new sav

about 3 months old not sure if he's male or female . more pics to follow

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beautiful i just sold mine about a month back to make more room for more ball pythons. Heres a picture of him and my old blackthroat.
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i had to get rid of my snakes the wife is big time scared of them , so i figured i'd us the room for lizards . and what better then some of the monitor family . think a tegu might be next

BallsUnlimited- you sold a monitor to get more balls? I've got some balls but monitors are ten times cooler IMO.

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BallsUnlimited- you sold a monitor to get more balls? I've got some balls but monitors are ten times cooler IMO.

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i sold off all my monitors to get more ball pythons yes. I loved the monitors but the ball pythons truly are:gj: my favorite of the reptiles

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i sold off all my monitors to get more ball pythons yes. I loved the monitors but the ball pythons truly are:gj: my favorite of the reptiles

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To each his own, eh? :gj:

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i sold off all my monitors to get more ball pythons yes. I loved the monitors but the ball pythons truly are:gj: my favorite of the reptiles

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Apparently the albigularis is also gone?

It's always sad when people just ditch out on animals they simply get bored of, to trade them out for the next fad animal du jour.

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To each his own, eh? :gj:

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Apparently the albigularis is also gone?

It's always sad when people just ditch out on animals they simply get bored of, to trade them out for the next fad animal du jour.

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the balls werent a new fad ive been keeping them for 10 years. the monitors were great and all went to great homes. :gj:

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ive been keeping them for 10 years

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Riiiiight.

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WOW! Whats your problem

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WOW! Whats your problem

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The ease with which people throw away animals they don't like anymore.

Also, I checked the commenter's age.

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The ease with which people throw away animals they don't like anymore.

Also, I checked the commenter's age.

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so its physically impossible for him to of owned sav's at the age of 13?

i can't believe all this trouble just because i posted a pic of my new sav . i think we got a little off topic here , play nice everybody .

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The ease with which people throw away animals they don't like anymore.

Also, I checked the commenter's age.

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you dont know a single thing about me. just remember that. I started off owning ball pythons at the age of 13. im almost 24 years old. now how long does that work out to owning ball pythons???oo thats right 10 years. thank you come again. U can think what ever you would like i could careless. I know where my animals are what the condition they are in and my monitors werent thrown away. I moved into a different direction and they needed to go. simple as that. you dont like it to bad.

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so its physically impossible for him to of owned sav's at the age of 13?

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never did i say i owned monitors for 10 years i said ball pythons. apparently its impossible to start owning ball pythons at the age of 13 and continue to own them as well as other reptiles for 10 years. but what do i know i just get bored of my animals and throw them away LMAOOOOOOOO

would you like to call my 6th grade school teacher mrs grogan and ask her if we had my ball python as a class pet all year???the name of the skool is william L buck in valley stream new york. would you like to call my mother and ask how long ive been keeping them??or would the pain of being proved wrong be too much for you????

To say that he is just throwing away his animals is extremely disrespectful and just out of line. And what about keeping herps since he was 13 is impossible? I just started last year at the age of sixteen and my brother started at the age of 12. Who made you the expert on all of this? His ten years of experience is most likely unparralled to whatever you have. And even if you have had herps longer, your ignorance and disrespectful nature has diminished any respect and credit that I and most likely other could of had.

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To say that he is just throwing away his animals is extremely disrespectful and just out of line. And what about keeping herps since he was 13 is impossible? I just started last year at the age of sixteen and my brother started at the age of 12. Who made you the expert on all of this? His ten years of experience is most likely unparralled to whatever you have. And even if you have had herps longer, your ignorance and disrespectful nature has diminished any respect and credit that I and most likely other could of had.

