Albino x pastel x spider

I have been searching and reading, but still need some clarification on this subject. Sorry if it has been up before.

What will these breeding's give?

Albino x pastel
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ says:
50%: Het Albino
50%: Pastel, Het Albino

Meaning 50% wildtype het albino and 50% pasel het albino. It just doesn't make sense to me, as pastel is co-dominant and shouldn't produce wildtype. Furthermore ain't it this way you make albino pastel, or how do you make them?

Albino x spider
50%: Het Albino
50%: Het Albino, Spider

50% wildtype and 50% spider het albino?
So if i want to make a albino spider, i breed the albino with a spider het albino or what?

Pastel x spider
25%: Normal
25%: Spider
25%: Pastel
25%: Pastel, Spider

So only 25% of the cluth will be Bumble Bee?


Hope someone can clarify this for me, as I'm a bit confused right now.

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Originally Posted by DKPythons

I have been searching and reading, but still need some clarification on this subject. Sorry if it has been up before.

What will these breeding's give?

Albino x pastel
http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/ says:
50%: Het Albino
50%: Pastel, Het Albino

Meaning 50% wildtype het albino and 50% pasel het albino. It just doesn't make sense to me, as pastel is co-dominant and shouldn't produce wildtype. Furthermore ain't it this way you make albino pastel, or how do you make them?

Albino x spider
50%: Het Albino
50%: Het Albino, Spider

50% wildtype and 50% spider het albino?
So if i want to make a albino spider, i breed the albino with a spider het albino or what?

Pastel x spider
25%: Normal
25%: Spider
25%: Pastel
25%: Pastel, Spider

So only 25% of the cluth will be Bumble Bee?


Hope someone can clarify this for me, as I'm a bit confused right now.

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You're right about the potential outcome in the pastel x spider pairing.

I would honestly recommend you to buy a 1.0 bumblebee and a 0.1 albino instead - it will save you a lot of time.

I assume that you're thinking about a pairing between an albino and spider. If that is the case then all of the offspring will be het-albino and some of them will be spider het-albino.

The same thing goes with the pastel and albino pairing.

Once you've got the offspring from those pairings then you have to raise a 1.1 spider het-albino or 1.0 spider het-albino and breed it back to the 0.1 albino (its mother). And if you're lucky then you're going to get an albino spider.

And the same thing goes with pastel and albino.

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

You're right about the potential outcome in the pastel x spider pairing.

I would honestly recommend you to buy a 1.0 bumblebee and a 0.1 albino instead - it will save you a lot of time.

I assume that you're thinking about a pairing between an albino and spider. If that is the case then all of the offspring will be het-albino and some of them will be spider het-albino.

The same thing goes with the pastel and albino pairing.

Once you've got the offspring from those pairings then you have to raise a 1.1 spider het-albino or 1.0 spider het-albino and breed it back to the 0.1 albino (its mother). And if you're lucky then you're going to get an albino spider.

And the same thing goes with pastel and albino.

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So pastel x albino will actually make wildtype het albino and pastel het albino.
Pairing pastel het albino x pastel het albino or pastel het albino x albino will then produce albino pastel right?

I have 0,1 albino, 1,0 pastel and 1,0 spider. Just wondering what to do...
When the budget allows it, I will get a 0,1 pastel and pair it with my 1,0 spider, to try produce Bumble Bee and a 1,0 albino for my female. I have just bought my current morphs, so have to feed them up first too.

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Originally Posted by DKPythons

So pastel x albino will actually make wildtype het albino and pastel het albino.
Pairing pastel het albino x pastel het albino or pastel het albino x albino will then produce albino pastel right?

I have 0,1 albino, 1,0 pastel and 1,0 spider. Just wondering what to do...
When the budget allows it, I will get a 0,1 pastel and pair it with my 1,0 spider, to try produce Bumble Bee and a 1,0 albino for my female. I have just bought my current morphs, so have to feed them up first too.

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Pastels, Albinos, Albino Pastels and Albino super pastels. If the morph gods are on your side!

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Originally Posted by DKPythons

So pastel x albino will actually make wildtype het albino and pastel het albino.
Pairing pastel het albino x pastel het albino or pastel het albino x albino will then produce albino pastel right?

I have 0,1 albino, 1,0 pastel and 1,0 spider. Just wondering what to do...
When the budget allows it, I will get a 0,1 pastel and pair it with my 1,0 spider, to try produce Bumble Bee and a 1,0 albino for my female. I have just bought my current morphs, so have to feed them up first too.

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Yes. Now you're on the right track. :)

I would honestly recommend you to save a little more up and perhaps buy a combo though. And if it's a female then you're going to have a 'powerhouse' in your collection.

Or you could focus on animals that are somewhat more 'rare' to buy in Denmark and Scandinavia. I've bought VPI axanthics for approx. the same amount of money you would use on an albino in Scandinavia. Even a 0.1 pinstripe for the same amount as a 0.1 pastel goes for in Denmark.

