Help... What is this?

So last night when I got home I was going to pair and I opened up to my spiders tub to find this weird substance. I have no idea what it is, I have had him since June and have had no problems with him what so ever. Does anyone know what this stuff could be?

Thanks!

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/DSC_7506.jpg

Yikes, i dont have a clue. I hope you get it figured out though.

Thanks Judd, I sure hope so too.. I have no idea what it could even be.

it looks like infertile eggs that have almost reabsorbed but ended up passing them out. Are you sure its a male as i seen this happen with females.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

it looks like infertile eggs that have almost reabsorbed but ended up passing them out. Are you sure its a male as i seen this happen with females.

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It's a male so I don't think that would be possible unless he was wrongly sexed.. twice. lol

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

It's a male so I don't think that would be possible unless he was wrongly sexed.. twice. lol

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It can happen. How are your sexing the snake pop or probe.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

It can happen. How are your sexing the snake pop or probe.

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He was sexed by the person I bought him off of and by other who are very good at popping. He is a proven breeder male.

Here is a photo next to a lighter for a size comparison.

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/DSC_7508.jpg

If he is truly a male then baggie it up toss in fridge and take to vet tomorrow for tests.

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I have never seen anything like that come out of a snake.
What it does remind me of is fatty tissue. Why it would come out of a snake? Does it have a smell?

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

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I have never seen anything like that come out of a snake.
What it does remind me of is fatty tissue. Why it would come out of a snake? Does it have a smell?

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No idea why it would come out of a snake, and it feels alot like fatty tissue of some sorts. its kinda squishy to the touch and it does not have any smell either.

Its happened to a friends female i know that passed same thing in the shape of soggie wet eggs. The female was never bred but passed them anyways as any female snake can pass eggs.

But if its a male i would take that substance and get it tested.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r...IMG_3857-1.jpg

thats EXACTLY what it looks like... i just confimered with the breeder who i bought him from a while back that it indeed is a HE though...

I would keep a eye on him and if he does it again take him to the vet and get tested.

The friends female did this about 4 months ago and has since never done it again. What her vet said was a form of a Snake miscarry

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

I would keep a eye on him and if he does it again take him to the vet and get tested.

The friends female did this about 4 months ago and has since never done it again. What her vet said was a form of a Snake miscarry

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Interesting, I will keep an eye on him because what you posted is exactly what it looks like. identical actually.

Like i said a vet is not needed right now if this is first time ever. If it does happen again then take him asap and get some tests done.

If you know how to pop a snake then i would advice trying to be sure it is a male.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Like i said a vet is not needed right now if this is first time ever. If it does happen again then take him asap and get some tests done.

If you know how to pop a snake then i would advice trying to be sure it is a male.

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I KINDA know how to pop a snake but my local popper is not home right now to take the snake to.

This is weird. lol

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

I KINDA know how to pop a snake but my local popper is not home right now to take the snake to.

This is weird. lol

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Sometimes people pop snakes and see scent glands and mistake them for small hemipenes- especially in baby snakes. I know I have done it a few times myself.

I have a really hard time believe the breeder in which he came from was wrongly sexed when I was told he is a proven breeder and that he's had him since he was a baby. The only way I think it could be a female is if the breeder gave me the wrong animal by mistake.

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

I have a really hard time believe the breeder in which he came from was wrongly sexed when I was told he is a proven breeder and that he's had him since he was a baby. The only way I think it could be a female is if the breeder gave me the wrong animal by mistake.

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No ones perfect. I bought a male and when i got it i received a female. It happens.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

No ones perfect. I bought a male and when i got it i received a female. It happens.

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True... I would think that after 6 months of not having the right animal the breeder would notice. lol

Anyone else have any ideas on this?

That snake is a male. I'm one of the guys that popped it.

My guess is sperm.

Check it out under a microscope and see.

If it is you owe me a big ol beer next month.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

That snake is a male. I'm one of the guys that popped it.

My guess is sperm.

Check it out under a microscope and see.

If it is you owe me a big ol beer next month.

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I don't happen to have a microscope laying around. and if that is sperm then that snake is a monster! lol

I wonder if maybe it was something the prey item ate which it didn't absorb and he could not absorb either.

A couple of questions, if you will?

1. How old/how much does the snake weigh?

2. Can you seperate each of the 4 orbs?

I know you and others have checked this snake, but I'd bet a dollar to a dounut that these are unfertillized eggs.

I can't see where these could be anything but eggs.

I have heard where females can produce fertilized eggs without the need of a male snake, where the offspring are actually clones of the female (mother), all offspring are female and have the ability to lay fertilized eggs without the use of a male snake.

But I've never heard of male snakes laying any type of eggs.

I don't know, maybe get in touch with Brian or any big time breeder and see if they can help you.

Good Luck!
Jim Smith

I may have missed this info..so..

I am assuming the snake was all alone in the tub so there is no doubt that HE produced that pile?

If so, that leads to my next question...

You said the snake is a proven breeder, did you put him with female and observe the coupling (his tail under hers and hemis inserted), or did someone simply tell you that the snake is a proven breeder?

Have you probed the snake yourself?

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

A couple of questions, if you will?

1. How old/how much does the snake weigh?

2. Can you seperate each of the 4 orbs?

I know you and others have checked this snake, but I'd bet a dollar to a dounut that these are unfertillized eggs.

I can't see where these could be anything but eggs.

I have heard where females can produce fertilized eggs without the need of a male snake, where the offspring are actually clones of the female (mother), all offspring are female and have the ability to lay fertilized eggs without the use of a male snake.

But I've never heard of male snakes laying any type of eggs.

I don't know, maybe get in touch with Brian or any big time breeder and see if they can help you.

Good Luck!
Jim Smith

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He weights 1435 grams, yes they can pull apart.