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thank you. im not saying i am the most knowledgeable person in the world on ball pythons or reptiles for that matter so i dont want to give off that impression. I learn stuff everyday from reading and doing research as well from keeping them for 10 years. Yes i have less experience with monitors than the balls yes. To say i just dumped the monitors for balls is crazy. They both took months to find the right homes. I didnt just dump them on any1. And to say i havent been keeping ball pythons for 10 years due to looking at my age i put on a forum is redic. I started off very young with reptiles garter snakes and corns from the local area and got my first ball the beginning of 6th grade from the Long Island Reptile Museum. Have not stopped owning them since. So he can call b.s all he wants. what ever makes him sleep better at night.

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Wow, this thread is getting heated up for the wrong reasons.

Kind of like why we don't marry the first person we date or keep the first job we have, everything in life is an experience. Some work out the way we plan and others don't. I think the main thing to keep in mind when deciding to rehome any animal is it's well being. There are good homes out there and I feel it's the owners responsibility to find them.

In this age of not keeping a spouse, house, job, car or whatever for more that a few years, you can't attack someone because they tried. There are just too many factors involved.

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beautiful i just sold mine about a month back to make more room for more ball pythons. Heres a picture of him and my old blackthroat.

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I moved into a different direction and they needed to go. simple as that.

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I believe you said you dumped the monitors for balls. Check your own quotes above.

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Kind of like why we don't marry the first person we date or keep the first job we have, everything in life is an experience.

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I'm glad to see that breaking a commitment to care for an animal is being excused as a "life experience".

Maybe I should adopt out my first child. After all, I wanted a girl instead and would like to move in that direction instead of raising a boy. After all, we don't keep the firsts of things, and everything in life is simply an experience.

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I believe you said you dumped the monitors for balls. Check your own quotes above.



I'm glad to see that breaking a commitment to care for an animal is being excused as a "life experience".

Maybe I should adopt out my first child. After all, I wanted a girl instead and would like to move in that direction instead of raising a boy. After all, we don't keep the firsts of things, and everything in life is simply an experience.

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dumped no. looked for the perfect homes for them for months yes. mayb i should have been a little more clear. I would have never got rid of them if i felt there lives were in danger or they werent going to get the proper care. so yes they were re homed to make room for more ball pythons since i went full tilt with them. I would have loved to keep them but you know the space they take up full grown and i dont have room for two huge cages in the reptile room. If i did i would not have gotten rid of them. sorry you took offense to me getting rid of two of my monitors. Had i known u would have gotten so pissed i woulda gave them to you lol.

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sorry you took offense to me getting rid of two of my monitors. Had i known u would have gotten so pissed i woulda gave them to you lol.

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I'm not the slightest bit "pissed", I was simply pointing out that it's bad behavior to rehome animals simply because interest is lost.

just reading over this whole thread I realized your an idiot and this guy doesnt owe you anything. You are the reason why some people wont post threads here or why some people have left this website and other forums. STUPID comments. Ballsunlimited you dont owe this Clown squat and its pointless to go back and forth with him.

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He doesn't owe me a thing. He owes his monitors, and hopefully any future animals he keeps.

so your gonna tell me that every reptile or animal you've owned youve kept for its entire life???Never gave anything away or sold anything to go in a different direction? :gj:

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so your gonna tell me that every reptile or animal you've owned youve kept for its entire life???Never gave anything away or sold anything to go in a different direction? :gj:

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So far, yes. I'm actually in my office at the moment, reading email while feeding some dubia nymphs to my first leopard gecko I bought roughly fifteen years ago.

like a previously stated an IDIOT if you keep going he will keep going. He is a tool just let it go

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like a previously stated an IDIOT if you keep going he will keep going. He is a tool just let it go

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Yes, you're correct, I'm an idiot and a tool to suggest that people keep their commitments to the animals whose care they take on.

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So far, yes. I'm actually in my office at the moment, reading email while feeding some dubia nymphs to my first leopard gecko I bought roughly fifteen years ago.

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well than that is awesome. And i see why you would feel that way. :gj:

What you have said allergenic is seriously disrepsectful and rediculous. He rehomed some of his monitors to make room for more balls and give himself an easier time taking care of those ball pythons. There is nothing wrong with this. Its better than him losing interest and having them suffer if he started to neglect them, which i doubt he ever would in the first place.