It's a friendly advice based on my experience as a rookie. :)

Here's another friendly advice - don't listen to what the Danish breeders says about only purchasing animals bred in Denmark. You can sometimes get the same animal for less than half-price.

Good luck with your ball pythons!

Hi,

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Originally Posted by Caz

Pastels, Albinos, Albino Pastels and Albino super pastels. If the morph gods are on your side!

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Just to add the pastels mentioned above will be 66% poss het albino I think.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Caz

Pastels, Albinos, Albino Pastels and Albino super pastels. If the morph gods are on your side!

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Crossing fingers :D

Btw... Welcome to this great web-site / Velkommen til denne skønne web-site. :)

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Yes. Now you're on the right track. :)

I would honestly recommend you to save a little more up and perhaps buy a combo though. And if it's a female then you're going to have a 'powerhouse' in your collection.

Or you could focus on animals that are somewhat more 'rare' to buy in Denmark and Scandinavia. I've bought VPI axanthics for approx. the same amount of money you would use on an albino in Scandinavia. Even a 0.1 pinstripe for the same amount as a 0.1 pastel goes for in Denmark.

It's a friendly advice based on my experience as a rookie. :)

Here's another friendly advice - don't listen to what the Danish breeders says about only purchasing animals bred in Denmark. You can sometimes get the same animal for less than half-price.

Good luck with your ball pythons!

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I know, bought my animals in Hamm for about half of Danish prices.
I bought the albino because I want to make some albinos, because I love the colors of it. Bumble Bee is another favorite of mine, so def. wanna produce it. Spider is imo also a cool looking morph and used for many other morphs, so he's good to have.

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to buy a combo, and breed it with another to make a super combo, not produced yet in Denmark. Let's see... First project is to feed up my babies.

Thanks for explaining. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Btw... Welcome to this great web-site / Velkommen til denne skønne web-site. :)

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Thanks :)

well someone correct me if im wrong, as im still new to breeding, but if both the male spider and male pastel were introduced to the female albino, isn't there a chance for a double sire'd clutch?

so that would make a chance for a bumblebee 100% het for albino, as well as spiders and pastels all 100% het for albino?

this is was i got from the breed wizard. thats if the 2 male genes can combine with eachother as well as the females gene's

MALE: Pastel Spider
FEMALE: Albino

25%: Het Albino
25%: Pastel, Het Albino
25%: Spider, Het Albino
25%: Pastel, Spider, Het Albino

What is your major goal? If you really like albinos, I would look for a 100% het albino male to breed to your female. That would give you 1/2 albinos and 1/2 100% hets. I don't know what prices are like for you but male 100% het albinos are not much more than normals in the US. By not much more I'm saying $25-$50 USD. Also males breed when they're about a 1/4 the weight of females so you could buy it the year before you're trying to breed the female. So you could spend the next year or so bargain shopping for the male, possibly a deal with a pastel female to breed with your pastel and spider the following year.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by bdevillier19

well someone correct me if im wrong, as im still new to breeding, but if both the male spider and male pastel were introduced to the female albino, isn't there a chance for a double sire'd clutch?

so that would make a chance for a bumblebee 100% het for albino, as well as spiders and pastels all 100% het for albino?

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Sadly not. :(

There can only be two parents for each egg so both the males genes cannot be present.

Only way to get a bumblebee het albino would be to use a bumblebee male and hit the odds.


dr del

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Originally Posted by Caz

Pastels, Albinos, Albino Pastels and Albino super pastels. If the morph gods are on your side!

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You can also produce Super Pastels and Normals from this breeding as well. As Derek mentioned, they would also be 66% Poss. Het. Albino.

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Originally Posted by withonor

What is your major goal? If you really like albinos, I would look for a 100% het albino male to breed to your female. That would give you 1/2 albinos and 1/2 100% hets. I don't know what prices are like for you but male 100% het albinos are not much more than normals in the US. By not much more I'm saying $25-$50 USD. Also males breed when they're about a 1/4 the weight of females so you could buy it the year before you're trying to breed the female. So you could spend the next year or so bargain shopping for the male, possibly a deal with a pastel female to breed with your pastel and spider the following year.

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One of my plans is to breed albino. Reason why i bought a female, is - as you mention, that they have to weight more than the males. I'll buy a male next year, and probably as female pastel too, so i can make bumblebee and super pastel. :)

I just wanted to know my possibilities, as a lot of new morphs has been breed, since i were in the game last time.

Think it'll be a good idea to buy "The Complete Ball Python" and study some genetics. :cool:

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Originally Posted by bdevillier19

this is was i got from the breed wizard. thats if the 2 male genes can combine with eachother as well as the females gene's

MALE: Pastel Spider
FEMALE: Albino

25%: Het Albino
25%: Pastel, Het Albino
25%: Spider, Het Albino
25%: Pastel, Spider, Het Albino

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So bumblebee het albino x bumblebee het albino will produce albino bumblebees, or just albinos and bumblebees het albino? :confused: