Spider ? To Breed or Not to Breed?

Ok.. Todays question of the day/afternoon...

I dont know how to set up a poll for this one or else I would.

If you owned a Spider and it had a bit of a head wobble thing going on, everything else is fine... Would you breed it?

Mine is Male by the way and doesnt have one just curious..

Yep....:gj:

With out the spider gene you wouldn't get snakes like this

Mine
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Tim Baileys
Stinger Bee
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Mojave Bee
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ALLL HAIL THE ALMIGHTY SPIDER!!!

I need to get some type of spider gene in my collection.

There's no real evidence that the wobble can be bred out, or that snakes with a wobble will have all offspring that wobbles, so why not?

I would. The wobble is something you just can't get past in the spider gene.

Of-course, tons are hatched every year.

Not every snake will get the wobble. Its more common but dont mean the babies will inherit it.

It would be a waste if you didnt breed him/her

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I dont know how to set up a poll for this one or else I would.

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Done :gj:

I could not imagine not having produced those kiddos

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Spiders are my favorite. I would breed mine regardless but they dont show the head wobble. good luck

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever done any sort of testing to determine if the wobble gene is passed on to offspring, in the sense of can you breed it out etc?

Im new to snakes and genetics so Im the lonely person who voted no, because i dont like perpetuating genetic problems for looks. But again that depends on the answer to the above question.

I guess thats why I was asking as well. I'm also new to this and to thinking about breeding. I have a Spider Het Ghost and two lovely ladies Het Ghost that are HUGE ready for him. So I thought I would ask about that to see if its something that is passed down from generation to generation..

Sorta like I heard that Caramel's had Kink back issues.

Thanks, for setting up the poll, and thanks for the feed back. much appreciated.

Scuba

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Originally Posted by starrlamia

Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever done any sort of testing to determine if the wobble gene is passed on to offspring, in the sense of can you breed it out etc?

Im new to snakes and genetics so Im the lonely person who voted no, because i dont like perpetuating genetic problems for looks. But again that depends on the answer to the above question.

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Well, I also voted no and have been breeding snakes for 20 years. There are enough spiders out there and the prices are low enough that there really is no reason anymore to use a badly wobbling spider for breeding. It may very well be that you can't breed the wobble out of the line, but with so many potential breeders available to choose from, why wouldn't you at least try to use the one with the least problems?

My bee spins so much he does backflips when he strikes at his prey. All spiders wobble, the difference is to what extent?

Breed em!

My male breeder spider has never shown any signs of wobbling. He's sired two clutches and had a few babies that showed a little wobbling when feeding, but other than that no real signs. I have a two year old female from him that has shown no signs of wobbling either.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Well, I also voted no and have been breeding snakes for 20 years. There are enough spiders out there and the prices are low enough that there really is no reason anymore to use a badly wobbling spider for breeding. It may very well be that you can't breed the wobble out of the line, but with so many potential breeders available to choose from, why wouldn't you at least try to use the one with the least problems?

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I agree, although I'm not voting at all because the choice I really want isn't there. It depends on how bad the wobble is. I would not breed a badly wobbling spider; there are plenty of spiders out there, and they are pretty inexpensive at this point. Why breed a bad wobbler?

The original post does say "a bit of a wobble", so it doesn't sound too bad. Hard to say if I'd breed that specific spider, since the description of how much it wobbles is so vague.

All spiders have some what of a wobble. Although some are much slighter than others. Some spiders may just tilt there head and others may actually do somewhat of an intense dance/wobble. Like someone already said in this thread there is no real proof that the "wobble" can be bred out of that gene.
I say go right ahead and best of luck !!:taz:

Ed's too modest to post these links himself - but all spiders wobble - including all four of mine. Three of mine are full siblings to the striped girl in the first video and my fourth is a 1/2 sib to them. The "trainwreck" that he describes in one of the videos is my Tonka. Tonka no longer spins - he has a very slight head wobble, similar to a Parkinson's shake.

All of my spider's wobble display as a very slight shake or "vibrating" of the head that Ed shows in his video.

YouTube - Understanding the Spider Wobble

YouTube - Spider Wobble part II

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Not every snake will get the wobble. Its more common but dont mean the babies will inherit it.

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Originally Posted by sho220

My male breeder spider has never shown any signs of wobbling. He's sired two clutches and had a few babies that showed a little wobbling when feeding, but other than that no real signs. I have a two year old female from him that has shown no signs of wobbling either.

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If you have a spider that doesn't wobble you either:

1.) don't pay enough attention to your animal
2.) don't know what to look for.


100% of spiders wobble. Breed away. it doesn't have anything to do with their quality of life. In fact, 9 times out of 10 spiders are the best feeders.

Yep. You could breed a perfect spider (well as close to perfect as the spider gene can get) and get the worst wobbled babies, or you could breed the worst wobbled spider and get perfect spider babies. It's all luck of the draw.

Now if my spider had a really bad wobble and all his babies were coming out with bad wobble, I would rethink my breeding plans.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Ed's too modest to post these links himself - but all spiders wobble - including all four of mine. Three of mine are full siblings to the striped girl in the first video and my fourth is a 1/2 sib to them. The "trainwreck" that he describes in one of the videos is my Tonka. Tonka no longer spins - he has a very slight head wobble, similar to a Parkinson's shake.

All of my spider's wobble display as a very slight shake or "vibrating" of the head that Ed shows in his video.

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I think people are just looking too hard. I wouldn't consider that "wobbling"...it's just the quirky spider characteristics. I've seen spiders wobble, spin, flip and all that stuff and I don't consider a slight head tilt or slight shake once in a while a "wobble". I just don't think you can lump all spiders together as "wobblers"...it's all varying degrees....

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Originally Posted by sho220

I think people are just looking too hard. I wouldn't consider that "wobbling"...it's just the quirky spider characteristics. I've seen spiders wobble, spin, flip and all that stuff and I don't consider a slight head tilt or slight shake once in a while a "wobble". I just don't think you can lump all spiders together as "wobblers"...it's all varying degrees....

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I think the point is, from almost non-detectable to extreme trainwrecks, ALL spiders have a movement that is unique to spiders and not other morphs or normals. Sure, you have an occassional normal that displays a similar behavior, but it's not the norm as it is with spiders. All spiders display the "quirky" spider behavior. If you choose not to call it the spider wobble, that's your choice. :)

But that quirkiness can be passed on to offspring as a full spin, as it did with my Tonka - who outgrew it as he gained weight and got bigger. He still has uniquely spider movements when he cruises at night, when he explores the top of his enclosure and then topples over when he loses his balance. For me, it's a wobble, and it's part of being a spider. Love it or hate it, but I love spiders and I think so much has been made of the wobble, that it's become some sort of negative stigma, when it shouldn't be. Embrace the spider and his uniqueness, including his wobble.

Just like it was said above some have it worse than others. I ve never ran into a spider that doesnt have some kid of wobble. My spider has a slight wobble and will be bred to my pastel this year. Personally i say go for it. Just dont breed spider x spider lol