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Originally Posted by broadude

I may have missed this info..so..

I am assuming the snake was all alone in the tub so there is no doubt that HE produced that pile?

If so, that leads to my next question...

You said the snake is a proven breeder, did you put him with female and observe the coupling (his tail under hers and hemis inserted), or did someone simply tell you that the snake is a proven breeder?

Have you probed the snake yourself?

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You are correct to assume that the snake is alone in the tub. He has not locked for me, in fact shown no interest in the girl he has been paired with. The breeder I did get him from says he has used him before. No I have not probed the snake myself but then again I do not know how to probe. I have a friend who is currently out of town that can do it for me.

Have there ever been any confirmed cases of hermaphrodites in snakes? What if it is male and female and those are partially reabsorbed eggs? I'm throwing out anything I've got here. That is weird man.

id put my last dollar .... to that he is in fact a she .... and that these are unabsorbed eggs ... think about it ..you havent witnessed a lock and he/she has no interest in the female that you tried he/she with ... and in fact that if this was a male and that was seamen ... he would be all over any lady that you place in front of him ... i would def get second opinions on the sex of this snake

By any chance the famale was in the male tub? or by mistake put the male in wrong tub and it was on the famale tub?

No chance of them being mixed up, he's being bred to a normal and I'm not that stupid to mix up a spider and a normal... At least I'd like to think not lol

Some of you seem to be missing a point that has now been made several times.

The sex of the snake is not in question.

Period.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Some of you seem to be missing a point that has now been made several times.

The sex of the snake is not in question.

Period.

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well it probally should be ... cause that is def not normal for a male

could it possibly be hermaphroditic? i've never heard of a snake being both male and female before.

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

I don't happen to have a microscope laying around. and if that is sperm then that snake is a monster! lol

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ROFLOL, yeah how big is the snake? It looks like infertile eggs. Is it possible that the person you got "him" from gave you the wrong snake (this would require someone with many snakes and maybe some help that screwed up)?

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Originally Posted by deminon

could it possibly be hermaphroditic? i've never heard of a snake being both male and female before.

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It is possible to have a hermaphroditic snake. Good point.

Wes, I completly agree that the snake has been sexed and I am not doubting the sex. I just want to know all the possibilities. However the photo posted after me looks identical to what I have here that came from the spider.

Okay, so we have an issue here. The OP and others are saying the snake is a male, the people that have viewed the pictures are just as sure these are eggs. One has to be correct and the other would presumably be incorrect.

But if you had put this snake in with a female, could these eggs have been stuck to the body of the male and not been noticed when you pulled the male out of the female enclosure? Then we could say these are eggs, from a female laying in a males enclosure?

Possible?
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Okay, so we have an issue here. The OP and others are saying the snake is a male, the people that have viewed the pictures are just as sure these are eggs. One has to be correct and the other would presumably be incorrect.

But if you had put this snake in with a female, could these eggs have been stuck to the body of the male and not been noticed when you pulled the male out of the female enclosure? Then we could say these are eggs, from a female laying in a males enclosure?

Possible?
Jim Smith

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This snake has not been in with a female in about 2 weeks and she has already laid the past season. I have opened the tubs a few times for cleaning since he was taken out of the tubs and there has been no substance like I have pictured above.

Here is a photo of one of them cut open.

http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/a...y/DSC_7509.jpg

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

Wes, I completly agree that the snake has been sexed and I am not doubting the sex. I just want to know all the possibilities. However the photo posted after me looks identical to what I have here that came from the spider.

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yes and the photo posted after you was infertal eggs from a female snake ... im not saying that your snake isnt male and im not saying its a female ... how long ago was the snake sexed sometimes as babies it hard to sex them .. i went to purchase a snake from a breeder and one side was probing female and the other was probing male .. and when the snake was popped it looked female but also had similar markings to where the hemipenes belong ... needles to say i didnt buy the snake just cause of the unsureness of the sex ... but it is possible to sex a snake wrong no matter how good you are ... this guy can basically tell you the sex of your snake without probing it and 95% of the time he is right ... just saying its a possibility

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Originally Posted by cgator

yes and the photo posted after you was infertal eggs from a female snake ... im not saying that your snake isnt male and im not saying its a female ... how long ago was the snake sexed sometimes as babies it hard to sex them .. i went to purchase a snake from a breeder and one side was probing female and the other was probing male .. and when the snake was popped it looked female but also had similar markings to where the hemipenes belong ... needles to say i didnt buy the snake just cause of the unsureness of the sex ... but it is possible to sex a snake wrong no matter how good you are ... this guy can basically tell you the sex of your snake without probing it and 95% of the time he is right ... just saying its a possibility

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This snake was sexed 6 months ago when I first purchased him

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

This snake was sexed 6 months ago when I first purchased him

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Time for a re-sex PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by flameethrower

Time for a re-sex PERIOD.

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And it shall be just to triple check.

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

And it shall be just to triple check.

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Third times a charm

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Originally Posted by Lewdogg3

And it shall be just to triple check.

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take it to someone who actually knows what they are doing ...dont just have a friend do it cause it saves you $5 ... your from cali plenty of reputable breeders out there ... i believe Amir Soleymani is around your neck of the woods

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Originally Posted by cgator

take it to someone who actually knows what they are doing ...dont just have a friend do it cause it saves you $5 ... your from cali plenty of reputable breeders out there

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Everyone of my "friends" that has sexed it is a reputable breeder.

so have them tell you what this release is ... cause im clueless ... im just throwing out possibilitys to help you ... i just find it odd how its so similar to the other pic

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Originally Posted by cgator

so have them tell you what this release is ... cause im clueless ... im just throwing out possibilitys to help you ... i just find it odd how its so similar to the other pic

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I have and am waiting for a response. Thank you for your help.