To be frank, you are completely out of line and nothing you have said has in reality, positively affected this thread. I love my pets as family members but ive still had to rehome them because i could not devote the attention that they needed. I made sure they went to experienced owners and i knew they would be taken care of. Its more of a nobel thing to rehome the animals you have lost interest in, your not in denial and neglecting the animals.

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I love my pets as family members but ive still had to rehome them because i could not devote the attention that they needed. Its more of a nobel thing to rehome the animals you have lost interest in, your not in denial and neglecting the animals.

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No, you're totally right, it's a great thing to make a commitment to care for another living being, get bored of it, and pass it off to someone else like a pack of baseball cards. That's extremely noble. Personally, that's what I do with everything I love as a family member.

Nice sav, hope to see more pics in the future!

It's too bad this thread has gone to crap because of a troll.

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You can feel free to keep insulting me, my viewpoint still stands that it's not okay to cast off animals simply because one's interests change. Perhaps one should think a little harder before taking on the care of an animal?

Am I the only one who doesn't think that's such an outlandish concept? Make a commitment to an animal's care, and keep it?

S/He's a beautiful little guy, I'd love to have one of these "little" guys in the future :D

Also, seriously? I hate to continue this, but the first reptile I had was a Garter Snake I caught when I was five; now I'm nineteen, and reptiles and amphibians are something I still love. Age has nothing to do with responsibility. And there have been times (e.g., four years ago when my dad lost his job for a short time, my mother was sick, and a family member had cancer) that I have not felt financially able enough to take care of animals that depend on me, so yes, they went to loving homes, and it was incredibly hard to do. I now have a job and feel able to again care for my animals with the respect and care they deserve, but if ever again in my life I feel that I am in no way able to care for them, I'd much rather they go to someone whom I know can give them the love they deserve. So get off that high and mighty horse you're riding around, allergenic, and try not to judge us all mere mortals too harshly. ;)

thank's for the compliments on my sav . with all this stuff that is going on i don't know if i dare post more pics ..lol . this forum needs a rant and rowr thread so a person doesn't have 4 pages of moaning and only a couple of comments on the actual thread

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thank's for the compliments on my sav . with all this stuff that is going on i don't know if i dare post more pics ..lol . this forum needs a rant and rowr thread so a person doesn't have 4 pages of moaning and only a couple of comments on the actual thread

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hahaha, agreed. every one is going to have problems with everyone else's techniques, husbandry, life, whatever, but there's no need to argue when there's a beautiful little sav to be admired! :D

your sav is beautiful btw. And yes i do miss mine. Was dog tame and he was a great animal. :gj: sorry for jacking your thread. best of luck with him\her

ya that's the bad thing about this , everybody has their own way of doing things and everybody else's way is wrong . believe me i've heard it all before . as a wise old man once said " take in all the information and use what work's for you " . whenever i've researched anything on reps on the net i have never came across 2 sites that say the same thing ..lol .

thank's balls . your's looked well taken care off also . i'm hoping my will tame down also , and as you must know with these guys it all boils down to time . once they realize you ain't going to eat them they're fine ...lol

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thank's balls . your's looked well taken care off also . i'm hoping my will tame down also , and as you must know with these guys it all boils down to time . once they realize you ain't going to eat them they're fine ...lol

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yeah mine came in with a little bit of a attitude but came around with proper handling to the point you could open his cage and he would come right up to you and climb out. He loved people and would love to walk around the room.

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Yeah, it's a shame.

On topic, for current husbandry info I'd recommend doing two things. First, give a look through:
http://savannahmonitor.org

Most of what you'll find on the Internet involves RNA (rats/newspaper/aquarium) as methods of husbandry, and that mentality is horribly outdated.

