Ball pythons fade away ?

Right im new so please be gentle but i worried that ball pythons will be the new craze and that maybe other species will take over ball pythons.

Corn snakes used to be big and lots of people had then BUT then now not many are breeding and buying corns ??

Maybe ball pythons will become like that ?

With the prices dropping all the time will there be a point where normal males ( maybe females ) are not valuable.

Or just wont sell.


what do you think ? this is not to start an argument just a friendly discussion :cool:

No you still see tons of people breeding and buying corns or just plain colubrids for that matter. Its all objective as to where your looking. The expos out here are all a decent mix but the san diego show tends to have more boas, anaheim more balls, pomona more of an even mix. I don't think that balls will be going anywhere anytime soon. :gj:

I'm not a breeder, so my livelihood doesn't depend on it, so I guess for the most part I don't really care (not being rude, just stating my opinion).

I like BP's, and all I have is a normal -- would like something else, but didn't have the money for a more expensive one at the time, and I only really have room for one -- I don't want to get rid of him to get a "fancy" one, because he has been darn near perfect -- ie shedding, eating, etc.

Anyway, it doesn't matter to me if thousands keep them, or 10 people. I am happy with him as a pet, and it doesn't really matter to me if it is "cool" or "trendy" to keep them.

Later,

George

I plan on breeding about 50 adults. now thats no alot and its going to take me a while to build that but its my goal.

Id like to sell the babies for around the prices i paid for them. i dont want to breed and then sell for nothing as whatever i make will be going into racks and more ball pythons

i will never take money put of what i make for eny other reason. its a hobby that i plan in keeping

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

No you still see tons of people breeding and buying corns or just plain colubrids for that matter. Its all objective as to where your looking. The expos out here are all a decent mix but the san diego show tends to have more boas, anaheim more balls, pomona more of an even mix. I don't think that balls will be going anywhere anytime soon. :gj:

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glad to hear that. dont want balls to go enywhere lol

love the morphs and the fact that 1,000s of people keep them. and i can talk to them about the snakes.

its all good

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Originally Posted by PYTH0N BOY

I plan on breeding about 50 adults. now thats no alot and its going to take me a while to build that but its my goal.

Id like to sell the babies for around the prices i paid for them. i dont want to breed and then sell for nothing as whatever i make will be going into racks and more ball pythons

i will never take money put of what i make for eny other reason. its a hobby that i plan in keeping

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Don't expect to sell them for what you paid for them, unless you're talking pastels at today's prices - they've probably dropped as low as they will. Other morphs are still dropping in price, unfortunately.

the number is way over the thousands

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Don't expect to sell them for what you paid for them, unless you're talking pastels at today's prices - they've probably dropped as low as they will. Other morphs are still dropping in price, unfortunately.

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If the big breeders see no money in ball pythons then there going to stop breeding and move to another species. so along as there money in the for the big breeders then were safe.

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Originally Posted by PYTH0N BOY

If the big breeders see no money in ball pythons then there going to stop breeding and move to another species. so along as there money in the for the big breeders then were safe.

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The big breeders also have the higher end morphs, that are still selling in the thousands.

I see you're in the UK, so your market is still a little different than ours. Here in the States, a normal male sells at shows for $20, females about $30 (babies). These are CBB babies, CH may sell for even less.

Not a single one of the morphs that I have in my collection (lemon pastel, lesser platinum, yellow belly, cinnamon, black pastel, spider, enchi, pinstripe, mojave, albino, het pied, het clown, het hypo) will sell for what I paid for them. I paid almost $1000 for my lemon pastel male in 2006, and that was a deal! Breeders here paid close to $20K for spiders, and are still breeding and selling them today.

Breeders adapt, breeders adjust. Breeders start making new combos that no one else has - that's why they stay in the business.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

The big breeders also have the higher end morphs, that are still selling in the thousands.

I see you're in the UK, so your market is still a little different than ours. Here in the States, a normal male sells at shows for $20, females about $30 (babies). These are CBB babies, CH may sell for even less.

