Morphs on a Budget

IF (emphasis on IF) I eventually breed my 1.0 '09 Pastel, what would (hopefully) produce the most "bang for my buck"? I realize not many people would do a breed trade for a male pastel, and honestly I would rather keep everything under my own roof, so l would be buying the female.

Long story short, what is the best way to produce the most desirable morphs possible with my male pastel, without paying an arm and a leg for the female? Is it better to buy as a hatchling or to find a proven breeder or at least breeding weight? Just want to get everyones opinions of what you would do in this situation. Also, what are the average costs to breed a single clutch? Again, this would be down the road and only after tons of research and preparing myself for it properly. I wouldn't be breeding to try to turn a profit, but simply want to experience the wonders of what these morph breedings can produce.

Look forward to hearing everyones input!:bow::gj::bow:

i would say get a breedable size spider or another pastel.

That way you can go for super pastels or bumble bees

See www.worldofballpythons.com website for a genetic calculator to get the full list of your possible outcomes. Its a good site.

if you can afford the bumblebee i say that would give you a better return. you could produce pastels, super pastels, spiders, bees, and killer bees. if you cant afford it go with what jimbo4382 said.

what ever morph you do choose, make sure that you have a passion for it. be prepared to watch some if not all of the offspring grow up. there is no guaranty that they will sell however there is a guaranty that they will neeed to eat and be taken care of.
john

Quote: "what ever morph you do choose, make sure that you have a passion for it. be prepared to watch some if not all of the offspring grow up. there is no guaranty that they will sell however there is a guaranty that they will neeed to eat and be taken care of.
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With out knowing your budget this questions is impossable to answer. But since your not planning to breed "For profit" then whatever you pick make sure you like the combo.. Me with a pastel male..I'd get some lesser or enchi or bee and stick to it the combo's scream and the base is afforadable..

I agree with all of the above post as well. Being a HUGE fan of the BEE's I went with a 1000 gram blonde pastel female, and a 1100 gram bumblebee female. The bumblebee will be going to my male pastel while the pastel female will go to my spider male.

I would say if you want to not wait then buy something that you can either grow up in time for the next breeding season or buy one already sized to breed. If you do not mind waiting the normal 3 years then I would buy a hatchling from someone from this season. It will be cheaper up front, but you will have to wait to breed her....

I would check out this link
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/
and find what morphs really really stick out to you...if they do not go with your pastel you might be buying two snakes ;-)

without knowing your budget we its to hard to give exact advice. Generally though I would get a subadult female and breed her next season. Hatchlings or juvinelles take to long, and for the best odds you need an extra year for her to get comfortable anyway.

Definitely under a thousand, preferably below 5, but I know this is hard....the lower price the better!

Thanks for all the above opinions!

For 500 bucks you can get a "starter" kit type set up with a 10 gallon tank, uth, substrate..etc for around 100 to 125. That would leave you around 350 to 400 for the animal and some shipping if you needed it shipped.

Look here
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...play.php?f=499

You can price some stuff. Males are going to be cheaper than females...

I actually already have everything for another setup besides the tank...I would probably switch to a tub or rack system at that point

I would check out a Pin or a Mojave...you could easily get one of those for under $500 and the Lemon Blasts and Pastel Mojaves are both awesome looking.

Depends on how long you want to wait and make babies. If you want them next season then your in need of an 08 or older female for the following season I would say a nice sized 09 should work. But the bigger the better. I mean hell you can just pick up a 2000+ gram female Normal for under 50 bucks and breed her to your pastel and get 50/50. But if you want morphs then your in need of a pastel, spider, pin or mojave.

Anyone have photos of their favorite pastel based morphs?

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Originally Posted by ALTownsend1

Anyone have photos of their favorite pastel based morphs?

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Here are some in our collection
Lemon Blast
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...t/DSC_0199.jpg

Bumble Bee
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...i/DSC_0064.jpg

Super Pastel (top) Regular Pastel (bottom)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...l/DSC_0165.jpg

and just for fun a killer looking lemon Pastel
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...g/DSC_0024.jpg

That Bumblebee is AMAZING!!!!!

WOW That is a nice bee. Nice really high white sides and nice yellow.

This is my Bee Winston

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ew_resized.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...front_view.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...top_view_2.jpg

Another awesome bee...maybe I know what direction I should go in!

I consider my Pastel to have great color, but he is not a "jungle" or "lemon" pastel...will he still be able to produce good looking bees like the amazing one you both have?

while its true that selective breeding helps to give you nice offspring, even an "ugly duckling" looking pastel can pump out some great looking offspring as well.
good luck on what you chose and just remember, if you like what your trying to produce then it will keep you interested right through till the end. so many people start these projects and then get bored half way through loosing the passion making them feel overwhelmed.
john

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Bumble Bee
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...i/DSC_0064.jpg

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This is a simple bumble bee or bumble bee enchi? It's amazing :O

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Originally Posted by Gerry

This is a simple bumble bee or bumble bee enchi? It's amazing :O

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No Enchi in that girl. ;) Thanks she's one of my fav's

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Originally Posted by Gerry

This is a simple bumble bee or bumble bee enchi? It's amazing :O

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I love this bee! AWESOME!!!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

No Enchi in that girl. ;) Thanks she's one of my fav's

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wow...:O

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Originally Posted by Gerry

This is a simple bumble bee or bumble bee enchi? It's amazing :O

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Honestly, my favorite bee i've ever seen, and may have single-handedly told me what direction to go:salute:

I love high-white on a snake, the BL Lucy being my dream snake, high white pieds preferred, and albinos too, so seeing so much white on that bee makes me drool...

In order to produce anything even close to that, do I need to look for a very high white spider?

Freaki, that bee is outta this world! that one is one of my favorites, i hope to see some in the future.

honestly man go for super pastels! Just put your pastel with another pastel, and hopefully a couple of your little guys come out glowing! Super pastels look so amazing to me. Nice and clean looking.

:gj:

speaking of morphs on a budget, what is the going rate for albinos anyways? I really want one myself.

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Originally Posted by PurplePython

speaking of morphs on a budget, what is the going rate for albinos anyways? I really want one myself.

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Ive seen as low as 300/350 for males, 350/400 females, but who knows at a show...

I love em, and at those prices i'm super tempted...

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Originally Posted by ALTownsend1

Ive seen as low as 300/350 for males, 350/400 females, but who knows at a show...

I love em, and at those prices i'm super tempted...

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ah not bad at all. I would have figured theyd be more than that.

I am definately going to get an albino after I get another pastel. ( I already have a pastel so I want to breed it to another pastel to get supers)

But yeah an albino will be my 3rd BP I get for sure.

Speaking of expanding...anyone have any rack suggestions? Is that the best way to go once you add to the collection? Best/cheapest setups?

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Originally Posted by ALTownsend1

Speaking of expanding...anyone have any rack suggestions? Is that the best way to go once you add to the collection? Best/cheapest setups?

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build your own man. all the wood I am getting to make my own rack is only going to cost me $45. Add in money for the tubs and heat tape, and it will be only around $110-$130 all together.

I have heard great things about reptilebasics.com though if your looking for a very nice looking rack thats already put together with the heat tape installed for you.

Just trying to save as much money as possible but still provide for my snakes...I would probably rather have one with 3 or 4 big tubs, not a huge rack, or one with a lot of little ones...

IMHO, i would build one with more that 3 or 4 tubs. this hobby is addicting and before you know it you'll be building your 3rd or 4th rack...LOL. i'm looking into building my second one.

Is building definitely the way to go though?

it all depends on what you need and handy skills really, plus you can save a couple of $$. the one that i build i can fit (1) 32qt & (1) 6 qt if i want to, (2) 15qt or (3) 6qt per shelf and its 7 shelves high, so i really like that i can use what i like. also i'm planning on building another to use 41 qt for the big girl.

I honestly plan to stay with below 5 snakes, even if I wanted to I couldn't, so a three or four slot rack with larger tubs is best...

I really like what these guys have, especially the third one down (click camera for picture). They're pretty close to me and will be at the upcoming shows, so the 195 shipped is actually higher than what I would pay apparently.

http://www.dragons4you.net/Racks.html

Has anyone bought from these guys? Everything on the site seems like well built, lower priced stuff...

personally i've never heard of them, you can also check out reptile basics.

Just found a local rack on CL that has 4 41 qt tubs, 40-50 gallon heat mat, and a thermostat all for 60 obo...

That would be even cheaper than building one myself...

Good deal?

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anyone...

Maybe a reply from me means little, but... I'd say good deal. If it has the heaters/flex watt or something, it's got to be a decent deal.

i would say go for local or build your own, just because those metal fancy whellie rachs are like two grand ;)

If you still are looking for morph advise, I believe a bee or a fire, Fires to pastels are called fireflys, and if you hatch a male fire, breed it back to the female and you'll probably get some black eyed lucy's .


( in my opinion, fireflys look better than sup. pastels, but whatever)


I think that if you want a variety, get a bee, there'll be soo many morphs, spider, pastel, normal, super pastel, killer bee's, bumble bee's. and if you ever get a male morph sometime down the road, like a lesser , you can breed that to your bee and get lesser bee's.

go with whatever is in your pricerange and what looks the best.