Second, a good book to pick up is:
The Truth about Varanus Exanthematicus

It's by Daniel Bennett, who has done years of field research and taken an interest in promoting proper care of Savannah Monitors in captivity.

Your monitor (from the first post) looks to be in great condition. I noticed that the photo is from classifieds.com or something to that effect, and the enclosure has metal screen sides. That will cause all the humidity to escape and ends up dehydrating the monitor. Now that you bought it, do you have the monitor in a better enclosure?

Take care and good luck.

already been there and also already looked at the book ..lol .that pic was the only one i have right now , it's from where i found him . he isn't in that enclosure , i've got him in a 36 x 18 glass and wood enclosure till i build a much larger one . 135 degree basking spot . humidity is running 50 - 75 % . i'm not new to reptiles i've got over 20 years experience keeping and working with everything from little anoles to a 17 foot burmese python .

GRIZZLY: Sounds like your temporary setup has all the requirements except for space, which you say you are working on. Good.

Allergenic: After reading through the numerous bashings you've had to endure for stating your beliefs in caring for one's animals I must apologize for most of humanity. Yes we live in a "disposable" society but you are not alone. I've dealt with people that had the thought "A vet bill for my corn is like $100. A new corn is $40. Forget the vet". It's sad but true. I on the other hand spent over $4000 at the vet for one of my tegus... I agree with your views; you are not alone. I find it's usually the older, more experienced keepers who share our views; these kids with 5 yrs. of experience think they know it all, have seen it all; just because they've owned one of everything in those five years and currently have one or two animals - probably in a tub/rack system.

To all: Allergenic was only stating his beliefs. And he was standing up for the animals. Shame on all of you.

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Allergenic: After reading through the numerous bashings you've had to endure for stating your beliefs in caring for one's animals I must apologize for most of humanity.

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Thanks Chris, good to see you on here. Looking back through the thread, I could have gone about it differently. You catch more flies with honey, etc.

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I find it's usually the older, more experienced keepers who share our views; these kids with 5 yrs. of experience think they know it all, have seen it all;

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I think you're right on that, I have 11-16 years of life on some of the commenters, and these views have been hard-won after years of seeing the horrors. My wife has played a role, she's worked as a veterinary surgical tech for almost 10 years, and after enough stories about people tossing live, unwanted iguanas and monitors in the dumpster behind her building, it tends to color one's perceptions of the mentality of the reptile trade.[/quote]

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To all: Allergenic was only stating his beliefs. And he was standing up for the animals. Shame on all of you.

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We all have unforeseen financial and life obstacles, with lost jobs and such, especially these days. It's the trading animals like baseball cards thing I think I was reacting to.

Again, sorry if my delivery was a bit rough, though part of me suspects it's an unpopular topic anyway and change in delivery would not have mattered.

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Allergenic: After reading through the numerous bashings you've had to endure for stating your beliefs in caring for one's animals I must apologize for most of humanity. Yes we live in a "disposable" society but you are not alone. I've dealt with people that had the thought "A vet bill for my corn is like $100. A new corn is $40. Forget the vet". It's sad but true. I on the other hand spent over $4000 at the vet for one of my tegus... I agree with your views; you are not alone. I find it's usually the older, more experienced keepers who share our views; these kids with 5 yrs. Of experience think they know it all, have seen it all; just because they've owned one of everything in those five years and currently have one or two animals - probably in a tub/rack system.

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If you didnt see when you read through the thread, its allergenic that made the first rude comment that implied that balls just got rid of his animals when he was bored and wanted the new fad. Dont appologize to him. Im glad you spent that much on your tegu and i would do the same. I would spend all the money I could ever scrounge up to pay bills for a sick suffering animal.