Not a single one of the morphs that I have in my collection (lemon pastel, lesser platinum, yellow belly, cinnamon, black pastel, spider, enchi, pinstripe, mojave, albino, het pied, het clown, het hypo) will sell for what I paid for them. I paid almost $1000 for my lemon pastel male in 2006, and that was a deal! Breeders here paid close to $20K for spiders, and are still breeding and selling them today.

Breeders adapt, breeders adjust. Breeders start making new combos that no one else has - that's why they stay in the business.

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yeah normals sell for maybe just under twice as much as yours do in the US. Aslong as theres still a market for them im happy.

Yep new morphs comeing out all the time and high end morphs too. Glad to know the bp hoby aint going enywhere :D

Ball pythons have been popular for decades so I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon! New people are joining the hobby everyday!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

ball pythons have been popular for decades so i don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon! New people are joining the hobby everyday!

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Dont expect to sell them for what you paid. The prices are constantly going down, and new morphs are appearing all the time.

Ball pythons arent going away

There are reason I think you'll see ball pythons hang around.

1: They are a snake when they are babys. What I mean by that is even as babys they look like a snake. Many corn, king ect as babys look like great colored worms. They don't get that "Snake" feel to them till they get bigger.

2: Size.. Even the biggest Ball pythons isn't to big even for a child to handle. So they stsy in that great Pet snake size. they are easy to house and care for compaire to Cham's, frogs, or even some geckos.

3: Mutations I like Corns and kings but lets face it when it comes to the out ragous morphs ball pythons have everything else beat hands down. I mean there are Corn morphs that have to be explained cause they look so much like each other but With ball pythons there's no way a pied can be mistaen for a Spider or a Bee Mistaken for a Lesser ect ect ect.

3: Clutch size, Compaired to corn and Kings and the like the number of eggs females lay is small. other than geckos and such Ball's lay some of the smallest clutches in the reptile world. I think even turtles have them beat.

4: Combos, I have yet to see any other Morphed reptiled other than Leopard geckos that Combos are such a hot ticket. When we start seeing 5-6 even 7 gene animals going to 200.00 then its time to worry.

So with the low numbers each animal lays, the fact that the mutations are so vastly different (for the most part)

Ball Pythons still have decades of potentional to offer the hobbiest keeper/breeder and the professional breeder.

Gone are the day of 30K animals sold to the select few but in it's place is the era of selective breeding, and careful project planning to see the hobby continue to grow as I know it will.

I would love to find an albino for the price I paid for my spider...LOL:banana::banana::banana:

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Originally Posted by PYTH0N BOY

I plan on breeding about 50 adults. now thats no alot and its going to take me a while to build that but its my goal.

Id like to sell the babies for around the prices i paid for them. i dont want to breed and then sell for nothing as whatever i make will be going into racks and more ball pythons

i will never take money put of what i make for eny other reason. its a hobby that i plan in keeping

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I would say that 50 adults is pretty standard if you are thinking about becoming a full time breeder and having a storefront and all. My distributor has that many in his house and hes a breeder/owner/and storefront owner.

I would say good luck with selling the babies for the prices you paid for them. No disrespect, but the prices are dropping, not going higher. I bought my female pastel for $425 2 years ago and now you can get one for $200-250. Because your starting out you have to see that by the time your female (if shes a morph) gets to be of breeding age, the price to breed her get babies will be lower than what you paid for her. Unless your trying to come out with some special never done morph, your going to be selling them for less.

Thats why you should never enter into this hobby thinking that your going to become rich or make a profit. Housing 50 snakes is going to get very expensive in food, heating (your electric will go up), and if any of them get sick than your making a hefty trip to the vet.

Thats why I'm keeping my collection small. I wrote out the morphs I want and what I want to breed. Everyone on here is wanting to produce BELs. They are beautiful, but think about it, if it becomes a common project the price is going to be dropping on them. Do this hobby because you like it not because your expecting to get paid.