breeding a female with more than one male

i've got a female who has locked up with 2 different males this season. i just assumed that the whole clutch would be fathered by one snake, whichever "got lucky" and impregnated her.

is this correct?

its possible that both males did the deed as females retain sperm for a while.

you can end up with babies from each male

What morphs were the males? That would be cool!

is this very common? i don't know why it didn't occur to me that a clutch could have multiple sires.

this year our first ball breeding is with a female albino. she is about 3 years old and hit the 1600gm mark last december or so. back on december 31st, our virgin spider male of 800g bred with her, but nothing ever came of it.

we paired them a couple more times, but he wasn't aggressive enough in trying to lock with her, and since she's a first-timer too, there weren't any more locks. about a month ago i paired her with our male proven-breeder pastel, and they've locked up 3 or 4 times.

i noticed that our male spider shed, so i tossed him in with the albino female, and lo and behold they locked up again, and stayed that way for at least 2 whole nights. he's having 3 or 4 days off right now, and after that we will put them back together.

it would be very cool if we got snakes from both males, but i'm not counting on it.

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Originally Posted by seeya205

What morphs were the males? That would be cool!

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the males were Pastel, and Spider. PICS HERE

I bred pied, lesser, bumble bee and pewter males to a pied female. At least three of the males fathered this clutch...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...lutch20092.jpg

Wow.. What Im wondering is this. You got 2 normals out of that clutch. The only single co-dom male was the lesser. The pied being a visual to a visual mother shouldnt produce any normals. SO would those 2 have come from the lesser? The others being double co doms should also not have produced normals. So would that mean those 2 must have come from the lesser father and that they are also possible het for pied?
No wait Im wrong. They would be het for pied.
What great odds on that clutch!

Heres hoping the OP gets babies from both fathers as well.

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Originally Posted by katia

is this very common? i don't know why it didn't occur to me that a clutch could have multiple sires.

this year our first ball breeding is with a female albino. she is about 3 years old and hit the 1600gm mark last december or so. back on december 31st, our virgin spider male of 800g bred with her, but nothing ever came of it.

we paired them a couple more times, but he wasn't aggressive enough in trying to lock with her, and since she's a first-timer too, there weren't any more locks. about a month ago i paired her with our male proven-breeder pastel, and they've locked up 3 or 4 times.

i noticed that our male spider shed, so i tossed him in with the albino female, and lo and behold they locked up again, and stayed that way for at least 2 whole nights. he's having 3 or 4 days off right now, and after that we will put them back together.

it would be very cool if we got snakes from both males, but i'm not counting on it.

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Well since the female is Albino, all of the hatchligns will be at least het Albino. So that'll be a cool clutch! Possibly Spider het Albinos, Pastel het Albinos, and Normal het Albinos. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Foschi Exotic Serpents

Wow.. What Im wondering is this. You got 2 normals out of that clutch. The only single co-dom male was the lesser. The pied being a visual to a visual mother shouldnt produce any normals. SO would those 2 have come from the lesser? The others being double co doms should also not have produced normals. So would that mean those 2 must have come from the lesser father and that they are also possible het for pied?
No wait Im wrong. They would be het for pied.
What great odds on that clutch!

Heres hoping the OP gets babies from both fathers as well.

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Both the Pewter (Pastel Cinnamon) and the Bee (Pastel Spider) could have produced a normal as well. So the normals (het Pied) could be from the Lesser, Bee, or Pewter. Also, the Pastel (Het Pied) could be from the Bee or the Pewter male.

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Originally Posted by David Green

I bred pied, lesser, bumble bee and pewter males to a pied female. At least three of the males fathered this clutch...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...lutch20092.jpg

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Sounds like an episode of "Ball Pythons Gone Wild"!
I love it , great clutch!

It does happen from time to time. :gj:

I did a lot of mult. male breeding in 08 and got 5 split clutches. The standout was a Bumble Bee/Pewter x Pastel breeding that produced:

1.0 Normal
1.2 Bees
1.0 Super Pastel
and a Killer Bee and Sterling -- BOTH MALES!!! Never could figure the odds on the 2 boys. :D

Wow, that's an awesome clutch David!! :gj: I'm currently doing a game of "who's the daddy," since I only have 2 breeding-sized females right now, and at least 3 boys who are ready. So far I've only witnessed locks with the pastel, but hoping the spider and/or mojave got the job done too... it will be fun to see what you and I end up with! :)

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Originally Posted by David Green

I bred pied, lesser, bumble bee and pewter males to a pied female. At least three of the males fathered this clutch...

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...lutch20092.jpg

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that is an amazing clutch!!!

My question is.. when you go to sell the normals do you call them 'possible het. Pieds' or what?

I think that could get a bit messy when you throw recessives in.. with keeping track of the babies and going to sell them.

Waiit, I just realized the mother was Pied and not Het. Pied, so that would make all the normals Het. Pied anyway no matter who the father was.
Nevermind on that.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

My question is.. when you go to sell the normals do you call them 'possible het. Pieds' or what?

I think that could get a bit messy when you throw recessives in.. with keeping track of the babies and going to sell them.

Waiit, I just realized the mother was Pied and not Het. Pied, so that would make all the normals Het. Pied anyway no matter who the father was.
Nevermind on that.

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Yes your correct if the female is recessive all offspring will be 100% het for that gene.

But when the male is the recessive and you toss in dominants the normal babies are pos hets as well you dont know who fathered the normals and so on.

AHHHHHHHH! brain explode! i never thought about that...

so either way, if i do get a spider and a pastel, we'll know that there were 2 separate fathers. ALL babies, spider, pastel, and normal, will be het albino, 100%. will the normals be 50% het spider & pastel as well?

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Originally Posted by katia

AHHHHHHHH! brain explode! i never thought about that...

so either way, if i do get a spider and a pastel, we'll know that there were 2 separate fathers. ALL babies, spider, pastel, and normal, will be het albino, 100%. will the normals be 50% het spider & pastel as well?

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No such thing as het spider or het pastel as thier dominant, co-dom.

oh MYLANTA! practically as soon as i posted that, i was like DUUUUUUH! those are co's and doms!

not to mention, it would be impossible for the babies to take on the genes of mom, and BOTH dads, hahaha. it's late for me...past my brain's bedtime...

they can have babies from each of the fathers.....

is it at all detrimental to the females health to be bred with more than one male? if not, why isn't it done more often?

and if it IS done often, i guess i just haven't heard much about it :P

well, merangue has had 5-6 hookups so far (can't remember and don't feel like getting my book).

and i'm not sure if she's actually developing eggs or not! she feels quite hard these days though. not squishy AT ALL and everytime i try to get her to drape down and relax she REFUSES. i can't feel anything through her belly either because she seems so tense and hard. i wonder if this is a sign that she may have some buns in the oven?