But to get to the part where the kids with 5 years experience think they know everything. HA! I am 17, and just started keeping reptiles 2 years ago. I have always been deeply interested in animals, especially reptiles and am now going to college next year to a Vet program with a scholarship in hand. I am very knowledgeable and how dare you say just because i am new to the hobby think i believe i know everything. I learn something new about some species everyday through research in books, magazines or the internet. Do not believe you are all mighty because you are older. And you think its wrong to keep a few animals in a tub/rack system? Why? I have three geckos, a BCI, a BCO, a BP in a rack while i have my SD and JCP in custom enclosure with new ones on the way for the boas. My animals are healthy and taken care of in the rack.

Just because you are older does not mean you are smarter or really in anyway above me or any younger keepers. Great on you to make that statement and put down a whole community of young keepers. Great idea and great manners.

I entered into this conversation because i believed what allergenic said was extremely disrespectful and out of line. They could have at least gone about it in a more polite way, instead of assuming balls was an irresponsible owner who believed his animals just objects.

The community of this hobby is extremely welcoming and very polite. But the remark you said was complete ignorance. You managed to put down all the young people in this community in one statement. Great job. :gj:

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Hoo boy. I remember being seventeen and thinking I had all the answers. When I hit 29 I realized that all those years, my parents had been right. I'm not looking forward to my son reaching 17, I know we're going to have to go through that all again.

I'm Nineteen. I realize that many of you have several years on me, and realize that many of you have more years of experience on me as well. However, it's absolutely wrong to assume that means I don't have experience, or don't know what I'm doing, and it is wrong to assume that about anyone else. I absolutely see your point of view about reptiles being thrown away, however the rudeness with which allergenic first commented was the cause of my entering into the argument. I volunteer at my local shelter and know as well as anyone else how carelessly animals are thrown away. I've also spent almost 600 dollars getting a bladder stone removed from a guinea pig, and would spend any amount of money on all of my animals, from my dogs to my 3 inch long Grass Snakes, if they were in need of medical care. I also don't have any of my snakes in a "tub/rack system." One of my favorite parts of owning animals is giving them large, well planted, perfect enclosures.

I realize there are irresponsible keepers out there, but please, don't judge all of us young ones on those few. We make mistakes, but if we don't start young, when will we start? And you can only help by giving your opinions with patience and kindness, not anger or sarcasm. Keeping reptiles and amphibians is subject to each individual's belief of how those animals should be kept. I respect all of your opinions, even though some may not be my own. I just believe that you should do the same.

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however the rudeness with which allergenic first commented was the cause of my entering into the argument. I volunteer at my local shelter and know as well as anyone else how carelessly animals are thrown away.

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My bedside manner might not be the best, but take your feelings for cast off animals from the shelter, add 14 years to it, and you'll see there's some snowballed passion for animals behind the initial rudeness.

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So far I didn't get the sense anyone was. I think Chris was saying that the respect toward animals viewpoint is simply more likely to evolve with age.

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"You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed."

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Also my favorite quote, from my favorite book read as a child. I got the opportunity to translate the original text in grade school. It's oddly quite fitting to this discussion.

Speaking of the OP, any updated pics of the Bosc?

Unfortunately when typing, no sense of how the words are said can be had, only the words themselves. I was merely commenting on the apparent assumption in earlier posts that younger keepers are not experienced or responsible. I am sure that with age will come only a stronger passion and commitment to the animals I keep, but I also realize that in some cases, being responsible is having to give up an animal you love so that it can be taken care of to the extent that it deserves. I'm just thankful there are people who are willing to argue so strongly about reptiles, and animals in general, after the way I've seen many treated.

Allergenic, it takes a good person to apologize, even if your posts were taken the wrong way, and yes, you do catch more flies with honey, and more willing listeners as well :)

Sorry if my post was misunderstood. I didn't say all young keepers think they know it all, but I did say that there are a lot of them that think they do. I used to be that way as well. But like it or not, actual experience is a lot more educational than reading. You can read all you like about taming a nasty retic, or anaconda, or Nile monitor, but until you have actually done it you know absolutely nothing about the subject. You might be able to go into it with a better idea of how to do it, but that's it.

Chris