Opinions Please on this guy. * Photo Heavy *

I Have a rough idea what he could be and what he could produce but I would like other peoples opinions on him I am currently test breeding him to a couple of females one with the same head marking but different pattern I will also be breeding offspring back in the future.

Photographs, ( Unfortunately the photo's don't grab his true colour )

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http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/a...oyals/Male.jpg
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/a...yals/male1.jpg
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/a...yals/male2.jpg
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/a...yals/male3.jpg

He is ugly...but I'll take him off your hands for you.;)

I think I may have posted this in the wrong section originally so if a mod could merge my threads it would be greatly appreciated.

Anyhow here is the original thread.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=115615

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

He is ugly...but I'll take him off your hands for you.;)

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Aww why would you hurt his feelings and say he's ugly good job he doesn't know how to read yet lol :)

What are your thoughts on him apart from that he's ugly ?

So what is it you think this snake is?

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

so what is it you think this snake is?

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Well I have no idea what he is...Maybe a dinker, I bet it's genetic though and he could pass on the same looks to his offspring. I really love the odd color/patterned normals etc. All kinds of possibilities with him i think.:gj:

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Originally Posted by tattlife2001

So what is it you think this snake is?

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

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I have been told by a breeder in the states that he has Labyrinth Jungle markers and he could go on to produce more Labyrinth Jungle's ( Which is why I am test breeding him at the moment )

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Originally Posted by Oroborous

Well I have no idea what he is...Maybe a dinker, I bet it's genetic though and he could pass on the same looks to his offspring. I really love the odd color/patterned normals etc. All kinds of possibilities with him i think.:gj:

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He is most certainly something worth dinkering :) I am hoping that it is genetic and proves out to be the Labyrinth Jungle, Next year I will be putting him to a Pastel to see what effect that has on the offspring also will be putting him to a couple of other morphs.

Also does anyone else have any idea's on what other morphs I could put with him ?

No more responses have I got people stumped?

Would love any input.

Without better pics, it's tough to say, but, he looks like a very pretty normal to me.

A jungle patterned normal maybe, and if it is genetic only you can deem it a worthwhile project.

If it was a female I'd certainly breed it :P

Well the Labryinth/Maze/Harlequinn have not proven genetic as far as I know. So good luck, but I would pair with a color morph not a pattern morph to help see if it is genetic.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Without better pics, it's tough to say, but, he looks like a very pretty normal to me.

A jungle patterned normal maybe, and if it is genetic only you can deem it a worthwhile project.

If it was a female I'd certainly breed it :P

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Any tips on how to get better photographs ? Would natural light be worthwhile?

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Well the Labryinth/Maze/Harlequinn have not proven genetic as far as I know. So good luck, but I would pair with a color morph not a pattern morph to help see if it is genetic.

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I have put him to two female normals and looking for a yellow belly female and what ever else I can find to put to him fingers crossed he proves out, I think Ralph Davis has proven his labbys out though.

Looks like a very nice Normal to me.

*Very few Hets have reliable markers that can be identified consistently. If he was sold to you as a het Labby then breed him as one to another het or visual. That should prove it out.

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Originally Posted by broadude

Looks like a very nice Normal to me.

*Very few Hets have reliable markers that can be identified consistently. If he was sold to you as a het Labby then breed him as one to another het or visual. That should prove it out.

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He wasn't sold to me as a Labby he was classed as a Velvet but after doing some research and contacting a few breeders it showed to be a labby with the same markings etc.

But because I haven't seen another labby in the flesh I am asking for others opinions :)

Cool bald spot...

looks normal. just because the babies look like the parents, it doesnt make the parents genetic morphs. all offspring carry traits from the parents. its just the way of life.

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Originally Posted by Spread Love Ders

looks normal. just because the babies look like the parents, it doesnt make the parents genetic morphs. all offspring carry traits from the parents. its just the way of life.

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Hmm,

And could you warrent your response ? Royals vary in pattern from one baby to the other even morphs even proven genetic morphs vary in pattern take a look at the high white pied and the low white pied exactly the same genetics but two completely different looking snakes. If a snake takes on the same pattern as the parent then you can usually bet money that it is genetic as hatchlings take 50% from Mum and 50% from Dad it just depends which percentage is shown visually in the snake.

Its the way of life, Would you like to tell Ralph Davis that he's Labyrinth Jungles aren't Labyrinth Jungles and they are just normals because they look like the parents. What people mean by the labyrinth hasn't been proven out yet is that they are still under going test breedings which is what I am doing with my lad and considering I have had multiple confirmations that he has a high chance of being a Labby says it all.

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Originally Posted by Tempestas

Any tips on how to get better photographs ? Would natural light be worthwhile?

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Further away shots would help, being up close it's difficult to see the whole pattern.
But, the pics from RDR's site look nothing like this snake from what I can tell.

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Originally Posted by snakesRkewl

Further away shots would help, being up close it's difficult to see the whole pattern.
But, the pics from RDR's site look nothing like this snake from what I can tell.

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I'd have to 2nd that. It looks nothing like the Labs RDR has shown on his site. Nor any others. It was also proved out in 2006.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

I'd have to 2nd that. It looks nothing like the Labs RDR has shown on his site. Nor any others. It was also proved out in 2006.

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I will get better photographs as soon as I can also by the way it was RDR who confirmed it for me.