best. Very pretty :)

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Not that I'm aware of but I do not own that book. Is it a proven trait or just a name for a unique animal?

I did some Google searching and didn't find anything but if one (or any of these names) exists already please let me know.

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I just rechecked the back of the McCurley Book and I was incorrect. The morph in the back is the Gold Ball, so AFAIK Copper is still a new name. Good luck in the project. :gj:

ANYTHING that does not have "Gold" or "Dream" in the name....

Dave

Sorry guys but umm.... http://www.vpi.com/brag/tiger_copper_ball I went with espresso, but really I think huffman is best.

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Originally Posted by Inugohan

Sorry guys but umm.... http://www.vpi.com/brag/tiger_copper_ball I went with espresso, but really I think huffman is best.

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I knew I had heard Copper from somewhere... just thought it was from the McCurley book.

Well you were right, it does exist. I however know nothing of it other than this snake which is a combo. It is a very cool snake and definately a distinguishable morph in my eyes, which makes copper for this snake an unsuitable name. Both are great morphs though, which I'm sure we can all agree on! ~Caylan.S.~

I'd look into doing a few more breedings to make sure those supers really are super. It's not unheard of to miss the 1-in-4 odds of producing a super in a 6-7 egg clutch. Those "supers" might just be nice black pastels. I would test breed them a little more, and see what they do when put to a black pastel.

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Originally Posted by garweft

I'd look into doing a few more breedings to make sure those supers really are super. It's not unheard of to miss the 1-in-4 odds of producing a super in a 6-7 egg clutch. Those "supers" might just be nice black pastels. I would test breed them a little more, and see what they do when put to a black pastel.

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I agree that it is VERY POSSIBLE that the animal on the right is not the super -- it is not consistent with the super of similar hyper-melanistic morphs. Many morphs can be HIGHLY variable -- even with in the same clutch.

I do like the looks of it!! :gj: If it were me, I would do a little more breeding -- at least a combo. I certainly know how exciting it is to work with something new. ;)

I have no less than 5 animals that I have proven dominant and/or have produced combos from that have not been formally named, have not been made public, and have not been offered for sale -- because I am not sure what they are and am waiting to breed for the super. As difficult as it is, I really do believe it is best to be conservative and measured when proving new morphs.

Nice project and best of luck. :D

That is most definately not a Black Pastel. Black Gold gets my vote. That is truly a beautiful Snake

Thanks for all the comments everyone.

There have been three supers produced so far so I'm not sure why you'd say the one shown in the photos isn't a super? We also produced a couple crosses but they weren't anything jaw dropping. We do have plans to breed them into other morphs but I am going to be selling a couple and wanted a name for them.

The whole story is in the link at the bottom of my first post. :)

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

I agree that it is VERY POSSIBLE that the animal on the right is not the super -- it is not consistent with the super of similar hyper-melanistic morphs. Many morphs can be HIGHLY variable -- even with in the same clutch.

I do like the looks of it!! :gj: If it were me, I would do a little more breeding -- at least a combo. I certainly know how exciting it is to work with something new. ;)

I have no less than 5 animals that I have proven dominant and/or have produced combos from that have not been formally named, have not been made public, and have not been offered for sale -- because I am not sure what they are and am waiting to breed for the super. As difficult as it is, I really do believe it is best to be conservative and measured when proving new morphs.

Nice project and best of luck. :D

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Originally Posted by dbherp

Thanks for all the comments everyone.

There have been three supers produced so far so I'm not sure why you'd say the one shown in the photos isn't a super? We also produced a couple crosses but they weren't anything jaw dropping. We do have plans to breed them into other morphs but I am going to be selling a couple and wanted a name for them.

The whole story is in the link at the bottom of my first post. :)

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David, I did not mean to offend. :D Just sincerely trying to give you another perspective on managing a project.

I am of the camp of conservatism when naming and MARKETING new stuff -- particularly when it is SUBTLE/SIMILAR to other existing morphs. The fact that you have produced a subtle Supers and "less than jaw-dropping" combos are all the MORE REASON to do some more breeding with the gene. It really is the best way to introduce a morph and get its' "full/true value" of an animal -- just an opinion -- does not make it gospel. Although, there are no doubt any number of folks working CH and WC genes that would surely agree with my perspective. Do wish you only good things. :gj:

No offense taken at all and I hope it didn't come off that way.

I completely agree with you that things should be proven out before being named and offered for sale. As I said before, there have been 3 supers produced and I think 15 or so of the morph animals. In addition to those animals it has been crossed into Pinstripes and Spiders but, again, they didn't make anything amazing. A lot of work has been done but they haven't been crossed into the 'main' combo morphs: Pastels, Yellowbellies, or Mojave/Lesser/Butters. There's obviously still plenty of breeding to do but it won't be done by me.

Without going into too much detail I'm not going to be working with balls for the foreseeable future after this season. I talked to Chris about sending him my animals so that he could have complete control of the project but he has enough of a group to work with and said he'd be happy to see some of these snakes get out there and crossed into other morphs. If someone hits something crazy he said he'd be happy to have it happen.

So this brings us to this thread and idea of coming up with a name. I'd love to be the first to make something new and cool but it just isn't in the cards for me right now. I'm not trying to introduce this as some epic new morph or anything. I think they're pretty cool looking and I still hope that they'll make something unusual in the right combo.

I'll be listing them for sale soon so I'll find out if anyone agrees with me. :)

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Originally Posted by dbherp

No offense taken at all and I hope it didn't come off that way.

I completely agree with you that things should be proven out before being named and offered for sale. As I said before, there have been 3 supers produced and I think 15 or so of the morph animals. In addition to those animals it has been crossed into Pinstripes and Spiders but, again, they didn't make anything amazing. A lot of work has been done but they haven't been crossed into the 'main' combo morphs: Pastels, Yellowbellies, or Mojave/Lesser/Butters. There's obviously still plenty of breeding to do but it won't be done by me.

Without going into too much detail I'm not going to be working with balls for the foreseeable future after this season. I talked to Chris about sending him my animals so that he could have complete control of the project but he has enough of a group to work with and said he'd be happy to see some of these snakes get out there and crossed into other morphs. If someone hits something crazy he said he'd be happy to have it happen.

So this brings us to this thread and idea of coming up with a name. I'd love to be the first to make something new and cool but it just isn't in the cards for me right now. I'm not trying to introduce this as some epic new morph or anything. I think they're pretty cool looking and I still hope that they'll make something unusual in the right combo.

I'll be listing them for sale soon so I'll find out if anyone agrees with me. :)

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can we see pics of the crosses that you have produced?

How do you know they are supers and not just pretty black pastels? Have you bred the supers and produced all visual heterozygous offspring?

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Originally Posted by Mike@OutbackReptiles

How do you know they are supers and not just pretty black pastels? Have you bred the supers and produced all visual heterozygous offspring?

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:weirdface

I would really love to see a photo of this animal and a black pastel side by side, both a dorsal shot and a ventral shot. I would also like to see a photo with more than one super together...:)

Nice! You should post a belly shot, I'm curious :)

How about the super be called "the galaxy ball"
and the others, be called "het. galaxy"
and just be a visual het...

like Het. ivorys (yellowbellies)
and Russo Hets...


ya know?

i voted java as my favorite but how about instead of black gold it can be called oil pastel or oil slick ball python, just a thought :)