spider ball

hey guys, i'm going to a reptile show this weekend in south florida and one of my favorite morphs is the spider, i think i'm going to get one, but the question is what should i look for in spider, pricing?, pics will be appreciated. thank you everyone

Pricing is going to depend on the look of the animal..Really reduced high white will get a higher price.. and visa-versa..

As far as what to look for thats going to depend on what you like in a spider..

If you go to this one meet up with T&C Reptiles and look for Brian, he's awsome.

are you going to the AP show

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Originally Posted by luna13

are you going to the AP show

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i dont know what it's called exactly, its in broward county

honestly no matter if its high white or vice verso i love all of them, so i guess the cheapest one lol

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Originally Posted by luna13

are you going to the AP show

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is it the one in broward?

I know prices vary but I picked up my female spider for $200. But I have seen them up to $450-500.

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Originally Posted by rebel750

I know prices vary but I picked up my female spider for $200. But I have seen them up to $450-500.

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well one of our ball pythons we got is a norm and we got it from this guy who said he'll sell me a male spider for 175 or a female for 275, is that good?

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Originally Posted by krazypunk1018

well one of our ball pythons we got is a norm and we got it from this guy who said he'll sell me a male spider for 175 or a female for 275, is that good?

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Depending on the quality of the spider.

usually they sell them higher if the spider is:
high white
reduced pattern
weight

it still comes down to what you think is good looking

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Originally Posted by krazypunk1018

well one of our ball pythons we got is a norm and we got it from this guy who said he'll sell me a male spider for 175 or a female for 275, is that good?

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Its not bad but it's in what youre looking for. Some people actually have a set price for a morph and dont jack up the fee for having a little more white.

Mine has white halfway up the sides and it was the same as all the other females.

BTW she is in the Picture threads if you want to see her.

I like higher white spiders myself, BUT more importantly I would make sure the neurological aspects of the gene stock is in order. You don't want to place the wobbles in any of your combos...

You can get males from $100-$200 depending where you go or who you know.Females anywhere from $200-$350

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Originally Posted by saldanasnakes

I like higher white spiders myself, BUT more importantly I would make sure the neurological aspects of the gene stock is in order. You don't want to place the wobbles in any of your combos...

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All spiders have the wobble. From as mild as a slight head tilt, to severe corkscrewing. If you see enough spiders, you'll see it in all of them - you just know how to look for them. I love all four of my spiders, all who are mild wobblers, who I'd suspect someone might swear didn't wobble if they owned them.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

All spiders have the wobble. From as mild as a slight head tilt, to severe corkscrewing. If you see enough spiders, you'll see it in all of them - you just know how to look for them. I love all four of my spiders, all who are mild wobblers, who I'd suspect someone might swear didn't wobble if they owned them.

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ok i'm confused now, so spiders have a thing where they wobble all the time? i didn't know that. why is that? and if you get one that wobbles a lot is that bad?

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ok i'm confused now, so spiders have a thing where they wobble all the time? i didn't know that. why is that? and if you get one that wobbles a lot is that bad?

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No one knows why they do it.. But I own several spiders, produced a fair few and even have spider combos..I can tell you that every spider I have ever laid eyes on at some point does some form of wobble..it may be a head tilt, or full on lose of motor control..Is it a bad thing? its a spider thing..as long as it eats, sheds, poops, and breeds its just a spider..

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ok i'm confused now, so spiders have a thing where they wobble all the time? i didn't know that. why is that? and if you get one that wobbles a lot is that bad?

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They don't wobble ALL the time, but in some it's almost like a Parkinson's type movement, sometimes barely discernable when you're handling them.

Mine eat, poop, grow and shed, and the boys breed (the girls aren't big enough yet).

It's part of what makes a spider a spider.

I have a question about the spider wobble. I read that a spider and a pastel make a bumblebee right? So would the bumblebee offspring all have that wobble as well?

