Attorney: PETA worker neglected snakes in his care

ARLINGTON, Texas – Attorneys for an exotic animal dealer have accused an employee of intentionally neglecting animals to further his work as an undercover investigator for an animal rights group.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091229/...c_animals_raid

That's the big US Global Exotics case.

Just goes to show you how crazy PETA really is.

make sure your spreading the word, especially to the older folks you know to let them know that PETA is evil.

Lord knows how many little ol ladies are giving them money every month.

Force hibernating iguanas and turtles? :confused:

As much as I despise P.E.T.A. the problems in this place were just not nearly enough people caring for way to many animals. I couldn't care for a few thousand snakes either.

I don't know...I would estimate it would probably take about 10 hours to care for 1000 snakes if you had to change every cage paper and refill every water bowl. With many cages not requiring any more than a quick peek to make sure all is well...I wouldn't say it's impossible for one person to do in an 8 hour work day, not at all.

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Originally Posted by singingtothewheat

As much as I despise P.E.T.A. the problems in this place were just not nearly enough people caring for way to many animals. I couldn't care for a few thousand snakes either.

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Snakes don't need to be watered every day, they don't poop or eat every day, and they definitely don't need to be cleaned up every day. I clean my snakes once a week, and feed the following day it takes me 20 minutes to clean 15 snakes which means it takes me roughly 1 minute and 15 seconds to clean 1 cage.

Let's do some math shall we?

1 Minute and 15 seconds broken into normal 1-100 numbers is roughly 1.333~, times that by let's say 1000 snakes you roughly get:

1333 Minutes, which is roughly 22.2 Hours which is only a little less than 3 days worth of work. That is IF you clean every single cage once a week, which isn't always necessary.

This doesn't take into consideration what methods they may have for cleaning or what kind of materials they used. See I use ceramique bowls, and paper towels so if the snake has made a mess it takes me a little longer to clean their bowl or to clean off a urate. But if you have 1000+ snakes this is a problem you've already resolved by either spot cleaning or rotating tubs, or maybe even both, and using disposable water bowls.

Now snakes don't need to be fed every week, feeding a snake bi-weekly is just fine, most people advocate feeding every week because a lot of people have intentions to breed which if that is the case weekly feeding is a wise decision. But when you're selling snakes, you're likely feeding them bi-weekly, which is still more than enough to grow a snake and to keep it perfectly healthy and happy.

So really keeping up with that many snakes isn't as difficult as it may sound, Barcyzk keeps up with 10x that in his facility with roughly 5-6 employees.

I am glad you brought up Brian they do alot with very limited resources.

sounds like a guy lining his pockets by getting paid by 2 different companies with conflicting interest onr he being paid to care for animals and theo ther he gettign paid to spy on the lack of (possible care of animals).. I say he could of failed at one job to make himself look better for the other group. I man heck even I could care for that many snakes by simple rotataing the snake that are fed. week one feed 1/2 of the snakes week 2 feed the other half, ( that would only take 2 days then he got the rest of the week to clean and check water bowls and clean tubs as needed. ( using a little piece of color tape to mark were he stopped for the day. ) that no brainer I bet you pieds to butters he was doing the spying part cause it made him feel big and important.

I bet BHb reptiles don't have the issues with their huge collection and taking care of them.

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

sounds like a guy lining his pockets by getting paid by 2 different companies with conflicting interest onr he being paid to care for animals and theo ther he gettign paid to spy on the lack of (possible care of animals).. I say he could of failed at one job to make himself look better for the other group. I man heck even I could care for that many snakes by simple rotataing the snake that are fed. week one feed 1/2 of the snakes week 2 feed the other half, ( that would only take 2 days then he got the rest of the week to clean and check water bowls and clean tubs as needed. ( using a little piece of color tape to mark were he stopped for the day. ) that no brainer I bet you pieds to butters he was doing the spying part cause it made him feel big and important.

I bet BHb reptiles don't have the issues with their huge collection and taking care of them.

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Yeah cause they have it down to a system. Clean tubs are ALWAYS sitting by cause someone washes them, so all they have to do is take the tub put some bedding or paper in it, water bowl, water, and your done with that tub just put the snake in and your good to go.

Me personally every time my snakes poo, i clean the tub and hide and water dish with soap and water. It takes longer, but i feel better about everything being clean. Of course i could make it easier for myself, and i will over time but for now with 5 snakes, its not too bad. Now 100+ snakes, thats a different ball game.

Yeah you cant say that guy couldnt follow a list of things to do for the animals. You dont do everyone all in the same day. You look in on each one and the ones that need cleaning get cleaned. You keep track of which days the bowls are rinsed and refilled for which snake. You have to alternate everyone or it just doesnt make sense.

If this guy was hired and given a list of jobs to do, that list could not have been more than what any one person could have done.

There is no excuse. The guy purposefully neglected the animals because he was working undercover for PETA.

This means PETA is knowingly killing more animals that would have been fine if someone else had been taking care of them. I would NEVER willingly employ someone who works for another company which is trying to put an end to having pets at all.

Shame on you PETA! Why would you do that??? That puts PETA lower than the crap coming out the behinds of all these animals put together.

They hide it well enough now, but PETA does not feel that animals that have had contact wtih humans are fit... they have been known to slaughter ex-pets that they steal. This is not a secret. They invest that money in walk in freezers and equipment to euthanize animals (healthy animals).

They are against all forms of animals having contact with humans. Anyone with a pet that supports them (90% of HollyWeird) are hyppocrits - as well as just super dim, as are they for employing the services of people like Pam Anderson, etc.

They make hyppocrisy an ugly art form.

Pam Anderson, as just one example, donated a Viper to them to auction for a fundraiser... the car had leather seats. They still took the cheque.

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Force hibernating iguanas and turtles? :confused:

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Indeed. And that was stated by an employee.... Makes me think that neither PETA nor Global are innocent in this case.

I don't like PETA or their practices but there were over 26,000 animals neglected in this case and there is no way one man could have done enough to care for them all. You also have no idea how much management pushed the employees so they may have been doing all they were allowed. It wasn't just the snakes in this man's care that were neglected.
They were breeding these animals and that is why they were trying to force hibernate them, undoubtedly these were instructions from managers to get the animals to breed.
Also this is the same company responsible for the MonkeyPox outbreak so the had problems before PETA got involved.

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Originally Posted by kazboots

I don't like PETA or their practices but there were over 26,000 animals neglected in this case and there is no way one man could have done enough to care for them all. You also have no idea how much management pushed the employees so they may have been doing all they were allowed. It wasn't just the snakes in this man's care that were neglected.
They were breeding these animals and that is why they were trying to force hibernate them, undoubtedly these were instructions from managers to get the animals to breed.
Also this is the same company responsible for the MonkeyPox outbreak so the had problems before PETA got involved.

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The monkey pox is a given.

Do you have any facts for the rest or are you just speculating?

If you have thousands of small animals like frogs or lizards or bugs it sounds like you have far more than if it were snakes or lizards. You can easily keep 10,000 spiders or frogs in a room that would not house 500 snakes.

Those guys have sucked for years but let's not add fuel to a fire until we know what's already burning.

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Originally Posted by Eventide

Indeed. And that was stated by an employee.... Makes me think that neither PETA nor Global are innocent in this case.

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Force is a bit harsh to say. In the controlled environment that we give reptiles you really have to bring them in or out of hibernation. If your corns are 86 degrees all year round nothin tells them to shutdown for winter unless you modify there habitat.

Man PETA really got some nerve. I'm surprised he complained about seeing some animals die with PETAs record.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

The monkey pox is a given.

Do you have any facts for the rest or are you just speculating?

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I know more than I am saying but because of the court case I am not sure how much of it is allowed to the general public.

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Originally Posted by kazboots

I know more than I am saying but because of the court case I am not sure how much of it is allowed to the general public.

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So, you're just speculating then.

Gotcha.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

So, you're just speculating then.

Gotcha.

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It's not speculating, I know some things because one of the rescues I am involved with may get some of the animals if the animals are awarded to the state.

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Originally Posted by kazboots

It's not speculating, I know some things because one of the rescues I am involved with may get some of the animals if the animals are awarded to the state.

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"may" "if"

Hmmmm, seems like speculation or the taking for fact the unproven.

So, you don't know anything for sure but you might know something later and you can't tell us what you don't know because it's a secret and HOW is this not speculating again?

Ever wonder how wild rumors get started?

I do know that there were more than 26,000 animals that has been released to the public, there were wallabies, Hedgehogs, Chinchillas, sloths in addition to the reptiles and they were in significant enough numbers that one person could not have cared for them all. These animals require daily care more than a tarantula or even a snake requires.
And given other things that I Know I hope that the Judge awards the animals to the state, That is what the "if" was for, there is no guarantee the state will get them.
I have been given some information from the rescue but since it is not in the news stories, I don't know if it is supposed to be released.
The news stories do not tell everything and regardless of whether I agree with the methods used to bring the case to light, there where problems there.

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Originally Posted by kazboots

I do know that there were more than 26,000 animals that has been released to the public, there were wallabies, Hedgehogs, Chinchillas, sloths in addition to the reptiles and they were in significant enough numbers that one person could not have cared for them all. These animals require daily care more than a tarantula or even a snake requires.
And given other things that I Know I hope that the Judge awards the animals to the state, That is what the "if" was for, there is no guarantee the state will get them.
The news stories do not tell everything and regardless of whether I agree with the methods used to bring the case to light, there where problems there.

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Obfuscation now.

It's cool. You're passionate. I guess.

But you don't really know much more than anyone else, no matter how you slice it IF you know more at all.

It's this type of wild rumor slinging, or fact tossing without the benefit of any actual facts if that makes it more palatable, but it's still a far cry from speaking out of direct knowledge and not speculating on what you've heard or read, that make many reptile keepers, as well as other keepers with passion but lacking in patience, appear foolhardy and ready to believe whatever they are told is fact so long as it cozies up to their emotional connection to these abused creatures.

Ya know?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Obfuscation now.

It's cool. You're passionate. I guess.

But you don't really know much more than anyone else, no matter how you slice it IF you know more at all.

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I know its hard to take someones word when they can't tell you the facts they have, so I will leave it at that.
I just don't like that people are saying that one employee could have changed the care of that many animals, granted he could have made a difference to the animals in his direct care and may have been able to do more, but there were many more animals that were not in his direct care.

No, I think the problem is that we can't be sure what condition the majority of those animals were in, but the employee who wasn't doing his job because he was too busy taking photos is one problem we can definitely point at. If he was taking care of 1000 wallabies, then he didn't have enough time to do it--if he was taking care of 1000 herps, then his claim that he couldn't do it is suspect.