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Originally Posted by Lorgakor

I have a question about the spider wobble. I read that a spider and a pastel make a bumblebee right? So would the bumblebee offspring all have that wobble as well?

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Yep..

I heard that double spider morphs like bumble bees, honey bees, spinners etc, have a less like change of wobbling/spinning. Any truth to this? I don't see why it would make a difference tho.

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Originally Posted by SixSnakes

I heard that double spider morphs like bumble bees, honey bees, spinners etc, have a less like change of wobbling/spinning. Any truth to this? I don't see why it would make a difference tho.

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Not that I've seen. I've seen bees that wobble worse than some spiders..its just from animal to animal.

Thanks for the reply. I've been thinking about getting a spider as my first ball python, but I'm really not sure after reading this.

Yea, I know what you mean! I was not aware of the wobble/spin issue when I first discovered the spider morph.

If you are curious, you can look up some bad cases on youtube.com! I have steered clear of the spider morph after I got an earfull from a local breeder about them. I haven't owned one, or even seen the wobble in person, but I think I would worry constantly over my snake even knowing that this is normal! You can look into a pinstripe though! They are just barely more expensive in most cases and very pretty!

Yes I was thinking about a pinstripe instead. I will check Youtube, thanks!

Wow, those videos are almost hard to watch. I definitely don't want one now. I couldn't picture it in my head before I saw the videos. I'm sure it is barely noticible on most, but you would never know right?

You guys are making a big deal out of the spider... why? they move weird sometimes so what? guess what all your morphs look weird. Its different yes, so are all your morphs. It doesn't prevent it from eating or anything deal with living a healthy life in captivity. whats the fuss about? what are you worrying about? Since the spider morph came out 10 years ago, there hasn't been one (atleast public) case of a spider not being able to live a healthy life due to the "wobble"

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

You guys are making a big deal out of the spider... why? they move weird sometimes so what? guess what all your morphs look weird. Its different yes, so are all your morphs. It doesn't prevent it from eating or anything deal with living a healthy life in captivity. whats the fuss about? what are you worrying about? Since the spider morph came out 10 years ago, there hasn't been one (atleast public) case of a spider not being able to live a healthy life due to the "wobble"

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Honestly, I was sooo not aware of this issue at first, and yeah, it IS rather alarming if you don't know about it.

I am not saying to not get a spider, or that there is anything wrong with them. As for being different, "just like all morphs", you can't really compare the two. The spider wobble is way different then a color or pattern morph.

The person who posted this thread was unaware of this issue. What if they got their spider home and started to freak out because it was acting weird? Honestly, I would feed duped if I hadn't known ahead of time. Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Lorgakor

Wow, those videos are almost hard to watch. I definitely don't want one now. I couldn't picture it in my head before I saw the videos. I'm sure it is barely noticible on most, but you would never know right?

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Yea - and like I said, those seem to be extreme cases. Some ppl say that their spider only wobbled as a neonate, others the opposite... But it can change from good to worse, or bad to better. And I have no idea how it effects breeding. For instance, does a low wobble spider produce low wobble offspring? Or does it matter?

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Originally Posted by SixSnakes

And I have no idea how it effects breeding. For instance, does a low wobble spider produce low wobble offspring? Or does it matter?

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nope, my spider I have NEVER seen wobble once, but I know her offspring will most likely have it. people have been trying to breed the wobble out for quite some time and so far no luck. Just like low white spiders can make high white spiders, no wobble spiders can make high wobble spiders.

and btw I do know what a wobble looks like (people like to question it), I own a jag carpet, they have the same issue and my jag does show it. Spider, not once.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Tebele

ohhhhhh!!!!!!:banana::banana::bow::bow:;):D:oops::):(:snake::snake::snake::oops: :oops::oops:!!!!!!!:carrot:! some one please provide the full location and date, i am new to ball pythons and live in the broward area ! gowing to an expo would be the coolest, please provide the info and ill see ya there!!!!!:gj:

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